papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/04/90)
In article <1249@nyx.UUCP> kvasconc@nyx.UUCP (Kevin Wade Vasconcellos) writes: > Okay..call the following BBS's located in Denver, CO for Amigas! > Gives those a call.....pirate on all of them except Backburner! Oh, isn't that special :-) Where is that toll free number for the SPA? Aha, here it is :-) -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
filbo@gorn.santa-cruz.ca.us (Bela Lubkin) (06/04/90)
In <1249@nyx.UUCP> Kevin Wade Vasconcellos wrote: > Okay..call the following BBS's located in Denver, CO for Amigas! > > Backburner (303)697-1225 1200-2400baud 50megs 2-line [...] > Gives those a call.....pirate on all of them except Backburner! ^^^^^^ Impending doom of comp.sys.amiga predicted! Everyone, please send him your flames via email, NOT over the net -- OK? Bela Lubkin * * // filbo@gorn.santa-cruz.ca.us Why do I mention CI$?? @ * * // belal@sco.com ...ucbvax!ucscc!{gorn!filbo,sco!belal} R Pentomino * \X/ Filbo @ Pyrzqxgl +1 408-476-4633, XBBS +1 408-476-4945
jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) (06/05/90)
In article <1249@nyx.UUCP> kvasconc@nyx.UUCP (Kevin Wade Vasconcellos) writes: > > Okay..call the following BBS's located in Denver, CO for Amigas! > > Gives those a call.....pirate on all of them except Backburner! So in other words they'll be closed in a week by the secret service. Or perhaps the secret service is running them to get names and numbers of crackers/phreaks/pirates. -- John M. Adams --**-- Professional Student on the six-year plan! /// Internet: jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu -or- vladimir@maple.circa.ufl.edu /// "Houston, we have a negative on that orbit trajectory." Calvin & Hobbes \\V// Cosysop of BBS:42; Amiga BBS FIDOnet 1:3612/42. 904-438-4803 (Florida) \X/
krag@cup.portal.com (Kevin Ray Grotjohn) (06/05/90)
Phone number of Pirate BBS's deleted So who wants to be the first to call the SPA and US Secret Service so they can have their equipment confiscated and they sysops can be put in jail. Pretty moronic to post those numbers unless that was your intended purpose. krag@cup.portal.com
j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning) (06/05/90)
In article <23435@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes... >In article <1249@nyx.UUCP> kvasconc@nyx.UUCP (Kevin Wade Vasconcellos) writes: >> >> Okay..call the following BBS's located in Denver, CO for Amigas! >> >> Gives those a call.....pirate on all of them except Backburner! > > >So in other words they'll be closed in a week by the secret service. Or ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >perhaps the secret service is running them to get names and numbers of >crackers/phreaks/pirates. >-- >John M. Adams --**-- Professional Student on the six-year plan! /// >Internet: jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu -or- vladimir@maple.circa.ufl.edu /// >"Houston, we have a negative on that orbit trajectory." Calvin & Hobbes \\V// >Cosysop of BBS:42; Amiga BBS FIDOnet 1:3612/42. 904-438-4803 (Florida) \X/ I don't know why so many people think the "secret service" or FBI are the least bit interested in pirate boards. They don't give a flip about pirate boards. You have never read about a purely pirate board getting shut down by any legal agency. The only boards that get in trouble are the ones that post credit card/ calling card numbers or other types of illegal information such as how to break into government systems and what not. Piracy is not considered enough of a crime in and of itself to interest federal agencies. You may occasionally hear of Lotus/Microsoft/Ashton Tate or some other large software house threatening to sue the sysop of a pirate board but that is all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | In the immortal words of the great | | John Manning | American philosopher Joe Tex: | | j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com | | | | "I ain't gonna bump no more with no | | | big fat woman" | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/05/90)
