lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (03/09/90)
In <38387@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>, sl195091@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman) writes: >This is a repost to the question I posted earlier. I got flamed for it for >sounding 'fishy' I promptly flamed back. I'm sorry for that, whoever I flamed >but nobody likes to be accused. Anyhow, A friend loaned me a copy of his >ORIGINAL a-max disk. (his back-up) He didn't want to give me his mac >drive tho. First, is this a violation of copyright laws? Of course it is. You are both using it, contrary to not only the spirit, but the letter of the copyright law. > I'm not copying >it, just borowing a copy. Also, my original question... can I use this with >out a mac drive? I want to use it (not just see it) before I consider buying >it. Well, now you know the law. You might also consider the ethics of what you are doing. Once you consider that, it's really up to you to do 'the right thing', whatever that may be in your case. If you are truly 'just evaluating', and if you end up either erasing it or purchasing the package, you might be able to justify your actions to yourself, and I doubt there are many folks who would flame you for it. If you are just rationalizing, and have no intention of buying it, then you will probably be deservedly flamed -larry -- Entymology bugs me. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Andy Hartman <sl195091@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> (03/10/90)
This is a repost to the question I posted earlier. I got flamed for it for
sounding 'fishy' I promptly flamed back. I'm sorry for that, whoever I flamed
but nobody likes to be accused. Anyhow, A friend loaned me a copy of his
ORIGINAL a-max disk. (his back-up) He didn't want to give me his mac
drive tho. First, is this a violation of copyright laws? I'm not copying
it, just borowing a copy. Also, my original question... can I use this with
out a mac drive? I want to use it (not just see it) before I consider buying
it. If anyone can give me any info, it would be appreciated. If I have to
wait until after Spring Break, so be it. I just wanted to use it this week.
thanks in advance,
Andy
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*****************************************************aijpo@castle.ed.ac.uk (Joel Potter) (03/10/90)
Well, the law here says copyright covers unauthorised lending, along with reselling, duplicating, broadcasting, transmitting, recording, throwing out of windows, etc. -- DarkAngel! | "the rumours of my death are greatly AI/CS 1 | exaggerated" <aijpo@uk.ac.ed.castle> | - Mark Twain
sk2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sun Kun Kim) (03/11/90)
Hmmm.... Well, I was the one who 'flamed' this gentleman. I sorta told him that I smell something fishy.(meaning pirated stuff) Anyway, he replied by e-mail: >He is letting me use a backup copy. He still has his original. I asked for >information, not a useless flame. >AMH First of all, my e-mail to you WAS NOT A FLAME. I was trying to tell you that I could see 'PIRATED COPY' written all over your post!!! If it was a flame, I would not have sent e-mail. Secondly, THIS POST IS A FLAME! *flame on* You asked for information and not a useless flame?? For your information, a repost to your original post or e-mailing was NOT a good idea. You goofed AGAIN. So, your friend lent you a COPY of his A-Max and you want to know how to use A-Max without a MAC drive?? Let's backup a little and start over! Just HOW are you planning to RUN A-Max without A-Max HARDWARE???(such as apple roms) Unless Readysoft released a NEW version with the apple roms copied onto a disk(without the public and APPLE not knowing), I think it is SAFE to conclude that YOU HAVE a pirated version.(perhaps your friend doesn't even exist!) So was this a USELESS flame?? Was I wrong in concluding that YOU have a pirated copy? I think NOT. I WOULD SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THIS BEFORE YOU REPLY(OR FLAME) TO THIS POST! *flame off* 'Nuff said. Sun...
