CCUCARD%indsvax1.bitnet@uicvm.uic.edu (Paul Cardwell) (05/29/90)
MAC (general):
I recently used a MAC IIcx (close enough), and I thought I'd bring
up McDraw II (ver??). During its loading time, I played with the mouse
pointer. The mouse pointer was fighting to move across the screen.
I never have this problem on my Amiga.
Macintosh needs to design a CLI environment. User Friendly means to
make life easy not only to the average idiot, but to well versed computer
users. Amiga has both, a customizable CLI and Workbench.
Macintosh needs to design a program to let you see everything thats on the
disk, and I do not mean the HEX code. Amiga can do this via CLI, and now with
2.0 Workbench. It can preview disks using DISK utilities.
Macintosh needs to be able to multitask! This is a requirement.
Amiga Multitasks. I've used the MAC computers, I also like to do other
things at the same time. --For example:
Word Processing while Downloading while Painting while formatting another
data disk, all at the same time.
Normally I have running: Dmouse,Cshell,AtalkIII,Disk Master (or SID), and
Cygnus Ed Professional.
I find non-multitasking computers "BORING!"
--end of example.
I know there are a lot of things the MAC needs, but now for the IBM.
Overall to shorten this message:
COMPUTER A:
Amiga:
1. Multitasks, 2. User Friendly, 3. CLI and Workbench (customize
to your liking), 4. Mouse can be moved with ease, 5. has stereo sound,
6. RAM DISK can be used as a disk drive (RAD). Plus MORE!
Emulations: C64,UNIX(soon),ATARI ST (oh boy),MAC SE,and IBM AT.
COMPUTER B:
IBM:
1. NULL, 2. NULL, 3. DOS, 4. NULL, 5. NULL, 6. NULL More Headaches
Emulations: AIX (UNIX..pretty good, but needs some work)
--Any questions? Would you buy Computer A or B?charles@teslab.lab.OZ (Charles W. Widepy) (06/01/90)
In article <20472@snow-white.udel.EDU> CCUCARD%indsvax1.bitnet@uicvm.uic.edu (Paul Cardwell) writes: > [a pretty haphazard and erroneous comparison of Mac and Amiga] >... >Macintosh needs to design a program to let you see everything thats on the >disk, and I do not mean the HEX code. You can see everything on a disk - all files on a Mac have an icon (except hidden files) - this is better than the Amiga for people who don't want to mess with the CLI. There are also programs like disktop which allow you to see all files on the disk including hidden ones. >Macintosh needs to be able to multitask! ... I also like to do other >things at the same time. ... To the user the Mac does appear to multitask. Remember multifinder. If the programs are 100% multifinder co-operative you can do word processing and file downloads etc simultaneously. The real advantage to proper (pre-emptive) multitasking as on the Amiga is to the programmer (and indirectly the user) where it makes life much simpler. What I really found annoying about the Mac IIcx that I use is that the system won't let you do other things while copying files or formatting a disk - very frustrating! Also when opening a file using the standard file requester you can't do anything - not even move a window which is obscuring the file name you want to see!!! > [a pretty haphazard and erroneous comparison of MSDOS and Amiga] An MSDOS clone can do anything an Amiga can with the appropriate add-ons. Windows, mouses, sound cards, RAM disks, even several multitasking additions (but lots of problems and no intertask comms etc). MHO and some facts. I don't want a flame war but I couldn't let these inaccuracies pass. Charles.
gpsteffl@sunee.waterloo.edu (Glenn Patrick Steffler (Co-Op Scum)) (06/05/90)
In article <764@teslab.lab.OZ> charles@teslab.lab.oz.au (Charles W. Widepy) writes: >An MSDOS clone can do anything an Amiga can with the appropriate >add-ons. Windows, mouses, sound cards, RAM disks, even several >multitasking additions (but lots of problems and no intertask comms >etc). Intertask communication has been built into Windows since 2.11. Some very upscale apps use it, including Excel and Word for Windows. Most of the 3.0 apps will be including it in some form. > >MHO and some facts. I don't want a flame war but I couldn't let >these inaccuracies pass. Ditto > >Charles. How formal of you :-) -- ########--######## Co-Op Scum Red Heads Do It In The Shade #######/\####### ####### ####### Glenn Patrick Steffler Comp. Eng. U of 'Loo ##### ##### gpsteffl@sunee.waterloo.edu gpsteffl@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
stevem@sauron.Columbia.NCR.COM (Steve McClure) (06/05/90)
In article <1990Jun5.010240.17383@sunee.waterloo.edu> gpsteffl@sunee.waterloo.edu (Glenn Patrick Steffler (Co-Op Scum)) writes: |In article <764@teslab.lab.OZ> charles@teslab.lab.oz.au (Charles W. Widepy) writes: |>An MSDOS clone can do anything an Amiga can with the appropriate |>add-ons. Windows, mouses, sound cards, RAM disks, even several |>multitasking additions (but lots of problems and no intertask comms |>etc). | |Intertask communication has been built into Windows since 2.11. Some very |upscale apps use it, including Excel and Word for Windows. Most of the 3.0 |apps will be including it in some form. | |> |>MHO and some facts. I don't want a flame war but I couldn't let |>these inaccuracies pass. | |Ditto The only problem with add-ons is that not everyone has them. At least in the Amiga environment everyone has all the software needed to run any application just by having the OS. Same thing with hardware really. I know my app will run on another Amiga because everyone has a mouse, everyone has the same display, etc. I also have the advantage that I don't have to have a mouse driver or printer driver to write for my app to take advantage of those resources. I also don't have to worry about TSR's that don't live well together. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve email: Steve.McClure@Columbia.NCR.COM 803-791-7054 The above are my opinions, which NCR doesn't really care about anyway! CAUSER's Amiga BBS! | 803-796-3127 | 8pm-8am 8n1 | 300/1200/2400
<LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> (06/06/90)
