kosma%human-torch@STC.LOCKHEED.COM (Monty Kosma) (06/12/90)
{is tom out there??}
quick question: I'm thinking about finally getting AmigaTeX now that I'm
leaving behind the systems at Lockheed and will have to be doing more
stuff at home (once I buy a printer). How much hard disk space do I need?
Hopefully I can get another one cheaply if I need to...
monty
kosma@human-torch.lasc-research.lockheed.comxanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (06/12/90)
In article <9006112026.AA00442@human-torch.lockheed.com> kosma%human-torch@STC.LOCKHEED.COM (Monty Kosma) writes: >{is tom out there??} >quick question: I'm thinking about finally getting AmigaTeX now that I'm >leaving behind the systems at Lockheed and will have to be doing more >stuff at home (once I buy a printer). How much hard disk space do I need? >Hopefully I can get another one cheaply if I need to... > >monty >kosma@human-torch.lasc-research.lockheed.com Not having a hard disk, I can't answer exactly, but the distribution I bought (AmigaTEX, LaTeX, BibTeX, METAFONT, Epson/NECC Printer driver) occupies 18 AmigaDOS floppies, which if they're all full is just under 16 Meg if you want it all online at once. In addition, you might want that much space again to do rasterized characters. Contrarywise, since most of that is fonts, you could get by with about 5 meg to start, just rasterizing the fonts you need from floppies. Kent, the man from xanth. <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us> -- Kent is back. What more could you want. -- Richard Sexton
@utrcgw.utc.com:mark@ardnt1 (mark) (06/12/90)
Monty, I forwarded your question about AmigaTeX and disk space to someone here at work who has AmigaTeX. Following is his response. I'm also posting this to amiga-relay just in case someone else may be interested. If you have any other questions (about AmigaTeX), you can mail them to me and I'll forward it to Ray or you can mail to Ray directly at RAYBRO%UTRC@utrcgw.utc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Stucky | Email: | | United Technologies Research Center | mark%ardnt1@utrcgw.utc.com | | East Hartford, CT. | mast%utrc@utrcgw.utc.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ on 11 Jun 90 20:26:19 GMT, Monty Kosma <@utrcgw.utc.com:kosma%human-torch@stc.lockheed.COM> said: Monty> {is tom out there??} Monty> quick question: I'm thinking about finally getting AmigaTeX now Monty> that I'm leaving behind the systems at Lockheed and will have to Monty> be doing more stuff at home (once I buy a printer). How much hard Monty> disk space do I need? Hopefully I can get another one cheaply if Monty> I need to... Monty> monty Monty> kosma@human-torch.lasc-research.lockheed.com From RAYBRO%UTRC@utrcgw.utc.com Tue Jun 12 09:54:16 1990 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 90 08:39 EST From: "William R(ay) Brohinsky" <RAYBRO%UTRC@utrcgw.utc.com> Subject: RE: [@utrcgw.utc.com:kosma%human-torch@stc.lockheed.COM: AmigaTeX and disk space] To: mark@ardnt1 X-Vms-To: UTRCGW::IN%"@utrcgw.utc.com:mark@ardnt1" Mark, Please forward this to amiga-relay. to monty<cr>kosma@human-torch.lasc-research.lockheed.com: Yes, tom is really out there. His address is rokicki@neon.stanford.edu and he does answer email. As for hard disk space: AmigaTeX can be operated from a one-disk,512K amiga, within limitations. If you have more memory, great! (It means you can get away with larger documents, but not that you can run bibtex and LaTeX at the same time!). However, I only use about one meg of my hard disk space, at the moment. That is because I use Tom's disk caching scheme. I was using 6M, because I had the high-resolution EPSON FX fonts on the hard drive. When I upgraded to the 300dpi-resolution fonts for my (still yet to arrive) DeskJet Plus, I pulled the epson fonts off the disk, and got back 5meg. I do keep the previewer fonts on the hard disk, and that's most of the meg. I also keep AmigaMETAFONT on the disk, but I'm not counting that. Now, if you don't plan to use LaTeX, you can save considerable hard disk space by not putting lplain.tex, lplain.fmt, lfonts.tex, and all the style files on it. Also, there's a few KB to be saved by not keeping .tex files for AMSTeX, BIBTex, or any of those things on the hard disk, either. As for disk caching: When you start out, you only have to have a file that tells the amiga where to