usenet@cps3xx.UUCP (Usenet file owner) (03/11/90)
There are certain people on the net who are so anti-piracy that it becomes a religious fervor, and, like Pat Robertson et al., they will say anything, accurate _or not_, to back up their point. Many packages on the market DO specifically make provisions for "borrowing." Usually, the copyright rules will make a reference to their license allowing you access "like a book." IE you can lend it to someone, and they have sole use of it. In no way does the copyright law restrict one from borrowing, lending, selling, etc. any product. Copyright does cover unauthorized duplication. Only if a product's specifies that transferral is restricted are you limited, and even that is of some question legally. Terry Conklin conklin@egr.msu.edu uunet!frith!conklin
krag@cup.portal.com (Kevin Ray Grotjohn) (03/12/90)
I sure hope the guy also gave you the Amax hardware so that he cannot use it while you "borrow" the software. In that case it makes sense to use a backup of his original. He should already have some system disks in AMAX format which will allow you to test the system. If you wish to use any Mac format disks you need a Mac drive.
sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (03/13/90)
usenet@cps3xx.UUCP (Usenet file owner) writes: >Many packages on the market DO specifically make provisions for >"borrowing." Usually, the copyright rules will make a reference to their >license allowing you access "like a book." IE you can lend it to >someone, and they have sole use of it. >In no way does the copyright law restrict one from borrowing, lending, >selling, etc. any product. Copyright does cover unauthorized >duplication. Only if a product's specifies that transferral is >restricted are you limited, and even that is of some question legally. Well making backup copies is legal then right? so does that mean I can start up an "OFF-SITE BACKUP SERVICE"? yea, I will protect your investment from any site hazard, such as earthquakes, floods, fires, etc. You just make a back up of your software send it to me, and I will keep it safe and dry, I will even 'test' it out from time to time to make sure it is a viable back up. Perfectly legal, right? for those die hards out there... it's a joke. :-D -- John Sparks | D.I.S.K. 24hrs 1200bps. Accessable via Starlink (Louisville KY) sparks@corpane.UUCP <><><><><><><><><><><> D.I.S.K. ph:502/968-5401 thru -5406 A virtuous life is its own punishment.
aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David C. Powell) (03/14/90)
Well, I finally got the Mac 128K Roms I needed for my A-Max (Thanks Marco!)
and now I find that, D@MN IT! I can NOT use the Apple Mac Platinum, 800K
drive.... when it works it BARELY works, if at all...
First my setup: Amiga 1000 (old chips, ie. 512K chip, NO halfbrite)
Alegra 2 Meg expansion
Amiga Modem (if it matters... ;-) )
External C= drive (jumpered to pass power)
External C= 5 1/4 drive
A-Max (revision 2 of the hardware, so sez the readme)
Apple Mac Platinum 800K drive
Symptoms: A-Max loads roms 'OK', boots off of my A-Max format system disk,
then gurks/grinds and tells me EVERY Mac disk (be it original or
copies of personal stuff from work.) is either needing to be formatted or if A-Max reads the disk, the programs can not be run 'The program
'XX' is busy or damaged' and they can NOT be copied to either another
A-Max drive, nor can they be copied to the Ram Drive... ARRRGH! I
finally get the Roms and my A-Max setup is NONFUNCTIONAL!!! sigh..
Being the good 'consultant/trainer' that I am, I did TRY the obvious.
I swapped drives (ie. I traded with another known good 800K Apple
drive) thinking the one I had borrowed might be slightly out of
alignment, but alas, the symptoms are WORSE, the drive I have NOW
will NOT even read the same disks the other one did, and it will NOT
load/run some programs the other drive managed to load... Next,
thinking it MIGHT be the C= external drive causing some WEIRD problem
I hooked the LONG A-max cartridge to the BACK of my 1000, NO change
in behavior....
So, before calling ReadySoft (in Canada, with me being in Muncie, Indiana!)
anybody out there have ANY idea what could be going on? Easy way to test I
know is to try it out on another machine, I will this weekend when I am NOT
working/going to classes... ;-) I just want some INPUT from other people who
maybe have had this problem and fixed it..
Thanks in ADVANCE!
David C. Powell
M.I.S. Senior
Ball State University
Muncie, Indiana
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