rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) (01/20/88)
Can anyone tell me where I can get the best prices for 256K by 1 by 150ns or 120ns RAM chips? Preferably by Hitachi, TI, Fujitsu, or Mitsubishi. I have a StarBoard2 and want to fill, preferably before the dollar and trade war send prices ever higher. Thanks in advance for any info, Rich "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."
ngorelic@csm9a.UUCP (Noel Gorelick) (05/22/88)
I recently went down to my local Amiga computer dealer to look
into getting some memory expansion stuff for my 1000.
I figured I'd probably get an Insider board with 512K or so to
start with, and perhaps add RAM a bit at a time when I could afford
it.
He said "An insider board, no problem, got one right here...
But, thats of course with 0k in it. Your probablly gonna have to
wait a while on chips, 2-3 months, but when they come in, I'll grab
you a couple. It takes 32 for a meg, how many do you want?" "Gosh" I
said, " probably about 16 or so... (very naively) How much are they?"
Without batting an eye, he says, very calmly, "$16.50"
I almost fainted. "Apiece?!?"
"My god, thats... $500.00 for a Meg! I can get an entire
computer for that much!"
Ok, so the first question here is, what do I do? I can't
afford $500/meg. And the price doesn't appear to be going down real
soon. I figured it would be cheaper to buy an expasion board for
the 2000, unsolder the chips, and put them on a board for the 1000.
but thats still $300/Meg...
Any suggestions? Anybody know a good chip dealer in Tokoyo?
Anybody know how much round-trip tickets are to Japan?
"Your kidding, You mean it's | ngorelic@csm9a
supposed to make those noises?" | ...udenva!isis!csm9a!ngorelic
| ...boulder!isis!csm9a!ngorelicroot@sbcs.sunysb.edu (root) (05/22/88)
In article <724@csm9a.UUCP>, ngorelic@csm9a.UUCP (Noel Gorelick) writes: > Ok, so the first question here is, what do I do? I can't > afford $500/meg. And the price doesn't appear to be going down real > soon. I figured it would be cheaper to buy an expasion board for > the 2000, unsolder the chips, and put them on a board for the 1000. > but thats still $300/Meg... First thing I would do is write a letter to the US Gov't expressing your concern about how they have messed up.. And how you are going to remember this come election time. Send two more letters to TI and perhaps Micron Technology thanking them for their lobbying efforts and helping raise semiconductor prices. Explain to them how much better you'll sleep at night knowing that you've paid out $17/256K and that they will finally be able to pay off obsolete process lines. Then drop a line to Toshiba, Nec, etc thanking them for dumping 256K chips. And don't neglect a few letters to the media for publishing all the hype about Toshiba. Seriously, about the only way I can think of getting some 256K's chip is maybe finding a surplus board at a computerfest/hamfest that has easily removed chips. Otherwise, you wait. Like the rest of us. > > Any suggestions? Anybody know a good chip dealer in Tokoyo? > Anybody know how much round-trip tickets are to Japan? As pointed out on BIX, even Tokoyo parts houses are short on 256K's. It was said that sources are drying up even in Korea.. > > "Your kidding, You mean it's | ngorelic@csm9a > supposed to make those noises?" | ...udenva!isis!csm9a!ngorelic > | ...boulder!isis!csm9a!ngorelic Rick Spanbauer SUNY/Stony Brook
jason@lakesys.UUCP (Jason) (05/22/88)
In article <724@csm9a.UUCP>, ngorelic@csm9a.UUCP (Noel Gorelick) writes: > > > I recently went down to my local Amiga computer dealer to look > into getting some memory expansion stuff for my 1000. > [...] > said, " probably about 16 or so... (very naively) How much are they?" > Without batting an eye, he says, very calmly, "$16.50" > I almost fainted. "Apiece?!?" > "My god, thats... $500.00 for a Meg! I can get an entire > computer for that much!" > > afford $500/meg. And the price doesn't appear to be going down real > soon. I figured it would be cheaper to buy an expansion board for > > Any suggestions? Anybody know a good chip dealer in Tokoyo? > Anybody know how much round-trip tickets are to Japan? I can remember, back in the good ole' days... For a number of reasons (Protectionism forever! %-(, it looks as if the prices are going to be going up, possibly by as much as 200% (GAK :(~ I just recently bought an IBM board for my Apple //gs (hey, what am I doing in this newsgroup? I own an Apple and an Atari...), thinking that @ $40 per 128K, I could tolerate getting a real amount of memory - Ha! It's presently @ $80/128K. Anyone involved in manufacture/distribution have anything definate? Jason "Gee, should I flagellate myself or just get a memory upgrade?"
