lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (06/05/90)
In <1990Jun5.084738.504@agate.berkeley.edu>, laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung) writes: >And now... for something completely different... a man with three...*CUT* > >Help, does Bill Hawes' WSHELL (A wonderfully wonderful product) have >file-name completion? (I use it so often on the Suns that I miss it greatly >here.) > >I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will >accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have >Version 1.05. I forget which version it's in, but it wasn't in 1.05, so you should really upgrade. FComp is great! -larry -- The raytracer of justice recurses slowly, but it renders exceedingly fine. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung) (06/05/90)
And now... for something completely different... a man with three...*CUT* Help, does Bill Hawes' WSHELL (A wonderfully wonderful product) have file-name completion? (I use it so often on the Suns that I miss it greatly here.) I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have Version 1.05. Thanks in advance. -jc -- Joseph Chung == You can always find what you're not looking for! == laba-1ei@web.berkeley.edu
duncan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shan D Duncan) (06/05/90)
From article <1990Jun5.084738.504@agate.berkeley.edu>, by laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung): > > And now... for something completely different... a man with three...*CUT* > > Help, does Bill Hawes' WSHELL (A wonderfully wonderful product) have > file-name completion? (I use it so often on the Suns that I miss it greatly > here.) > > I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will > accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have > Version 1.05. > > Thanks in advance. > -jc > -- > Joseph Chung > == You can always find what you're not looking for! == > laba-1ei@web.berkeley.edu The update to 1.05 is 1.2. Appendix D. includes a discussion of the filename completer. Fcomp. Fcomp includes a cache and can do keymapping. It is indeed a seperate program as is pathman. I use Wshell all the time and just found out about using inline arexx programs. I updated around Jan. of this year when he had a special offer mailed to me. He has been very good about mailing to regester users. I never expected getting a card back thanking me for my shareware contribution to conman and then letting me know wshell would soon be updated (that came in Oct). Sure enought in Dec. I got a notice about 1.2. I like getting feedback when I send in those registration card. It certainly makes a good impression. BTW the Wshell manual was produced with AmigaTeX.
bjornk@bula.se (Bjorn Knutsson) (06/06/90)
In article <1990Jun5.084738.504@agate.berkeley.edu> laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung) writes: >And now... for something completely different... a man with three...*CUT* > >Help, does Bill Hawes' WSHELL (A wonderfully wonderful product) have >file-name completion? (I use it so often on the Suns that I miss it greatly >here.) Yes, he sure has. And it's the nicest filename completion I've run across so far. >I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will >accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have >Version 1.05. Yes. All registered owners of WShell were notified of the upgrade in December '89 I belive. (Since I betatest WShell for Bill, I don't get the upgrade notices, so I wouldn't know.) Now, why should you be able to find it anywhere? People who own the product get the updates from Bill. People who haven't registered should, since Bill's support is THE best I've encountered so far. (He even spells my name and address correctly.) >Thanks in advance. >-jc >-- >Joseph Chung >== You can always find what you're not looking for! == >laba-1ei@web.berkeley.edu --- Bjorn Knutsson / USENET: bjornk@bula.se or sunic!sics!bula!bjornk Stangholmsbacken 44 / Phone : +46-8-710 7223 S-127 40 SKARHOLMEN / "Oh dear, I think you'll find reality's on the S W E D E N / blink again." -- Marvin The Paranoid Android
jep@mtiame.oz (Jesper Peterson) (06/06/90)
In article <1990Jun5.084738.504@agate.berkeley.edu> laba-1ei@e260-3c (Joseph Chung) writes:
=I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will
=accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have
=Version 1.05.
You need version 1.2 (or is it 1.3 --- no almost certainly 1.2).
