kuan@iris.ucdavis.edu (Frank [Who me?] Kuan) (06/07/90)
The only reason I ever pick up an Amigaworld is to look at the ads
and occasionally browse through one of those rare interesting articles.
The editor is unprofessional. The articles are shallow and useless.
There are 100 times as many ads as articles. The main focus of the
article is to get a cute title. For example, in last months issue,
they had an article about the new custom ships called "Chip's Ahoy."
I went down to a specialty newsstand, and saw Amiga User
International. It's an Amiga Magazine made in the U.K, and the
size of each page is about 15 percent longer (They make PAL
paper there too?). I used to think America was the center of
the world, but apparently as far as the Amiga goes, we're
second rate. Not only are the articles, ads, and game reviews
a lot more interesting and plentiful, but I noticed from all
the prices that Amigas and peripherals were much more expensive
in England! Think about it. The Amiga is more expensive in
Europe, yet it probably the most popular computer (next to the c64).
While over here, most people still don't know what an Amiga is,
and all the Amiga magazines are pathetic.
The last time I heard, American kids were rated the lowest in
math compared to the other powerful nations. It shows.
In Amiga world, your typical article might be:
"The CLI. Don't be afraid of it!"
- ok boys and girls. You all knows how to use da workbench.
The cli is kind'a like that, but a little more powerful.
"Using Basic to make windows and screens"
- Basic is still probably the most powerful language around,
and this month we'll show you why.
"Amiga world reviews yet another word processor!"
- Yes, we have another eagerly anticipated review of ANOTHER
word processor this month.
"Featuring: An interview with Chris Crawford!"
- Why this man is so successfull
"Amiga world reivews Rob Peck's newest book!"
In Amiga User International, these are the sort of articles that
I came across:
"Dr. Blitter shows you how to create minterms"
- Here is an easy way to expand minterms to use in Blits
instead of going through Karnaugh Maps and Quinne-Mcluskey
methods.
"Giulio Zicchi gives more Quick and dirty tricks"
- This month, we show you by example how to do dual play
fields (article contains 3 pages of assembly).
"Smiddy reviews Argasm"
- Argasm assembles 250,000 lines a minute, which is about
10 times as DevPacII. But it doesn't have a debugger...
So which is better? Find out this month.
"Featuring: An interview with the Bitmap Bros."
- Why are these guys successful?
"This month's book review: Fun things to do with 68000 Assembly"
The scary thing is, Amiga User International may not even be the
best Eurapean publication. I'd be willing to bet there's probably
some German Amiga Magazine with articles like:
"Dieter Sprock shows you how to kill Intuition and write your own OS"
"Jurgen shows you megacoders how to speed floppy 10 times!"{
"Friederic talks about the virtues of writing code in hex."
"America, home of the inept. Helmut explains why stupid Americans
buy IBM's instead of Amigas and program in high level language."
Does anyone know if other European Amiga mags exist here in
America?
Are there any charitable souls out there in der motherland who
would be kind enough to mail me some Amiga mags if I pay shipping?nsw@cbnewsm.att.com (Neil Weinstock) (06/11/90)
In article <7434@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> kuan@iris.ucdavis.edu (Frank [Who me?] Kuan) writes: >The only reason I ever pick up an Amigaworld is to look at the ads >and occasionally browse through one of those rare interesting articles. >The editor is unprofessional. The articles are shallow and useless. >There are 100 times as many ads as articles. The main focus of the [ ... ] Interesting note: I once heard the results of a survey where readers of computer magazines rated ads as one of the top "good things" in the magazines. This was several years back, in reference to some enormously thick issue of Byte. [ ... ] >The scary thing is, Amiga User International may not even be the >best Eurapean publication. I'd be willing to bet there's probably >some German Amiga Magazine with articles like: > >"Dieter Sprock shows you how to kill Intuition and write your own OS" >"Jurgen shows you megacoders how to speed floppy 10 times!"{ >"Friederic talks about the virtues of writing code in hex." [ ... ] "Biff shows you 53 ways to guarantee your program will break on every machine except your own! Seriously, do you view the above list as "good things"? Interesting timing, what with all the multitasking game discussions going on now. Show *me* articles on how to get the most out of the machine without tossing the OS. Show me how to take advantage of everything the machine has to offer. Show me how to make sure my programs will be internationally compatible. Hmm, sounds like Amiga Transactor. :-( - Neil --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-- Neil Weinstock @ AT&T Bell Labs // What was sliced bread att!edsel!nsw or nsw@edsel.att.com \X/ the greatest thing since?
lupe@alanya.Central.Sun.COM (Lupe Christoph - Sun Germany Consulting - Munich) (06/11/90)
This is not entirely fair. The Amiga is much more popular in Europe than in the US of A (no, A is *not* for Amiga. Neither for Atari). If you compare e.g. Unix magazines, you will see the opposite situation. Likewise for PCs. -- | lchristoph@Sun.COM (Internet) | Disclaimer: | | ...!unido!sunmuc!lupe (German EUNet, "bang") | My employer has a | | lupe@sunmuc.UUCP (German EUNet, domain) | non-exclusive license | | ...!suninfo!lchristoph (Sun Germany customers) | to my opinion. |
mofo@bucsf.bu.edu (jason greene) (06/12/90)
I too have picked up AUI many times, but only do it to get the european scheme of things. on many other scales (namely hardware) the magazine is VERY behind others in this country (such as Transactor). It seems as well centered around games. Not to menton, the grammar is downright awful, along with horrible typos, etc. Not a very impressive magazine upon close investigation. Keep in mind as well that Amiga World is designed for primarily those very new to the amiga, and is mostly there to advertise it, not cover it.