tsouth@pro-pac.CTS.COM (Todd South) (05/23/88)
In Article: <724@csm9a.UUCP> ngorelic@csm9a.UUCP (Noel Gorelick) writes: > But, thats of course with 0k in it. Your probablly gonna have to > wait a while on chips, 2-3 months, but when they come in, I'll grab > you a couple. It takes 32 for a meg, how many do you want?" "Gosh" I > said, " probably about 16 or so... (very naively) How much are they?" > Without batting an eye, he says, very calmly, "$16.50" > I almost fainted. "Apiece?!?" > "My god, thats... $500.00 for a Meg! I can get an entire > computer for that much!" Welcome to Reaganomics! :-) Yes, for a few measley hundred dollars, you too can have one meg of memory! > Ok, so the first question here is, what do I do? I can't > afford $500/meg. And the price doesn't appear to be going down real > soon. I figured it would be cheaper to buy an expasion board for > the 2000, unsolder the chips, and put them on a board for the 1000. > but thats still $300/Meg... Don't you find it rather funny that one can buy a board with one meg of memory already on it, strip the board of the memory to put on another board, and pay less! Doesn't this smell of someone's stockpiling? > Any suggestions? Anybody know a good chip dealer in Tokoyo? > Anybody know how much round-trip tickets are to Japan? Unless things have changed drastically from when I was living there a few years ago, things were *NEVER* cheaper in Japan! The Japanese never sold chips (or anything else for that matter) cheap to their own markets. They saved the low prices for the volumous U.S. market. IMHO, I truly think that a lot of stockpiling went on during the low priced floods. But with this stupid trade agreement, Japan has to sell at the same rate as American companies. American companies? Well, they could care less about you, since its all a tax writeoff to them anyway (if they are buyers) and you don;t need that much memory! (in the eyes of most producers, and again, IMHO). I still remember when I had a chance to buy a couple of megs of 1024x1 memory at $18.50 a chip. Too bad I just didn't buy it then because the damn chips (along with every chip on the market today) has truly escalated in price. Come on, you chip producers! I know that a number of you are reading this feed! Explain to us why 256K chips have risen 500% in the last two months. They sure as hell weren't that much before the flooding began! This is one case where I think they will really screw themselves in the long run. Too bad the people that immediately suffer are the consumers. Todd South ***Sitting back with Flame Shields on!*** -- UUCP: {nosc, ihnp4, cacilj, sdcsvax, hplabs!hp-sdd, sun!ihnp4} ...!crash!pnet01!pro-simasd!pro-pac!tsouth ARPA: crash!pnet01!pro-simasd!pro-pac!tsouth@nosc.MIL INET: tsouth@pro-pac.CTS.COM - BITNET: pro-pac.UUCP!tsouth@PSUVAX1
oconnor@sungoddess.steinmetz (Dennis M. O'Connor) (05/23/88)
An article by root@sbcs.sunysb.edu (root) says:
] In article <724@csm9a.UUCP>, ngorelic@csm9a.UUCP (Noel Gorelick) writes:
] >[...] can't afford $500/meg [...] doesn't appear to be going down [...]
]
] First thing I would do is write a letter to the US Gov't expressing
] your concern about how they have messed up [...] to TI and perhaps
] Micron Technology thanking them for their lobbying efforts and
] helping raise semiconductor prices [...] a line to Toshiba,
] Nec, etc thanking them for dumping 256K chips [...] letters to
] the media for publishing all the hype about Toshiba.
[...]
] As pointed out on BIX, even Tokoyo parts houses are short on
] 256K's. It was said that sources are drying up even in Korea..
]
] Rick Spanbauer
] SUNY/Stony Brook
( Gee, does no one remember when $10K for a meg was a good deal ? )
According to the electronics trade press, the current DRAM crisis
has relatively simple roots : after the industry-wide depression,
there just isn't enough production capability left to satisfy
the current high demand for DRAMs. So prices have of course
gone up : that's simple supply-and-demand economics.
