peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (03/06/90)
It seems like Amiga users are a better class of people, at least in Houston.
My wife calls a number of local chat boards, and mentioned on one
of them that she was using an Amiga. The person on the other end
remarked that he didn't call Amiga boards, because when you
talked about pirating software on an Amiga board they turned you
in. The very nerve!
Now if only this attitude (of the board users and sysops, that is) could be
promulgated to other places and user groups...
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v "Have you hugged your wolf today?" `-_-'msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu (Mark Robert Smith) (03/06/90)
Note that many BBS's in the Houston area, and elsewhere (attctc, jolnet, illuminati, etc) are being shut down as part of an FBI sting, which seems to involve Bell South 911 and possibly ATT 3B2 software. See comp.dcom.telecom for more info (I know nothing but what I saw there). Mark -- Mark Smith, KNJ2LH All Rights Reserved RPO 1604 You may redistribute this article only if those who P.O. Box 5063 receive it may do so freely. New Brunswick, NJ 08903-5063 msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu
nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) (03/06/90)
In article <5249@sugar.hackercorp.com>, peter@sugar (Peter da Silva) writes: >My wife calls a number of local chat boards, and mentioned on one >of them that she was using an Amiga. The person on the other end >remarked that he didn't call Amiga boards, because when you >talked about pirating software on an Amiga board they turned you >in. Hey, this da Silva guy is talking about pirating software. We'd better turn him in. :-) > _--_|\ Peter da Silva <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>. Nick. -- Nick Rothwell, Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh. nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk <Atlantic Ocean>!mcvax!ukc!lfcs!nick ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ A prop? ...or wings? A prop? ...or wings? A prop?
ben@pnet01.cts.com (Ben Decker) (03/07/90)
The situation is the same here in San Diego. There was one pirate BBS that
lasted a SHORT while. It was run by a 14 year old kid with more than a few
social disorders... The Amiga community shut him down. The bottom line... The
Amiga MUST be supported by its users to stay alive and on top of the heap. I
think most of the users have gotten to where they would rather support the
machine than hope someone else does, at least here in San Diego.
-Ben
UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!ben
ARPA: crash!pnet01!ben@nosc.mil
INET: ben@pnet01.cts.comjback@trinesundc.East.Sun.COM (Joe Backo - PS Mgr Sun Washington) (03/07/90)
In article <Mar.5.18.38.43.1990.17610@topaz.rutgers.edu>, msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu (Mark Robert Smith) writes: > Note that many BBS's in the Houston area, and elsewhere (attctc, > jolnet, illuminati, etc) are being shut down as part of an FBI sting, > which seems to involve Bell South 911 and possibly ATT 3B2 software. > Is this the same attctc that was once known as "killer"? If so, I'll take the address out of my L.sys ASAP.... Thanks for the info. Joe
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (03/07/90)
In article <Mar.5.18.38.43.1990.17610@topaz.rutgers.edu> msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu (Mark Robert Smith) writes: > Note that many BBS's in the Houston area, and elsewhere (attctc, > jolnet, illuminati, etc) are being shut down as part of an FBI sting, > which seems to involve Bell South 911 and possibly ATT 3B2 software. I realise that it's fashionable in the rest of the U.S. to think of Texas as one big homogenous "lump", and I know that many Houstonians might normally be flattered to have you consider Dallas as some sort of suburb of Houston, but really it isn't. Also, while the Amiga operating system has a lot in common with UNIX, the Amiga and UNIX communities aren't quite as closely integrated as you seem to be implying. Well, thanks for the kudos. I'll let John or Greg or someone assemble a Dallas-based response... -- _--_|\ `-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>. / \ 'U` \_.--._/ "I've about decided that the net is not the place to do the right v thing. It might violate a charter somewhere ..." -- Spenser Aden
eaeu079@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jason Goldberg) (03/07/90)
In article <1752@crash.cts.com> ben@pnet01.cts.com (Ben Decker) writes: >The situation is the same here in San Diego. There was one pirate BBS that >lasted a SHORT while. It was run by a 14 year old kid with more than a few >social disorders... The Amiga community shut him down. The bottom line... The >Amiga MUST be supported by its users to stay alive and on top of the heap. I >think most of the users have gotten to where they would rather support the >machine than hope someone else does, at least here in San Diego. > -Ben There are more than a few Amiga pirate BBS's in the Irvine, CA area and they seem well conected to a national network of Amiga Pirates. I have aquired some of of their text files, including a list of their BBS's but they are very carefull and their is no way I can get on to any of these systems to confirm them. Is there anything further that I or someone else can do about this? -Jason- -- --------- Jason Goldberg INTERNET: eaeu079@ORION.OAC.UCI.EDU BITNET: eaeu079@UCI.BITNET
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (03/07/90)
In article <25F4C688.3767@orion.oac.uci.edu> eaeu079@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jason Goldberg) writes: |There are more than a few Amiga pirate BBS's in the Irvine, CA area and they |seem well conected to a national network of Amiga Pirates. I have aquired |some of of their text files, including a list of their BBS's but they are |very carefull and their is no way I can get on to any of these systems to |confirm them. Is there anything further that I or someone else can do |about this? You can call the Software Publisher Association toll free number, and they will tell you what you can do. Ask ATT for the 800 number for the SPA. -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (03/07/90)
