robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) (06/30/90)
I've tired of reading racist statements on the Net. Do we have to put
upt with this outflow of biggotry against Iranians? What if someone had
said "All Blacks are xxxxxx" or "Jews are yyyyy"? Why don't all these
folks who are responding to the misplaced appeal for aid for earthquake
victims just go to their KKK meetings and leave us alone. Better, shouldn't
there be rules against making racist statements on the Net?
Racism doesn't help the murdered folks on Iran Air or Pan Am or KAL, it
just adds to the possibility that these tragedies will be repeated.
--
Robert Moldenhauer One People
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Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please!
BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDUhstroma@hubcap.clemson.edu (hepburn m stroman) (07/02/90)
Damn, I swore I wouldn't post on this again, but these overgeneralizations really bug me. Here goes... From article <1412@madnix.UUCP>, by robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer): > I've tired of reading racist statements on the Net. Do we have to put > upt with this outflow of biggotry against Iranians? What if someone had > said "All Blacks are xxxxxx" or "Jews are yyyyy"? Why don't all these > folks who are responding to the misplaced appeal for aid for earthquake > victims just go to their KKK meetings and leave us alone. I don't agree with those statements either, but to label all who oppose aid to Iran as KKK bigots is unfair and inaccurate. > Better, shouldn't > there be rules against making racist statements on the Net? _NO_. You can't legislate (in this case regulate) what people think. The majority will recogonize racist drivel for what it is. The first amendment (USA) guarantees the right to free speech. If we try to limit it to "politically correct" speech, we start down a dangerous path. > Racism doesn't help the murdered folks on Iran Air or Pan Am or KAL, it > just adds to the possibility that these tragedies will be repeated. can you support this claim? > > -- > Robert Moldenhauer One People > U.S. Snail: 30 Lathrop St., One Planet > Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please! > BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDU disclaimer: I support aid to Iran (cf previous post) and therefore am not one of the "racists" Robert is objecting to Now, if anyone feels the need to respond to this, let's do it thru email or in soc.culture.iran. This discussion does not belong here. (Yes, I know I am breaking my own rule, but this is _the last_ post I shall make on the subject). Hepburn M Stroman aka hstroma@hubcap.clemson.edu
gall@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Norm Gall) (07/02/90)
robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: | I've tired of reading racist statements on the Net. Do we have to put | upt with this outflow of biggotry against Iranians? What if someone had | said "All Blacks are xxxxxx" or "Jews are yyyyy"? The constant misuse of the term Racism will do mroe to spark discontent than anything else. Saying "All Canadians are xxx" is a much different claim than saying "All Blacks are yyy" or "All Muslims are zzz". Those who don't see this distinction are asked to think about the concept of 'race' and whether physical location alone is criterion enough to make a distinction. nrg -- "It is not the task of philosophy to affirm or deny the existence of things, but rather to clarify what assertions or denials of existence signify, if anything." -- PMS Hacker
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (07/02/90)
In article <1412@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: > Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac >I've tired of reading racist statements on the Net. Do we have to put >upt with this outflow of biggotry against Iranians? What if someone had >said "All Blacks are xxxxxx" or "Jews are yyyyy"? Why don't all these >folks who are responding to the misplaced appeal for aid for earthquake >victims just go to their KKK meetings and leave us alone. Better, shouldn't >there be rules against making racist statements on the Net? >Racism doesn't help the murdered folks on Iran Air or Pan Am or KAL, it >just adds to the possibility that these tragedies will be repeated. Sigh. It's bad enough when you post the message on inappropriate groups. It is worse when you pose a Call For Censorship on ONLY inappropriate groups. Discussion about earthquake: Honor the Followup-- soc.culture.iran Discussion about racism/net censorship: talk.politics.misc. Nothing: comp.sys.* -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu ][, ][+, ///, ///+, //e, //c, IIGS, //c+ --- Any questions? Hey! Bush has NO LIPS!
petrilli@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli) (07/02/90)
In article <1412@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >I've tired of reading racist statements on the Net. Do we have to put >upt with this outflow of biggotry against Iranians? What if someone had >said "All Blacks are xxxxxx" or "Jews are yyyyy"? Why don't all these >folks who are responding to the misplaced appeal for aid for earthquake >victims just go to their KKK meetings and leave us alone. Better, shouldn't >there be rules against making racist statements on the Net? >Racism doesn't help the murdered folks on Iran Air or Pan Am or KAL, it >just adds to the possibility that these tragedies will be repeated. > If more importantly, and I'm violating this, but I see it as being paramount, can we have a rule concerning where things get posted. The call for help for Iran was uncalled for on all the comp.* areas, and should have been elsewhere. I read 50 copies of it, and feel it an undue burden on the traffic. No there shouldn't be a rule against free speech! If you want to be racist, and show your true "colors" (pun intended), go ahead. I now know more about you then before. Racism help noone, but neither does abridging free speech. Apologize to all system administrators and systems for the misplaced comment. + Chris Petrilli "Opinons represented here | University of Texas at Austin do not necessarily | INTERNET: petrilli@vondrake.cc.utexas.edu represent those of a sane | SNAILMAIL: 429 Brady Lane, Austin, Texas, 78746 person. Take them as + PHONE: +1 512 327 0986 simply that."