Maybe we Amigans should blame it on RAM-hungry operating systems,
like OS/2 and the MacII ? ;-)
By the end of this year, the DRAM shortage should abate, as new
production facilities both in the US and abroad are brought
up to full capability.
--
Dennis O'Connor oconnor%sungod@steinmetz.UUCP ARPA: OCONNORDM@ge-crd.arpa
"The object of socialization is to teach wolves that they are sheep."jesup@cbmvax.UUCP (Randell Jesup) (05/24/88)
In article <10934@steinmetz.ge.com> oconnor%sungod@steinmetz.UUCP writes: > By the end of this year, the DRAM shortage should abate, as new > production facilities both in the US and abroad are brought > up to full capability. > Dennis O'Connor oconnor%sungod@steinmetz.UUCP ARPA: OCONNORDM@ge-crd.arpa Sorry, Dennis, you left out one important fact: the shortage will abate, but only for 1Meg chips. The production of 256K drams is still going down, as lines are taken off line to switch over to megabit parts (which takes a while). So you'll never see $2.50 for 256K chips again, and probably never see $5.00. Randell Jesup {uunet|ihnp4|allegra}!cbmvax!jesup
eachus@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Robert Eachus) (05/26/88)
In article <2996@crash.cts.com> tsouth@pro-pac.CTS.COM (Todd South) writes: -- Some stuff fed to the line eater for brevity. RIE >Welcome to Reaganomics! :-) Yes, for a few measley hundred dollars, you >too can have one meg of memory! > >Don't you find it rather funny that one can buy a board with one meg >of memory already on it, strip the board of the memory to put on another >board, and pay less! Doesn't this smell of someone's stockpiling? > >IMHO, I truly think that a lot of stockpiling went on during the low priced >floods. But with this stupid trade agreement, Japan has to sell at the >same rate as American companies. American companies? Well, they could care >less about you, since its all a tax writeoff to them anyway (if they are >buyers) and you don;t need that much memory! (in the eyes of most producers, >and again, IMHO). I still remember when I had a chance to buy a couple of >megs of 1024x1 memory at $18.50 a chip. Too bad I just didn't buy it then >because the damn chips (along with every chip on the market today) has truly >escalated in price. > >Come on, you chip producers! I know that a number of you are reading this >feed! Explain to us why 256K chips have risen 500% in the last two months. >They sure as hell weren't that much before the flooding began! This is one >case where I think they will really screw themselves in the long run. Too >bad the people that immediately suffer are the consumers. > >Todd South ***Sitting back with Flame Shields on!*** The chip market normally is supply and demand. The Japanese tried (successfully for a while) to change that. What we are seeing now is partially a complex reaction to the Japanese grab, but for the most part is almost textbook free market. Several years ago, when the DRAM market was predictable, what would happen was that a new technology (they came out about every two years or so) would start out at low yield and high price. The only buyers would be people developing new generation boards. When the price point reached six times the previous generation (as lines and designs were debugged and yields improved) the products using the new chips would start to ship. The learning curve would continue, and soon the new chips would be about twice the price of the previous generation and old products would disappear as uneconomic. The Japanese who with the 64K DRAM became a factor in the international market, decided to beat the world (read US companies) to market with the 256K RAM. As a result 256K RAMs appeared at competative prices before most manufacturers were ready for them. The Japanese continued to ramp up production (as new lines came on stream, yields improved, etc.), and started developing 1Meg DRAMs as follow on products. The price plummeted (more production than demand, as most manufacturers were not ready to use the new parts. Eighteen months ago 256K DRAMs cost about as much as 64K DRAMs and the price (around $2.00) was uneconomical for chip makers. The responses to this oversupply (which was really underdemand) was threefold. Chip manufacturers converted DRAM lines to more profitable products. In the US this tended to be ASICs, in Japan it was 1Meg DRAMs. User demand increased, and the US manufacturers screamed foul. Not so much because the Japanese had cornered the 256K DRAM market (at uneconomical prices), but because they were threatening to do the same thing with the 1Meg chips. (Sell at a price that kept them in business in Japan, and dump elsewhere. Since US manufacturers were frozen out of the Japanese market, they would not be able to