[comp.sys.amiga] M.U.L.E. and C64 emulators for Amy

dlj@hpfcso.HP.COM (Dave Jobusch) (03/19/90)

Has anyone been able to get ECA's M.U.L.E. game to work on the Amiga
using any of the various (C64,Apple,Mac) emulators? I was recently 
in a Software Etc. store when I saw a copy of "GO-64" for sale for 
about $25. I haven't heard much recently about 64 emulators on the 
Amiga, and M.U.L.E.  was one game I would really like to be able to play.

I noticed the package proudly proclaiming "Version 2.0" and had no 
idea how old that version might be, let alone if "GO-64" is still
being produced. I suspected that it may be quite old, considering
the "1.2 Enhancer Package" being sold next to it (!). SO, I asked
the salesperson what he knew about "GO-64". His comment was that
the "GO-64" program has been on the shelf for a LONG time, and that
it had "about 85%" compatability with C64 programs. He then mentioned
that there were P.D. C64 emulators available with considerably higher
compatability rates.

Questions:

	*) What emulator(s) will successfully run M.U.L.E.?
	   How about Epyx Jumpman?

	*) What are the names of, and where does one find 
	   these public domain C64 emulators?

Thanks in advance for any pointers you can give.


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palmerc@ingr.com (Chris Palmer) (03/22/90)

In article <9010011@hpfcso.HP.COM> dlj@hpfcso.HP.COM (Dave Jobusch) writes:
>Has anyone been able to get ECA's M.U.L.E. game to work on the Amiga
>using any of the various (C64,Apple,Mac) emulators? I was recently 
>in a Software Etc. store when I saw a copy of "GO-64" for sale for 
>about $25. I haven't heard much recently about 64 emulators on the 
>Amiga, and M.U.L.E.  was one game I would really like to be able to play.

I tried to mail this, but no luck...

I bought the GO-64! emulator at WaldenSoftware for 24.95.  My intention in
buying it was to set up a cross-development system for the C-64 (I have an  
SX-64), so I was mainly attracted to being able to access C-64 disks and store
c-64 programs on my Amiga disks (for higher storage, faster access rates).   
Here are some of my results:

     o	On my Amiga 1000 with 1MByte memory, C-64 programs work at about
	40% speed.  This rules out most arcade style games, most adventure
	(graphics or text) seem to work (haven't tried Infocom games tho').

     o	The manual says that speeds up to 130% can be achieved with a more
	advanced processor (68010,020, or 030) and a math co-processor.  Can't
	comment on that.

     o  The program includes cli utilities for transferring files from 1541/71
	disk drives to the amiga drive and for accessing C-64 peripherals.  Oh
	yeah, the hardware is a C-64 female serial socket on a box that plugs
        into the parallel port.  If you have a 1000, you have to buy or build
	a gender changer.

     o	While inside the emulator environment, you can not (I think) access the
	Amiga drives or peripherals (this was a bummer).

     o	Major bummer:  no sound support (or damn little).

     o  Neat features:  offers several different modes to provide speed-up:
	monochrome output (you pick colors), turn off sprites, adjust screen
	update/refresh rates.  You can also change to standard C-64 font to
	several supplied (or user generated fonts) such as Gothic, Future, etc.

     o	Major bummer #2:  To the best of my knowledge, no EA games work with
	the emulator due to copy protection/weird code schemes.  I would kill
	for an Amiga version of M.U.L.E. (easily one of my favorite games of
	all time, at least I can play it on my SX-64, but it would be great on
	an Amiga (maybe I'll write a version :-) )).

     o  While I agree that 85% is a good estimate for compatibility, 
	unfortunately, it seems the better the program, the less likely it is
	to run on the emulator.  

     o	You do need access to a 1541/1571 disk drive to do anything other than
	BASIC programming.

Well, that was long enough!  In conclusion, if you want the CLI utilities and
want to toy around with an emulator, its a good deal.  If you really have to
run lots of C-64 software (at full speed with sound), buy a used C-64 and hook
it up to your Amiga monitor. 

I think that its worth $25, if you already have a disk drive.

						Chris Palmer

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