In article <2173@sauron.Columbia.NCR.COM>, stevem@sauron.Columbia.NCR.COM (Steve McClure) says: >|>An MSDOS clone can do anything an Amiga can with the appropriate >|>add-ons. Windows, mouses, sound cards, RAM disks, even several >|>multitasking additions (but lots of problems and no intertask comms >|>etc). >| > >The only problem with add-ons is that not everyone has them. At least in the >Amiga environment everyone has all the software needed to run any application >just by having the OS. Same thing with hardware really. I know my app will >run on another Amiga because everyone has a mouse, everyone has the same >display, etc. I also have the advantage that I don't have to have a mouse >driver or printer driver to write for my app to take advantage of those >resources. I also don't have to worry about TSR's that don't live well >together. The other bigger problem with add-ons is that not everyone has the same ones. Customer A might have a EGA with microsoft mouse while B has PC mouse with Super VGA etc. The possible combinations are so opened ended that a part-time programmer might not have the resources to support all the possible hardware configurations for the end users. One of the things I really like is the way the graphics hardware supports custom screens. If the programmer doesn't like the OS do the output, he/she can write to the custom screen without causing problems (if the programmer stick to some simple rules ) > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Steve email: Steve.McClure@Columbia.NCR.COM 803-791-7054 >The above are my opinions, which NCR doesn't really care about anyway! >CAUSER's Amiga BBS! | 803-796-3127 | 8pm-8am 8n1 | 300/1200/2400 K. C. Lee We have the "Snap, Crackle & Pop", they have the "Fruit and ???". How about a cereal interface ? Please... please.... :B^)
goose@surf.sics.bu.oz (Ralph Schwarten) (06/06/90)
From article <20472@snow-white.udel.EDU>, by CCUCARD%indsvax1.bitnet@uicvm.uic.edu (Paul Cardwell): > > > MAC (general): > > I recently used a MAC IIcx (close enough), and I thought I'd bring > up McDraw II (ver??). During its loading time, I played with the mouse > pointer. The mouse pointer was fighting to move across the screen. > I never have this problem on my Amiga. You must have loaded the software from the floppy drive :-) The mouse interupt is rescheduled to a lower priority in order to speed floppy disk access. This is not the case when using SCSI devices due to their inherent large bandwidth. Hence I have never seen this problem when loading from a hard disk. Besides.. the Amiga ponter *freezes* will it redraws windows > > Macintosh needs to design a CLI environment. User Friendly means to > make life easy not only to the average idiot, but to well versed computer > users. Amiga has both, a customizable CLI and Workbench. > Ever heard of MPW ? (Macintosh Programmers Workshop) This product provides a command line interface to the macintosh operating system. It was written for Macintosh programmers/powerusers. It provides a rich set of tools (language compilers,linkers,source level debuggers etc.. for C,pascal and assembler). It also allows (unix like, amigados like ms-dos like) access to the Mac filesystem. You know.. things like change directory, view directory, delete directory, copy files, delete files.. all those command line interface commands we have come to love. It also has a script(batch) file language that allows you to create startup-sequences (no pun intended) macintosh menus (sorta like arexx) and other fun batch file like things. It provides for multiple windows and it multitasks between them (not pre-emptive though). It also provides the facility (ala arexx) to communicate with processes running in other windows. And GUESS WHAT !!!!!! THE WINDOWS HAVE SCROLL BARS :-)))))) Something that commodore again neglected in cli windows in ver 2.0 > Macintosh needs to design a program to let you see everything thats on the > disk, and I do not mean the HEX code. Amiga can do this via CLI, and now with > 2.0 Workbench. It can preview disks using DISK utilities. See above !! SUM Utilities, Copy II MAc, The Finder, Retrospect to name a few more :-) > >iMacintosh needs to be able to multitask! This is a requirement. > Amiga Multitasks. I've used the MAC computers, I also like to do other > things at the same time. --For example: > > Word Processing while Downloading while Painting while formatting another > data disk, all at the same time. Shit... send me a movie of yourself word processing and painting at the same time :-) How the f... do you do it ? Or do you have two mic e ;-) Tell me, how do you keep mouse focus on both windows at the same time ? > > Normally I have running: Dmouse,Cshell,AtalkIII,Disk Master (or SID), and > Cygnus Ed Professional. > WOW !!!! So not only do you have a multitasking computer but you yourself are multitasking !!! "Able to use multiple applications simultaneously it's MULTI-MAN" :-) But really Paul, if I could be so bold , could I put to you that you really put a program that you are not currently working on into background, and bring the one that you do want to work on into the foreground ? Sound very similair to Multi finder on the Macintosh. Which BTW, can also download in the background > I find non-multitasking computers "BORING!" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This line really sums up your intellectual prowess > By the sounds of you, you have the technical knowledge of a slug. Therfore you would not even begin to use the Amiga's true multitasking environment and facilities. Based on what you say above.. I would assume you use it as little more than an applications swapper (like Apple's Multifinder) >[crap about IBMs deleted] I don't mind critism of the Macintosh I use both Macintosh and Amiga computers heavily. However when a missinformed little twerp starts sprouting absolute crap about a subject that he knows little about(and speaking as if he did !!) i get a bit up in arms. Both are excellent computers. Either one has features that make it unique.. each may do a certain job better than the other. So let's stop this "My computer is better than yours because this is the computer I own" attitude, and get with it !!!! Ralph Schwarten Computing and Information Technology Bond University Gold Coast QLD Australia internet: goose@hal.nmg.bu.oz.au [Standard disclaimer applies]