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- katefans@world.std.com (Chris'n'Vickie of Kansas City)laba-1ei@web-3e.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung) (06/06/90)
In article <4311@uwm.edu> duncan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: >From article <1990Jun5.084738.504@agate.berkeley.edu>, by laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung): >> >> And now... for something completely different... a man with three...*CUT* >> >> Help, does Bill Hawes' WSHELL (A wonderfully wonderful product) have >> file-name completion? (I use it so often on the Suns that I miss it greatly >> here.) >> >> I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will >> accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have >> Version 1.05. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> -jc >> -- >> Joseph Chung >> == You can always find what you're not looking for! == >> laba-1ei@web.berkeley.edu > > >The update to 1.05 is 1.2. Appendix D. includes a discussion of >the filename completer. Fcomp. Fcomp includes a cache and can >do keymapping. It is indeed a seperate program as is pathman. > >I use Wshell all the time and just found out about using inline >arexx programs. > OK, I'm putting my reg card in the mailbox as I type :) I've only had the program for three days, so I don't think I'm too late. Was the upgrade Free?! Thanks for all those that replied. -jc -- Joseph Chung == You can always find what you're not looking for! == laba-1ei@web.berkeley.edu
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (06/09/90)
In <1990Jun9.022707.19982@laguna.ccsf.caltech.edu>, toddal@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd Allendorf) writes: >bjornk@bula.se (Bjorn Knutsson) writes: > >>In article <1990Jun5.084738.504@agate.berkeley.edu> laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung) writes: > >>>And now... for something completely different... a man with three...*CUT* >>> >>>Help, does Bill Hawes' WSHELL (A wonderfully wonderful product) have >>>file-name completion? (I use it so often on the Suns that I miss it greatly >>>here.) > >>Yes, he sure has. And it's the nicest filename completion I've run >>across so far. > >>>I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will >>>accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have >>>Version 1.05. > >>Yes. All registered owners of WShell were notified of the upgrade in >>December '89 I belive. (Since I betatest WShell for Bill, I don't get >>the upgrade notices, so I wouldn't know.) > >>Now, why should you be able to find it anywhere? People who own the product >>get the updates from Bill. People who haven't registered should, since >>Bill's support is THE best I've encountered so far. (He even spells my name >>and address correctly.) > > I had a rather bad >experience with WShell and Mr. Hawes' product support. I bought WShell this >January as a companion for ARexx and found it to be a nice (but not spectacular) >shell. I sent in my registration card and a week later I got a notice (post- >marked Jan. 29) that WShell was being updated and I could upgrade for "just" >$10 but if I wanted the manual that would be $20 more. That $30 total, and >that's what I paid for it not two weeks earlier! You have purchased at the wrong time, and have been caught in the middle. It happens. > I wrote a letter to Mr. Hawes explaining that I bought WShell 1.05 >after 1.2 was already available and that I thought it must have been some sort >of mistake that I got an old version. I had ordered the package from Lightspeed >and they didn't have it in stock so they had to special order it from Mr. Hawes. >The only explanation that I can think of is that Mr. Hawes was clearing out his >supply of WShell 1.05 and manuals at the same time he was shipping version 1.2. Lightspeed may or may not have 'had to order it from Mr. Hawes', ie. Lightspeed may have ordered from a distributor, and even if they did, it may indeed have been before 1.2 was already shipping. Your beef may not be with Bill at all. > To this date, I have not received any kind of response from Mr. Hawes. >That is not what I call support. Product support is more than just sending out >update notices. For me that notice was not a courtesy but a way of milking me >out of $30 more. Are you sure he received your letter? This does not sound like Bill at all. He is dedicated to product excellence and support, and is very fair in his dealings, an observation made from both personal experience and the reports of others. I will pass your comments along to him via Compuserve, or you can do it yourself via the Internet by mailing to him at: 72230.267@compuserve.com -larry -- The raytracer of justice recurses slowly, but it renders exceedingly fine. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
toddal@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd Allendorf) (06/09/90)