In article <12186@shlump.nac.dec.com> j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning) writes: |I don't know why so many people think the "secret service" or FBI are the least |bit interested in pirate boards. They don't give a flip about pirate boards. |You have never read about a purely pirate board getting shut down by any legal |agency. The only boards that get in trouble are the ones that post credit card/ |calling card numbers or other types of illegal information such as how to break |into government systems and what not. Piracy is not considered enough of a |crime in and of itself to interest federal agencies. You may occasionally hear |of Lotus/Microsoft/Ashton Tate or some other large software house threatening |to sue the sysop of a pirate board but that is all. I guess you're not up to the latest info. The FBI "used" not to care about such things as pirate boards. That has changed quite a lot during the past couple of years, partly because the SPA (The Software Publishers Association), which is mostly made up of big guns like Lotus, etc... has set up a toll free number where *anonymously* one can report telephone numbers of pirate BBSs. I can assure you that pirate sysops have gone to jail because of it, and had all their computer equipment confiscated for good. Something I personally highly applaud. -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/05/90)
In article <2514@zipeecs.umich.edu> bagchi@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Bagchi) writes: > I once came across a pirated copy of ATALK III,took a look at it, ^^^^^^^^^^^ You "came across"? Gee, are you *afraid* to say you "pirated" it? Or maybe you should have said that a "friend gave it to you"? Some people we'll go to no extent to cover their tracks :-) > The SPA is a group that I would really enjoy watching take a fall. >A big one. Because they are bullies. Fat chance, dude. Your pirate BBS sysops friends are taking a fall. A big one :-) -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (06/05/90)
In article <25116@usc.edu>, papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes... ^In article <2514@zipeecs.umich.edu> bagchi@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Bagchi) writes: ^> I once came across a pirated copy of ATALK III,took a look at it, ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^You "came across"? Gee, are you *afraid* to say you "pirated" it? Or maybe ^you should have said that a "friend gave it to you"? Some people we'll go to ^no extent to cover their tracks :-) You don't release a demo version of ATalk do you? I'd like to see it before I purchase it. Actually I'd like to see any package before I buy them since some expensive games/applications are real peices of junk. Perhaps pirateing would happen less if crippled demo versions were readily available to the users (like Xanth or various BBS). ^ ^-- Marco BTW: You mentioned that you have a full Tek4105/4107 emulator written but not released it because no company has bought it yet. I take it to mean that ATalk III does not fully support these modes. What advantages does ATalk have over handshake (VT220 Emulator) and VLT (limited 4105 emulation)? Also, is it possible to buy a copy of your TEK emulator? Possibly a site licence as well if my project elects to buy Amigas over real TEK terminals (which are damned expensive). I have to sell the idea of Amigas first but this is becomming impossible because I can't get certain applications to run correctly on VLT (actually the application wants a TEK 4111 but I've been tweaking the parameters enough to get by on the brain damaged VersTerm Pro TEK4107 emulation). Anybody have a commerical or PD/Shareware product out there that can help? I'll gladly sink $50-$100 of my own cash to get them to buy Amigas. NT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- // | Nigel Tzeng - STX Inc - NASA/GSFC SMEX Project \X/ | xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov | Amiga | Standard Disclaimer Applies: The opinions expressed are my own.