compete worldwide.) The trade agreement attempted to stop this, and had the effect that one US manufacturer stayed in the 256K market and several were able to enter the 1Meg game. Notice that the main effect of the agreement was to increase the number of manufacturers, while several Japanese companies curtailed their manufacturing of 256K DRAMs. Also computer manufacturers, looking at the tariffs, ordered large quantities in advance and started moving to 1Meg parts. The company I was at introduced a 1Meg chip memory board less than nine months after the 256K chip board. So one year ago, mainframe manufacturers are switching to 1Meg parts, chip makers are switching to 1Meg parts, and no one is adding 256K DRAM capacity. But demand is increasing, and in some markets 256K RAMs are as far as you want to go. (How many 1Meg DRAMs can you use in a 808 based PC? If you use 4x parts -- four, and two 256K parts for parity. One bit wide parts are useless.) Add one last factor, that 1Meg DRAM lines are taking longer to debug than expected because the generation arrived early, and you get to where we are now. End users screaming for 256K parts, and screaming at the prices. One Meg parts available, but the price is higher than six months ago (but only 50%, nothing like what's happening in the 256K market). If some fortune-teller told me two years ago that 1Meg DRAMs would cost $30 this month, I would have said, "So tell me something I didn't know!" When she told me that 256K DRAMs would be over fourteen dollars if you could get them, I would have called her a fake. The market that is out of joint is the 256K market, and it is affecting the prices for other DRAMs. The recent increase in 1Meg part prices is due to the partial substitutability, and the inability of manufacturers to ramp up as fast as the would like. What will happen in the future? The price of 256K parts may continue to rise for a while, but not significantly since it will be capped by the 1Meg price. The 1Meg price will probably be lower by the end of the year, but it won't drop too fast, again because of the 256K situation. Some manufacturers may start putting bad 1Meg parts in 256K wrappers to ease the situation. If you buy a memory board for your machine, try to get one that can take 1Meg parts, since two Meg using one Meg parts may soon cost less than 1 Meg using 256K parts. Two years from now, 1Meg parts will be cheap, but 4Meg parts may still be in the sampling stage. Sorry to be so long winded, but I do have a degree in Economics even if my job title says Software Engineer. (Actually, I'm a computer language lawyer, but that's another story.) These details are needed to understand that the Japanese, not the trade pact or the Reagan adminsitration, are resposible for the high 256K prices, AND THAT NO ONE CAN OR WILL BRING 256K PRICES DOWN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. The situation will only get worse as computer companies use up the chips they bought on long term contracts, and go into the spot market to get more. Robert I. 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dca@kesmai.COM (David C. Albrecht) (05/26/88)
In article <1294@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, root@sbcs.sunysb.edu (root) writes: > > First thing I would do is write a letter to the US Gov't expressing > your concern about how they have messed up.. And how you are going > to remember this come election time. Send two more letters to > TI and perhaps Micron Technology thanking them for their lobbying > efforts and helping raise semiconductor prices. Explain to them > how much better you'll sleep at night knowing that you've paid > out $17/256K and that they will finally be able to pay off obsolete > process lines. Then drop a line to Toshiba, Nec, etc thanking them > for dumping 256K chips. And don't neglect a few letters to the media > for publishing all the hype about Toshiba. > Oh come on. Aren't you being just a tad bit naive blaming this all on the government price fixing arrangement? I certainly won't debate the idiocy of such price fixing long after any native DRAM production facilities have departed to overseas or shut down. Despite the idiocy of the decision I somehow doubt it has had that pronuounced an effect on curtailing expansion. Some affect is likely, this much of an affect? uh huh right. You yourself stated that DRAMS are getting just as hard to get overseas as they are here. Sounds like some people being caught flat footed to me. More likely what we are seeing is an unfortunate outgrowth of the cyclical nature of the semi-conducter market which periodically blooms so that everyone ramps up production and then goes bust. Since new production lines are very expensive and take time to get going, apparently the usual approach is to upgrade lines. Those neat new 1MBits are stealing lines from the old 256Kbits etc. In general, the growth in memory on computers and the popularity of computers has made demand outstrip supply. David Albrecht
wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) (05/26/88)
George Morrow recently pointed out that part of the DRAM shortage has been brought about by chage-over to 1 megabit chip prodcution, thus there isn't enough capacity to meet the dmand for the 256K form factor. Anybody that is jumping on the manufacturing band wagon right now is opting to produce 1 megabit parts, so there isn't likely to be much relaxation of the 256K part shortage until the majority of board makers switch to using 1 meg parts. Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. It is irksome that 256K 120 nS RAM that was going for $3.65 each in March of 1987 cost me $13.95 last week. Reaganomics! --Bill
root@sbcs.sunysb.edu (root) (05/27/88)
In article <168@kesmai.COM>, dca@kesmai.COM (David C. Albrecht) writes: > In article <1294@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, root@sbcs.sunysb.edu (root) writes: > > > Oh come on. Aren't you being just a tad bit naive blaming this all on the Read the posting again. Think I covered most of the players, blamewise. No, it isn't just US Gov't screwups but their gloves are far from white, Dave. > Sounds like some people being caught flat footed to me. > More likely what we are seeing is an unfortunate outgrowth of the cyclical > nature of the semi-conducter market which periodically blooms so that everyone > ramps up production and then goes bust. Since new production lines are very > expensive and take time to get going, apparently the usual approach is to > upgrade lines. Those neat new 1MBits are stealing lines from the old 256Kbits This doesn't explain why prices on 8Kx8, 32Kx8 statics are going up, why the cost of 1 mBit DRAMS has gone from ~$18 to $40-$60 or more, etc. And now that the shiny new 4 mBitx1's are just heading out the door they will begin stealing lines from the once neat new 1 mBitx1's, right? No, sorry I have to disagree. What has happened to the DRAM market is not just supply and demand. > etc. In general, the growth in memory on computers and the popularity of > computers has made demand outstrip supply. > > David Albrecht Rick Spanbauer SUNY/Stony Brook
jeffle@amtfocus.UUCP (Jeff Leitheiser) (05/27/88)
In article <2996@crash.cts.com>, tsouth@pro-pac.CTS.COM (Todd South) writes: > > wait a while on chips, 2-3 months, but when they come in, I'll grab > > "My god, thats... $500.00 for a Meg! I can get an entire > > Come on, you chip producers! I know that a number of you are reading this > feed! Explain to us why 256K chips have risen 500% in the last two months. > They sure as hell weren't that much before the flooding began! This is one > case where I think they will really screw themselves in the long run. Too > bad the people that immediately suffer are the consumers. I agree that the RAM prices are killing people's dreams....not just the computer hacker/consumers but industry itself. Motorola makes chips, but another division also makes unix computers. Right now we lose money on our memory boards because of the outrages spot market prices. The demand is so great because of the large sales quanity of machines and there ever increasing memory needs. Anyway....I'd rather be short of something that I want for home than something that my job depended on. The basic concept of helping the chip manufacturers ( Mot. included ) screwed the US computer industry. jeff leitheiser......disclaimer et al
cmcmanis@sun.uucp (Chuck McManis) (05/30/88)
In article <137@amtfocus.UUCP> jeffle@amtfocus.UUCP (Jeff Leitheiser) writes:
-> Motorola makes chips, but another division also makes unix computers.
-> Right now we lose money on our memory boards because of the outrages
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-> spot market prices.
Careful what you say Jeff, we wouldn't want the Japanese accusing us (the US)
of dumping memory boards.
--
--Chuck McManis
uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com
These opinions are my own and no one elses. But you knew that, didn't you.ngorelic@csm9a.UUCP (Noel Gorelick) (05/31/88)
Hmm, I just noticed something here...
All of this discussion is about 256K chips, and apparently, those
are the ones that are priced so high right now, right?
So how come my dealer said that I would need 64 chips for 2Meg?
Obviously he wasn't talking about 256K chips, was he?
Do all of the typical boards (ie: Insider, starboard etc...) take
256K chips? And also, is there anything that can take a cheaper
priced chip (1Meg chips, or something)?