bjornk@bula.se (Bjorn Knutsson) writes: >In article <1990Jun5.084738.504@agate.berkeley.edu> laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung) writes: >>And now... for something completely different... a man with three...*CUT* >> >>Help, does Bill Hawes' WSHELL (A wonderfully wonderful product) have >>file-name completion? (I use it so often on the Suns that I miss it greatly >>here.) >Yes, he sure has. And it's the nicest filename completion I've run >across so far. >>I heard somewhere that Wshell comes with a executable Fcomp which will >>accomplish this. But I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I have >>Version 1.05. >Yes. All registered owners of WShell were notified of the upgrade in >December '89 I belive. (Since I betatest WShell for Bill, I don't get >the upgrade notices, so I wouldn't know.) >Now, why should you be able to find it anywhere? People who own the product >get the updates from Bill. People who haven't registered should, since >Bill's support is THE best I've encountered so far. (He even spells my name >and address correctly.) I wouldn't say THE best, for me that goes to Lattice. I had a rather bad experience with WShell and Mr. Hawes' product support. I bought WShell this January as a companion for ARexx and found it to be a nice (but not spectacular) shell. I sent in my registration card and a week later I got a notice (post- marked Jan. 29) that WShell was being updated and I could upgrade for "just" $10 but if I wanted the manual that would be $20 more. That $30 total, and that's what I paid for it not two weeks earlier! I wrote a letter to Mr. Hawes explaining that I bought WShell 1.05 after 1.2 was already available and that I thought it must have been some sort of mistake that I got an old version. I had ordered the package from Lightspeed and they didn't have it in stock so they had to special order it from Mr. Hawes. The only explanation that I can think of is that Mr. Hawes was clearing out his supply of WShell 1.05 and manuals at the same time he was shipping version 1.2. To this date, I have not received any kind of response from Mr. Hawes. That is not what I call support. Product support is more than just sending out update notices. For me that notice was not a courtesy but a way of milking me out of $30 more. I intend to keep writing to Mr. Hawes and I hope he will respond since I would like to have WShell 1.2 but I refuse to shell out an extra $30 for something I should have gotten in the first place. : Todd Allendorf toddal@tybalt.caltech.edu
laba-1ei@e260-3c.berkeley.edu (Joseph Chung) (06/09/90)
In article <1990Jun9.022707.19982@laguna.ccsf.caltech.edu> toddal@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd Allendorf) writes: >I wouldn't say THE best, for me that goes to Lattice. I had a rather bad >experience with WShell and Mr. Hawes' product support. I bought WShell this >January as a companion for ARexx and found it to be a nice (but not spectacular) >shell. I sent in my registration card and a week later I got a notice (post- >marked Jan. 29) that WShell was being updated and I could upgrade for "just" >$10 but if I wanted the manual that would be $20 more. That $30 total, and >that's what I paid for it not two weeks earlier! I asked the original question and since then, have sent in my registration card. Now if it's gonna cost me $30 to upgrade, I would not be a happy customer. Can anyone else confirm this price? -jc -- Joseph Chung == You can always find what you're not looking for! == laba-1ei@web.berkeley.edu
riley@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Daniel S. Riley) (06/10/90)
In article <1990Jun9.022707.19982@laguna.ccsf.caltech.edu> toddal@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd Allendorf) writes: >I wouldn't say THE best, for me that goes to Lattice. I had a rather bad >experience with WShell and Mr. Hawes' product support. I bought WShell this >January as a companion for ARexx and found it to be a nice (but not spectacular) >shell. I sent in my registration card and a week later I got a notice (post- >marked Jan. 29) that WShell was being updated and I could upgrade for "just" >$10 but if I wanted the manual that would be $20 more. That $30 total, and >that's what I paid for it not two weeks earlier! > I wrote a letter to Mr. Hawes explaining that I bought WShell 1.05 >after 1.2 was already available and that I thought it must have been some sort >of mistake that I got an old version. I had ordered the package from Lightspeed >and they didn't have it in stock so they had to special order it from Mr. Hawes. >The only explanation that I can think of is that Mr. Hawes was clearing out his >supply of WShell 1.05 and manuals at the same time he was shipping version 1.2. Several comments... First, are you sure that LightSpeed ordered it from Bill? Usually, these places deal with a distributor, not directly with the author, so I find it far more likely that LightSpeed ordered it out of the warehouse of some distributor, not directly from Bill. Secondly, every update includes full documentation for all new features on the disk, so you don't need the new manual to get documentation for the new features. The offer for the new manual was originally intended for people (like me) who bought pre-release versions before the production documentation was available--Bill didn't expect most people to order it. Thirdly, $30 seems like a pretty reasonable update fee to me, for a package with a new manual. That you got the original package for $30 is irrelevant. It would be nice if he shipped the update disk for free, since you bought WShell after the new release, but at the price Bill sells WShell and ARexx at, I doubt he has much margin to play with. There's a big difference between supporting a $50 product and supporting a $200 product like Lattice. It is uncharacteristic for Bill not to answer. I do get the impression that he's a little busy lately, which may be due to the crunch to get 2.0 (and the ARexx version for 2.0) ready to ship, but that's not an excuse. All I can say is that I have found always found Bill to be helpful and responsive. By all means, write him again and see what happens. Overall, I'd probably rank Bill over Lattice for customer support, largely because he ships products with *far* fewer bugs. But Tomas Rokicki has them both beat. Disclaimer: I have no connection with Bill Hawes except as a satisfied customer. -Dan Riley (riley@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu, cornell!batcomputer!riley) -Wilson Lab, Cornell University