i8d417@vaxa.aud.auc.dk (klaus henning s0rensen) (06/12/90)
In article <7434@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> kuan@iris.ucdavis.edu (Frank [Who me?] Kuan) writes: > >I went down to a specialty newsstand, and saw Amiga User >International. It's an Amiga Magazine made in the U.K, and the >size of each page is about 15 percent longer (They make PAL >paper there too?). I used to think America was the center of >the world, but apparently as far as the Amiga goes, we're >second rate. Not only are the articles, ads, and game reviews In my opinion Amiga User International is the best U.K Amiga magazine, but you would knock your head against the wall if you compare it to some of the German offerings, especially Amiga Magazin from Markt und Technik (or something like that) which I regard as the best of the bunch, much more stuff than any other magazine I have seen, and even though the games are there, they are tucked neatly in the end with half a page each instead of a double page with nothing but lousy blown-up screenshots like in AUI. Mind you, half a page in the German magazin equal about one page in AUI due to smaller typeface which too, gives it a more professional look. >some German Amiga Magazine with articles like: > >"Dieter Sprock shows you how to kill Intuition and write your own OS" >"Jurgen shows you megacoders how to speed floppy 10 times!"{ >"Friederic talks about the virtues of writing code in hex." >"America, home of the inept. Helmut explains why stupid Americans >buy IBM's instead of Amigas and program in high level language." Pretty close, but try a six part series on C, machinecode, intuition or whatever, Markt und Technik's got it! >Are there any charitable souls out there in der motherland who >would be kind enough to mail me some Amiga mags if I pay shipping? Well, I would have, but my account is closing tomorrow :-( I hope someone else will show you what amiga magazines _can_ be like. Cheers, Klaus Henning Sorensen Aalborg University Center Denmark
vinsci@soft.fi (Leonard Norrgard) (06/14/90)
If you want to read a quality Amiga magazine, learn some german and get Amiga Markt & Technik, published by Markt & Technik. Somehow a german version of Amiga World is still alive somewhere behind A M&T, don't ask me how that can be... Probably because Amiga Welt (ie. the german Amiga World) has a large multinational publisher behind it. A M&T is by far the best Amy magazine I have seen. They cover everything from hardware to software, beginner to advanced, cheap to expensive, business applications, graphics, programming -- you name it. This may sound like the magazine's an unbalanced mess, but it isn't: it's thick. This is not a review & standard disclaimers apply. -- Vinsci
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod ) (06/15/90)
vinsci@soft.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes: >If you want to read a quality Amiga magazine, learn some german and get >Amiga Markt & Technik, published by Markt & Technik. Somehow a german version >of Amiga World is still alive somewhere behind A M&T, don't ask me how that >can be... Probably because Amiga Welt (ie. the german Amiga World) has a large >multinational publisher behind it. A M&T is by far the best Amy magazine I have >seen. They cover everything from hardware to software, beginner to advanced, >cheap to expensive, business applications, graphics, programming -- you name >it. This may sound like the magazine's an unbalanced mess, but it isn't: >it's thick. I think the German magazine 'Kickstart' is much better, especially because they are not that dependent on Commodore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, West Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------
anneb@ai.etl.army.mil (Anne Brink) (06/15/90)
people laud European Amiga magazines in <several articles>: i.e. >>If you want to read a quality Amiga magazine, learn some german and get >>Amiga Markt & Technik, published by Markt & Technik. >I think the German magazine 'Kickstart' is much better, especially >because they are not that dependent on Commodore. Can these be found at your basic US international newsstand? Or does one have to have a "source" in Europe? Could you provide publisher information? Vielen Dank! -Anne -- #################################||############################################ Anne Brink: anneb@etl.army.mil ||U.S.Army Engineer Topographic Labs ...!uunet!etl.army.mil!anneb ||Ft. Belvoir, VA 22060-5546 -- #################################||############################################ Anne Brink: anneb@etl.army.mil ||U.S.Army Engineer Topographic Labs ...!uunet!etl.army.mil!anneb ||Ft. Belvoir, VA 22060-5546 #################################||############################################
alf@xenon.stgt.sub.org (Ingo Feulner) (06/29/90)
In article <800@cbmehq.UUCP> gunda@cbmehq.UUCP (Gunda O'Neal ESCO) writes: >Distribution for AMIGA Magazin in the U.S.: >M & T Publishing, Inc. >501 Galveston Drive, Redwood City >CA 94063 >Phone (415) 366-3600 > > >AmigaWelt (German version of AmigaWorld) is more or less a >"rumor mill", writing lots of whateveryounameitbutcanttellfacts. Sorry, but, in my opinion, the "Amiga Magazin" isn't even much better. >Gunda O'Neal, Assistant -Ingo. -- Ingo Feulner - alf@xenon.stgt.sub.org Wolfacher Weg 22 - 7030 Boeblingen - (+49) 7031 272691 - West Germany Love your enemies. It'll make 'em crazy. AMIGA - the only way to go!