In <4756@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>, tommyk@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes: >I recently took part in a fairly lively discussion about the "ethics/morality" >of software pirating by individuals. Has this issue been aired before on news. >If so where? >tk What a novel idea! I have never actually seen any debate on any network or BBS on this subject. We should definitely start one! I'm sure there would be all sorts of benefits from it. Seriously, yes, it's been done, and done again, and redone, reiterated, repeated, encored, reprised on every network or BBS that's been in existence for more than 17 days, and if you start another one, the entire net will hate you and flame you mercilessly. -larry -- Gallium Arsenide is the technology of the future; always has been, always will be. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
tommyk@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) (03/08/90)
I recently took part in a fairly lively discussion about the "ethics/morality" of software pirating by individuals. Has this issue been aired before on news. If so where? tk -- ================================================================================ Disclaimer: "You can't pin that wrap on me." ================================================================================
lauren@cbmvax.commodore.com (Lauren Brown - CATS) (03/08/90)
In article <23311@usc.edu> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >In article <25F4C688.3767@orion.oac.uci.edu> eaeu079@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jason Goldberg) writes: >|There are more than a few Amiga pirate BBS's in the Irvine, CA area and they >|seem well conected to a national network of Amiga Pirates. ... >Is there anything further that I or someone else can do >|about this? > >You can call the Software Publisher Association toll free number, and they >will tell you what you can do. Ask ATT for the 800 number for the SPA. The toll free number for reporting piracy is (800) 388-PIR8. Let us know the results. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lauren Brown -- CBM >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< 1200 Wilson Drive West Chester, PA 19380 UUCP ...{allegra,uunet,rutger,}!cbmvax!lauren PHONE 215-431-9100 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
chrisl@caen.engin.umich.edu (Chris Lang) (03/08/90)
In article <10037@cbmvax.commodore.com> lauren@cbmvax (Lauren Brown - CATS) writes: >In article <23311@usc.edu> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >>You can call the Software Publisher Association toll free number, and they >>will tell you what you can do. Ask ATT for the 800 number for the SPA. > >The toll free number for reporting piracy is (800) 388-PIR8. > >Let us know the results. What kind of information is SPA interested in? I presume they aren't asking for reports like "Joe Blow just gave my brother a copy of FuzzPro+ version 3," correct? Are they mostly interested in reports of pirate BBSes, or what? And, how "hard" do they want the information to be? Also, who else wants to know these things? I know our local FBI office occasionally states that they investigate cases of piracy, as does the security division of our phone company, if it involves BBSes...what about AT&T? I'm really getting tired of these people...especially after getting accosted on BIX the other day by some moron who implied I couldn't be a /<00L Amiga power- user because I preferred to write or buy software rather than steal it like his awesome friends do. :-) -Chris ----- Chris Lang University of Michigan, College of Engineering home: 4622 Bursley work: National Center for Manufacturing Sciences Ann Arbor, MI 48109 900 Victors Way, Suite 226 (313) 763-1832 Ann Arbor, MI 48108 chrisl@caen.engin.umich.edu (313) 995-0300 "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (03/08/90)
In article <490f8c82.db93@edsel.engin.umich.edu> chrisl@caen.engin.umich.edu (Chris Lang) writes: >In article <10037@cbmvax.commodore.com> lauren@cbmvax (Lauren Brown - CATS) writes: >>The toll free number for reporting piracy is (800) 388-PIR8. >What kind of information is SPA interested in? I presume they aren't asking >for reports like "Joe Blow just gave my brother a copy of FuzzPro+ version 3," >correct? Are they mostly interested in reports of pirate BBSes, or what? And, >how "hard" do they want the information to be? They just need the telephone number of the pirate BBS. If you want to remain anonymous, they'll accept that too. The have shut down quite a few BBS (and people DID get in jail) and have pretty good connections with the FBI. -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
lauren@cbmvax.commodore.com (Lauren Brown - CATS) (03/09/90)
>>You can call the Software Publisher Association toll free number, and they >>>will tell you what you can do. Ask ATT for the 800 number for the SPA. >> >>The toll free number for reporting piracy is (800) 388-PIR8. >What kind of information is SPA interested in? I presume they aren't asking >for reports like "Joe Blow just gave my brother a copy of FuzzPro+ version 3," >correct? Are they mostly interested in reports of pirate BBSes, or what? And, >how "hard" do they want the information to be? > I spoke with Karen Johnson of SPA this afternoon. While Karen isn't directly involved with their anti-piracy campaign, she did give me an overview of their procedure. Essentially, SPA is interested in hearing ANY reports of piracy. However, response will differ according to the seriousness of the charge. As example: if someone calls with the phone number of a pirate BBS, it is possible the FBI will be alerted immediately. Or, if a call comes in regarding a company's somewhat illegal (to say nothing of immoral:-) copying of software, SPA may write to the company, including their software audit kit with the letter. FYI - the SPA's software audit kit is available to any company upon request. It includes procedures for corporations to perform their own software audit, to ensure legal software usage under the copyright laws. It also includes a list of the possible penalties if software is used illegally. The kit can be requested by calling SPA at (202) 452-1600. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lauren Brown -- CBM >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< 1200 Wilson Drive West Chester, PA 19380 UUCP ...{allegra,uunet,rutger,}!cbmvax!lauren PHONE 215-431-9100 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=