sk2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sun Kun Kim) (02/05/90)
Why do you corrupt the bandwidth such absurd statements? I, for one, do
have this program and I re-read my manual to see if it said the same things
you said. First of all, they are correct in saying that you do not own
the program because THEY have the copyrights... you don't. Second, the manual
says that you are not permitted to copy and you are not to distribute it.
It also says that you may load it in ANY computer as long as it is loaded
in ONE computer at a time. It does not say that you may not even lend
it to your friend or have him look at it. Lastly, the manual states
that IF you DO NOT agree with the agreement, you should promtly return
everything to Bethesda and you will get your money back.
Either you misunderstood the manual or you have a different manual.
Sun...
P.S. As with most of my posts, this is NOT a *flame*. I just get a little
bothered with people making statements that are UNTRUE and portray
a flase image to other NET users.bleys@tronsbox.UUCP (Bill Cavanaugh) (02/06/90)
>It also says that you may load it in ANY computer as long as it is loaded >in ONE computer at a time. It does not say that you may not even lend >it to your friend or have him look at it. Lastly, the manual states >that IF you DO NOT agree with the agreement, you should promtly return >everything to Bethesda and you will get your money back. Several states have had their supreme courts determine that such "shrink wrap licensing agreements" are illegal. Once you buy it, it's yours, and no one has the right to tell you after you bought it that your rights are restricted. I don't have the game, so I can't look, but does the manual use the word "non-transferable"? That might be what was originally meant... /************************************************************ * * * Everything above is copyright me. All rights unreserved. * * uunet!tronsbox!bleys BIX: bcavanaugh * * * * "The perversity of the universe tends to a maximum" * * Finagle's First Law * * J. Pournelle * * * ************************************************************/
stephen@hpdml93.HP.COM (Stephen Holmstead) (02/09/90)
Bill Cavanaugh writes: >Several states have had their supreme courts determine that such "shrink >wrap licensing agreements" are illegal. Once you buy it, it's yours, and no >one has the right to tell you after you bought it that your rights are >restricted. > >I don't have the game, so I can't look, but does the manual use the word >"non-transferable"? That might be what was originally meant... Well, it says that you cannot sell, loan, rent, or otherwise transfer the software, either on a short-term or long-term basis, to anyone other than the original owner without express WRITTEN consent of Bethesda Software Inc. (this is NOT a quote, but very close--if someone want an EXACT quote, I will have to fetch the manual from home). I have seen this title in one of those "software rental" shops--seems like that would be a direct violation (unless the shop claims that they are not the "original owner"). This agreement doesn't seems to be binding on pirates because they aren't the original owners, either. :-) DISCLAIMER: I am NOT encouraging software piracy, but I am DEFINATELY trying to encourage software companies to quit trying to put license agreements like this on their software. I understand the need to protect your software, but preventing someone from trying to sell it when they are tired of it is REDICULOUS!! Wayne Gretzsky Hockey is a REALLY GOOD game; why do they have to attach crap like this to it? ____ ____ | / /_ __\ | Disk 0S/2 == 1/2 OS (Leo Schwab) Stephen Holmstead | | / / /_/ | | Mechanism // ...!hplabs!hpdmlge!stephen |___\ / /___| Division \X/ Amiga stephen@hpdmlge.boi.hp.com