"You want it should sing, too?" | ngorelic@csm9a
Disclaimer: | ...udenva!isis!csm9a!ngorelic
Not even I claim thses opinions. | ...boulder!isis!csm9a!ngorelic24847843%WSUVM1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Shawn Clabough) (05/31/88)
The reason 64 chips are needed for 2 meg is because a 256K chip is because a chip is measured in bits, not bytes. Therefore: 2048K (bytes) / (256K (bits) / 8 (bits per byte)) = 64 chips I recently purchased the Micron 2 board with 2 megs for $379 from Creative Computers (see page 86, June 88, AmigaWorld). This seems like a very good deal. Almost $100 cheaper most places I called. Go Amiga has is advertised for $399. The lowest price anywhere else was $460. I bought the A2000 version to use in my Subsystem on my A500 The A1000/A500 versions are slightly more expensive because they need an expansion chassis and power supply. I do think you have to tell them you saw the advertisement for it, otherwise it will be $399. It seems to be a very dependable board. Micron bought out the ASDG board, then upgraded it (faster refresh rate) and are now marketing it themselves. __________ | | Shawn Clabough | AMGA4EVR | 2484783@WSUVM1.BITNET |__________| Washington State University Disclaimer: If you aren't sure what a disclaimer is, do you have to disclaim it....
keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) (05/31/88)
In article <1201@neoucom.UUCP> wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) writes: >Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. It is irksome that 256K >120 nS RAM that was going for $3.65 each in March of 1987 cost me >$13.95 last week. Reaganomics! Yeah, we're really punishing those bad Japanese chip-dumper's aren't we? Making them take twice as much money for RAM chips. That'll show 'em. Keith Doyle # {ucbvax,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd Contel Business Systems 213-323-8170
ericb@athertn.Atherton.COM (Eric Black) (06/01/88)
In article <54834@sun.uucp> cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: >In article <137@amtfocus.UUCP> jeffle@amtfocus.UUCP (Jeff Leitheiser) writes: >-> Motorola makes chips, but another division also makes unix computers. >-> Right now we lose money on our memory boards because of the outrages > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >-> spot market prices. > >Careful what you say Jeff, we wouldn't want the Japanese accusing us (the US) >of dumping memory boards. >-- >--Chuck McManis >uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com >These opinions are my own and no one elses. But you knew that, didn't you. I hear a subtle tongue in your cheek there, Chuck, but you should be careful what you say; there's a big difference between "dumping" and a "loss leader". Dumping specifically means that you are selling a product in one market for less than your cost, while selling it at more normal prices in another market. The "loss leader", selling at a price lower than your cost to attact customers to your other (profitable) products, is common practice in many (if not most) industries, including food retailing and startup high-tech. This whole thing has certainly gotten out of hand, and I have many flames for the way the Reagan administration has mis-handled it, but this is not the proper group... Even so, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a new "windfall profits tax" is being imposed on memory makers who are "taking unfair advantage" of the sharply higher prices which have resulted from the "normal" supply & demand behavior of this "free open market". :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) -- Eric Black "Garbage in, Gospel out" Atherton Technology, 1333 Bordeaux Dr., Sunnyvale, CA, 94089 UUCP: {sun,decwrl,hpda,pyramid}!athertn!ericb Domainist: ericb@Atherton.COM
eric@hector.UUCP (Eric Lavitsky) (06/01/88)
In article <2799@louie.udel.EDU> mmdf@udel.UUCP writes: ><much deleted here> > It seems to be a very dependable board. Micron bought out the ASDG >board, then upgraded it (faster refresh rate) and are now marketing it >themselves. This is not quite correct. Micron has licensed the design of the 2MI from ASDG, not "bought it out". This means the design is still the property of ASDG Incorporated, but Micron technologies has the rights to manafacture it. Furthermore, to our knowledge Micron did not "upgrade" the design with a "faster refresh rate" - such a change would not enhance the preformance or reliability of the board in any fashion. > | | Shawn Clabough > |__________| Washington State University Eric Lavitsky ASDG Incorporated ARPA: eric@topaz.rutgers.edu or eric@ulysses.att.com UUCP: {wherever!}ulysses!eric or {wherever!}rutgers!topaz!eric SNAIL: 34 Maplehurst Ln, Piscataway, NJ 08854 "To err is human; To really f*ck up requires the root password."
rodd@dasys1.UUCP (Rod Dorman) (06/01/88)
In article <732@csm9a.UUCP> ngorelic@csm9a.UUCP (Noel Gorelick) writes: >So how come my dealer said that I would need 64 chips for 2Meg? >Obviously he wasn't talking about 256K chips, was he? 2Meg x 8bits ------------- = 64 chips 256Kbits/chip -- Rod -- Rod Dorman {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\ Big Electric Cat Public Unix {bellcore,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!rodd New York, NY, USA {sun}!hoptoad/
thad@cup.portal.com (06/01/88)
Wrong. The 256K chips are organized 256Kx1 BIT. The Amiga's data bus is 16 bits wide, so the MINIMUM number of said chips you'd need would be 16, giving you 512KBYTES. 4x16=64 chips for 2 MegaBYTES. The above assuming your RAM cards don't have parity checking.