plouff@kali.enet.dec.com (06/05/90)
In article <25111@usc.edu>, papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes... >... partly because the SPA (The Software Publishers Association), >which is mostly made up of big guns like Lotus, etc... has set up a toll free >number where *anonymously* one can report telephone numbers of pirate BBSs. >I can assure you that pirate sysops have gone to jail because of it, and had >all their computer equipment confiscated for good. Something I personally >highly applaud. > >-- Marco Part of the problem in believing reports of computer crime is that only the flashiest cases (i.e. Kevin Mitnick) ever have names attached. Would you be kind enough to provide specific details on a few of the offenders? After all, this information is already part of the public record. No flame intended - I'd just like to see the ratio of fact to conjecture rise in this newsgroup. -- Wes Plouff, Digital Equipment Corp, Maynard, Mass. plouff%kali.enet.dec@decwrl.dec.com Author: "I've posted my continental drift simulator." Wag: "Does it run in real time?" -- Seen in comp.sys.amiga
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/06/90)
In article <2238@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov writes: >You don't release a demo version of ATalk do you? I'd like to see it before I >purchase it. Actually I'd like to see any package before I buy them since some >expensive games/applications are real peices of junk. Dealers have been given "demo" copies (the cripped type) of A-Talk III for a long time. These are fully functional except that no data is sent out the serial port. If your dealer doesn't have it, tell him to call Oxxi at (213)427-1227 and ask for one. >Perhaps pirateing would happen less if crippled demo versions were readily >available to the users (like Xanth or various BBS). I seriously doubt that. >BTW: You mentioned that you have a full Tek4105/4107 emulator written but not >released it because no company has bought it yet. I take it to mean that >ATalk III does not fully support these modes. A-Talk III supports a Tek 4014 and VT640 extensions. The Tek4105/4107 code is "derivative" code of the one in A-Talk III so Oxxi is the only company that can buy it. So far, they don't think there is a market there to support the delivery of a "commercial" versoin of such a thing. It is very easy to add a few extra Tek4105 commands (like VLT did) to get color and lines. Unfortunately that's useless since all major Tek4105 sofware packages (take Template, DISSPLA, etc...) use all Tek4105 commands. I havn't found a software package that doesn't break with VLT's Tek4105 emulation. >What advantages does ATalk have >over handshake (VT220 Emulator) and VLT (limited 4105 emulation)? Handshake is a "perfect" VT220 emulator. That's it. If that's all you need it is great. No Tek, few protocls, no other emulations. VLT is faily good as a Tek4014, but the VT100 in it has major flaws. Again if all you do is Tek4014, VLT is the way to go. It's good and it's free. As most commercials A-Talk III tries to give you everytihng in one package. As many emulations and protocols as one can get, advanced features like Arexx, multi-serial, and all supported by continuous updates (of the software AND documentation). And we continuously strive to add features to our program. With the A3000 networking announcement it is clear that networking is something to think about for the future. You can bet, a networking version of A-Talk III is not far away :-) >Also, is it possible to buy a copy of your TEK emulator? No, given my current contracts, it is not possible. >Anybody have a commerical or PD/Shareware product out there that can help? >I'll gladly sink $50-$100 of my own cash to get them to buy Amigas. A guy in Florida had released at some point a partial Tek4105 emulator. I recall the guy went to jail for cocain use or something like that. I haven't heard whatever happened to him since. -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (06/06/90)
In article <12200@shlump.nac.dec.com> plouff@kali.enet.dec.com writes: >Part of the problem in believing reports of computer crime is that only >the flashiest cases (i.e. Kevin Mitnick) ever have names attached. >Would you be kind enough to provide specific details on a few of the >offenders? After all, this information is already part of the public >record. No flame intended - I'd just like to see the ratio of fact to >conjecture rise in this newsgroup. Personally I don't want to be part of any personal publicity for these scums. You are free to contact the SPA, though. -- Marco P.S.: I have no connection with the SPA, besides agreeing with their basic policy toward pirate BBSs and their sysops. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (06/06/90)