look for fonts. This file contains lines which associate each font size with one of the 5 to 8-or-so floppies which come with the printer driver. When the amiga needs a font, it'll ask for it by name. The names are color1.color2, where color2 tends to follow the resistor color code (black=0,brown=1,red=3,orange,yellow,green,blue,violet,grey,white) and color1 indicates the printer resolution (brown=300dpi, yellow=240x216). NOTE: this only refers to the .pk files! You still need to have the .tfm files on the tex: disk (whether that is assigned to the hard disk subdirectory where all the other tex subdirectories have been copied, or whether you are using the floppies for everything!). This is because TeX uses only the .tfm files to set the pages, and needs only the height, width, kerning, and ligiture information to do it. The drivers need none of that (since TeX has already done that part of the job), but need the .pk files. If you have enabled the font caching, the needed fonts will be requested once. When you provide the proper floppy, the fonts will be copied into the proper directory under tex:fonts (for instance, cmr10 magstep(0), the first font you can expect to be asked for, would be kept in tex:fonts/300 for a laser). Then, the next time that font is used, it will be taken from the hard disk. Thus, you only end up with the fonts on the hard disk that you have actually used, and things go slow only the first time you do them. I have never used anything over magstep(3) that I know of, and that's where the biggest font files come from. Thus, the answer to `how much hard disk storage do I need' is answered: from none to lots! The maximum lots, for someone who uses amigaTeX, amigaMETAFONT, has a laser _and_ a 9=pin printer, and runs the 9-pin at 240x216 and _also_ at the lower resolutions (the numbers escape me) _and_ keeps the previewer fonts on the disk (100dpi), will start around 22Meg, and if he uses a lot of oddball fonts, and has amigaMETAFONT's script set up so that it will generate any needed fonts, that number can grow. I hope that helps. This will probably help more: I have a 20M hard disk. (It's a tecmar T-disk, no less. Belongs in a museum, but since that's what my house is accused of being...) I also run 1.5Meg. I have DMCS, Photon Paint, IMGscan, Cygnus Ed, CrossDos, DiskMan and SID1.6, the structure browser and a few other big pubDom programmer's tools, amigaTeX with all the style and input files (including the Gentle introduction to TeX, which Tom now includes with the manual for amigaTeX), many music files (including Bach's 3rd brandenburg concerto, complete!), and a 300KB file which contains my first novel (well, 3/4th of it...). I have about five meg left free. raybro - raybro%UTRC@utrcgw.utc.com
UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) (06/12/90)
In article <9006112026.AA00442@human-torch.lockheed.com>, kosma%human-torch@STC.LOCKHEED.COM (Monty Kosma) says: > >{is tom out there??} yes. > How much hard disk space do I need? >Hopefully I can get another one cheaply if I need to... > You don't even need one. This is mostly because AmigaTeX has a font cacheing scheme that asks for the right folppy if it cannot find a font, and then copies the font stuff to a working directory. When, over the course of several pieces of work the working directory fills up too much, you can just delete the little used ones. Hard disk is nice, though. lee
charles@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM (Charles Brown) (06/13/90)
> quick question: I'm thinking about finally getting AmigaTeX now > that I'm leaving behind the systems at Lockheed and will have to be > doing more stuff at home (once I buy a printer). How much hard disk > space do I need? > monty None; you can run from floppy. But the more of the floppys you transfer to hard disk, the faster and more convenient it will be. -- Charles Brown charles@cv.hp.com or charles%hpcvca@hplabs.hp.com or hplabs!hpcvca!charles or "Hey you!" Not representing my employer.
alh@hprmokg.HP.COM (Al Harrington) (06/14/90)
I just did a 'du' on my TeX directory (I loaded everything) and it
takes up 12 megs. You could get buy with less than that if you cut
out some of the fonts and utils that you don't use. I'm pretty sure
that I compressed (PowerPacker) most of the TeX binaries too.
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