perry@well.UUCP (Perry S. Kivolowitz) (06/02/88)
In article <2799@louie.udel.EDU> 24847843%WSUVM1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Shawn Clabough) writes: >board, then upgraded it (faster refresh rate) and are now marketing it >themselves. Is that what they're saying? THAT'S funny.
phil@titan.rice.edu (William LeFebvre) (06/11/88)
In article <2799@louie.udel.EDU> 24847843%WSUVM1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Shawn Clabough) writes: >I recently purchased the Micron 2 board with 2 megs for $379 from >Creative Computers (see page 86, June 88, AmigaWorld). This seems >like a very good deal. Almost $100 cheaper most places I called. >...I do think you have to tell them >you saw the advertisement for it, otherwise it will be $399. That's the same place I got my Micron board from about a month ago. No problems at all. I asked them to ship it UPS blue and it showed up two working days later (I ordered it on Friday and it was there on Tuesday). Two things to note: Although their storefront is open on Mondays, the ordering department is not---so they don't ship stuff out on Monday. The $379 price for the Micron is a special "mail order" price. The guy that took my order didn't know about the special deal, so if you order it from them, make sure that you agree on the price of the board. 3 meg is so much better, especially when using AmigaTeX! William LeFebvre Department of Computer Science Rice University <phil@Rice.edu>
dnye@bbn.com (David Nye) (03/24/89)
I need some help with some Ram Chips I took out of an old Centronics lazer
printer. The part number is HM50464p-15. I think they are Hitachi, and 150ns,
but I need some one to look in there chip cookbook and tell me what kind they
are.
I also need to know, if anyone can tell me what kind they are, is there a
memory board for the AMIGA 2000 that can use these parts. Who makes it and
what was the last price seen for such an animal.
Thanks very much in advance !!!
Dave Nye
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===============================================================================monty@sagpd1.UUCP (Monty Saine) (03/28/89)
Hi,
My Hitachi manual says they are 64kx4, 150 ns, Page mode dynamic rams
As to any boards, I am not sure. Seems to me that the amiga mother boards
use 64kx4 chips, but my schematics are not handy.
Hope I helped,
Monty
" All side effects are effects."
" We can never do merely one thing."
" --First Law of Ecology"a763@mindlink.UUCP (Scott Busse) (04/08/90)
Can anyone tell me where to get ZIP *sockets*, for my CBM 2630 board? Working for an Amiga dealer, we had been using terminal carrier pins, which are individual pin sockets on a removable carrier, but these are much more time consuming to install. A few months back I called several places in the Computer Shopper, and most people didn't even know what a ZIP chip was ( you mean SIP?...) let alone ZIP sockets ( even if they sold the chips!). Any addresses or phone numbers would be appreciated! Thanks. * email: O O O_ _ ___ ..... * ||| /|\ /\ O/\_ / O )=| * Scott_Busse@mindlink.UUCP l | | |\ / \ /\ _\ * \ * ...May the frames be with you...
daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (04/11/90)
In article <1852@zipeecs.umich.edu> gilgalad@eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin) writes: >Question for Dave Haynie: I don't suppose 120 NS ZIPs will work will >they? Nope. And think of all the bad press we would have received if they did work! > Thanks, Ralph Seguin -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Systems Engineering) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy Too much of everything is just enough
hawk@pnet01.cts.com (John Anderson) (04/13/90)
Dave, are all 256x4 ZIPs the same? I mean if I order 16 256x4 ZIPs to add to your (my) 2630 board, do I have to specify a number or anything like that? Do all companies that make 256x4 ZIPs make them all the same way? Thank You. Oh another question while I'm at it if you don't mind. About 99% of the time I do a cold reset of my 2000 the 2088 brodgeboard JMouse software gives a "Startup Failure" problem. This only happens when I'm in '030 mode. About 25% of the time in a warm-reset it will give the error. It never errors in 68000 mode. Any idea what the problem might be. I've tried runnig binddrivers before and after SetCPU FastROM and the same with PCDisk and JMouse (the Amiga to IBM mouse emulation program). Thanks.