In article <25129@usc.edu>, papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes... ^In article <2238@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov writes: ^>You don't release a demo version of ATalk do you? I'd like to see it before I ^>purchase it. Actually I'd like to see any package before I buy them since some ^>expensive games/applications are real peices of junk. ^ ^Dealers have been given "demo" copies (the cripped type) of A-Talk III for ^a long time. These are fully functional except that no data is sent out ^the serial port. If your dealer doesn't have it, tell him to call Oxxi ^at (213)427-1227 and ask for one. Okay. Most of my software purchases have been through mail order since the nearest dealer is slime and the next closest is a drive away. Not a huge distance but the prices are outrageous (from the rent I suppose...it is in one of the real upscale malls). Haven't found a place I really want to do buisness with yet... ^ ^>Perhaps pirateing would happen less if crippled demo versions were readily ^>available to the users (like Xanth or various BBS). ^ ^I seriously doubt that. You're probably right. ^ ^>BTW: You mentioned that you have a full Tek4105/4107 emulator written but not ^>released it because no company has bought it yet. I take it to mean that ^>ATalk III does not fully support these modes. ^ ^A-Talk III supports a Tek 4014 and VT640 extensions. The Tek4105/4107 code is ^"derivative" code of the one in A-Talk III so Oxxi is the only company that can ^buy it. So far, they don't think there is a market there to support the ^delivery of a "commercial" versoin of such a thing. It is very easy to add ^a few extra Tek4105 commands (like VLT did) to get color and lines. ^Unfortunately that's useless since all major Tek4105 sofware packages ^(take Template, DISSPLA, etc...) use all Tek4105 commands. I havn't found ^a software package that doesn't break with VLT's Tek4105 emulation. ^ ^>What advantages does ATalk have ^>over handshake (VT220 Emulator) and VLT (limited 4105 emulation)? ^ ^Handshake is a "perfect" VT220 emulator. That's it. If that's all you need ^it is great. No Tek, few protocls, no other emulations. VLT is faily good ^as a Tek4014, but the VT100 in it has major flaws. Again if all you do is ^Tek4014, VLT is the way to go. It's good and it's free. As most commercials ^A-Talk III tries to give you everytihng in one package. As many emulations ^and protocols as one can get, advanced features like Arexx, multi-serial, ^and all supported by continuous updates (of the software AND documentation). ^And we continuously strive to add features to our program. With the A3000 ^networking announcement it is clear that networking is something to think ^about for the future. You can bet, a networking version of A-Talk III ^is not far away :-) ^ ^>Also, is it possible to buy a copy of your TEK emulator? ^ ^No, given my current contracts, it is not possible. Would it help if I wrote a letter to Oxxi? Perhaps you ought to think about including it anyway as extra incentive to buy ATalk III. Fixing the VT100 emulation would also help. Granted that "giving away" code is no fun (yeah I write code too...I given more overtime for "free" than I thought I ever would) but you'd make an instant new sale (wow...that'll probably come out to 87 cents for you ;-). You're right that Template "breaks" on VLT. Real annoying. Unless the Amiga gets a terminal emulation package at least as good as Versa Term Pro then it can't compete as well against Macs. Which is a shame since most of the pieces are lying around. An honest to god Vt240 emulator would also be nice but there isn't much a VT220/TEK4105 emulator can't handle in the VMS world. VT220 emulation is a lot better for VMS types since the major DEC editors map keys differently for them. Once you get used to the VT200+ series setup the VT100 really can screw you up (where the hell is that damn DO key???). ^ ^>Anybody have a commerical or PD/Shareware product out there that can help? ^>I'll gladly sink $50-$100 of my own cash to get them to buy Amigas. ^ ^A guy in Florida had released at some point a partial Tek4105 emulator. ^I recall the guy went to jail for cocain use or something like that. I ^haven't heard whatever happened to him since. Hmmm...can't go up to my boss and say "Hey there this package that would be great but the guy who wrote it is in jail for coke use..." I don't think it'll fly ;-). ^ ^-- Marco ^-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ^"Xerox sues somebody for copying?" -- David Letterman ^-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Well, thanks for the info. I wish you continued success with ATalk! NT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- // | Nigel Tzeng - STX Inc - NASA/GSFC COBE Project \X/ | xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov | Amiga | Standard Disclaimer Applies: The opinions expressed are my own.
amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman (Amiga Man)) (06/07/90)
In article <23435@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) writes: >So in other words they'll be closed in a week by the secret service. Or >perhaps the secret service is running them to get names and numbers of >crackers/phreaks/pirates. Can they really do this? It seems like it would be entrapment. I'm no lawyer, but it sure sounds like it to me. >-- >John M. Adams --**-- Professional Student on the six-year plan! /// >Internet: jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu -or- vladimir@maple.circa.ufl.edu /// >"Houston, we have a negative on that orbit trajectory." Calvin & Hobbes \\V// >Cosysop of BBS:42; Amiga BBS FIDOnet 1:3612/42. 904-438-4803 (Florida) \X/ AMH * Andy Hartman | I'd deny half of this crap anyway!| /// * Indiana University |-----------------------------------| /// *++Construction++++++| amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | \\\/// *+++++++Zone+++++++++| AMHARTMA@rose.ucs.indiana.edu | \XX/