peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (06/27/90)
Maybe others already realized, but sometimes I feel really stupid... I had BIG problems with AmigaBASIC on the A3000 and found now the simple solution: just use NoFastMem before! Don't know why I just didn't try this one already weeks before. And as you have 1 MB Chip RAM on an A3000 (expandable to 2 MB), this is not such a great limit. So now I know how to survive the time until an updated version of AmigaBASIC will be released. To give the details: This is true for the latest OS revision B6, KS 36.141, WB 36.68. Was tried with all programs of the Extras BasicDemos. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ rutgers!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) (06/30/90)
In-Reply-To: message from peterk@cbmger.UUCP Another problem with AmigaBASIC is that it didn't allow for 32bit RAM addressing...funny how MicroSoft, of all companies, didn't follow the rules that say make no assumptions about the users system. Sean s //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// UUCP: ...!crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc | ARPA: !crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc@nosc.mil | " Fanatics have their INET: seanc@pro-party.cts.com | dreams, wherewith they | weave a paradise for RealWorld: Sean Cunningham | a sect. " Voice: (512) 994-1602 PLINK: ce3k* | -Keats | Call C.B.A.U.G. BBS (512) 883-8351 w/SkyPix | B^) VISION GRAPHICS B^) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
rjz@martian.UUCP (Robert J. Zepeda) (06/30/90)
>In article <3348@crash.cts.com> seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from peterk@cbmger.UUCP > >Another problem with AmigaBASIC is that it didn't allow for 32bit RAM >addressing...funny how MicroSoft, of all companies, didn't follow the rules >that say make no assumptions about the users system. > >Sean > I have had to work with Microsoft products for several years now. The one thing that is consistant in their IBM products is their insistance on not following even their own rules. Why should their Amiga product be any different. A quite that I heard at a trade show seems to sum up the attitude of Microsoft. "They be Microsoft, they know what people want to buy. Those people that do not know this, are stupid." -- -Jim- ***************************************************************************** * Jim Zepeda UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!martian!rjz * * C.T.A.C.S. -- Central Texas Amiga Computer Society * * Any opinions are my own. My employer can speak for itself. * *****************************************************************************
dan@oresoft.com (Daniel Elbaum) (07/04/90)
In article <3348@crash.cts.com> seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) writes:
:Another problem with AmigaBASIC is that it didn't allow for 32bit RAM
:addressing...funny how MicroSoft, of all companies, didn't follow the rules
:that say make no assumptions about the users system.
Microsoft, of all companies, is notorious for making assumptions
about the user's system.
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({uunet,tektronix,reed,sun!nosun,m2xenix}!oresoft!(dan)@oresoft.com)hamish@waikato.ac.nz (07/04/90)
In article <3348@crash.cts.com>, seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) writes: > In-Reply-To: message from peterk@cbmger.UUCP > > Another problem with AmigaBASIC is that it didn't allow for 32bit RAM > addressing...funny how MicroSoft, of all companies, didn't follow the rules You haven't used microsoft products very often have you? Lucky person. Did you know that Microsofts excel 1.0 for the MAC suffers from the same problem. It has to be loaded in the first 1 meg of ram to work. Rumour has it that when they ported it from the PC, they left in the 640k limit. After all who will ever need more. Microsoft have a knack of determining exactly what the user wants, whether the user actually wants it or not. Apple had to write multifinder so it could recognise excel1.0 and load it in the first 1meg automatically so that it would work. Other wonderful achievements in microsoft products are. Excel is the only product that tests for a mathschip in a mac and fails if there is a 68882 instead of a 68881. They didn't follow the guidelines and test a system bit, they performed an exception and checked the stack frame. The 68882 is different from the 881 and so they don't see a chip at all. The networked version of windows comes WITHOUT the special kernel.exe file necessary for Novell. While this may be OK, none of the manuals mention it and you don't find out what the out of memory errors really are (an error in programming) until you ring and inquire. Then they send the correct file out by floppy. (I must admit once that was sorted out, it got here within a day) I'm still installing word5.9, so don't know if my problems there are from me or them. > that say make no assumptions about the users system. > > Sean > > s > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > UUCP: ...!crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc | > ARPA: !crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc@nosc.mil | " Fanatics have their > INET: seanc@pro-party.cts.com | dreams, wherewith they > | weave a paradise for > RealWorld: Sean Cunningham | a sect. " > Voice: (512) 994-1602 PLINK: ce3k* | -Keats > | > Call C.B.A.U.G. BBS (512) 883-8351 w/SkyPix | B^) VISION GRAPHICS B^) > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ All in all I say it's great that microsoft DON'T put out anything for the amiga Instead of upgrading AmigaBasic, Commodore should put out a different language, that has more structure to it. eg Pascal or Modula-2. AND before all you basic freaks :) flame me, basic won't be structured until it has everything a good Algol type language has, and then it won't be basic any more. A language that will let you jump (ie GOTO) out of a loop, at any time, to anywhere you like is a bad language. (Please don't include assembler here! 8) -- ============================================================================== | Hamish Marson | Internet hamish@waikato.ac.nz | | Computer Support Person | Phone (071)562889 xt 8181 | | Computer Science Department | Amiga 3000 for ME! | | University of Waikato | | ============================================================================== |Disclaimer: Anything said in this message is the personal opinion of the | | finger hitting the keyboard & doesn't represent my employers | | opinion in any way. (ie we probably don't agree) | ==============================================================================
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (07/04/90)
In article <921.2691c80d@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes: > >AND before all you basic freaks :) flame me, basic won't be structured until >it has everything a good Algol type language has, and then it won't be basic >any more. A language that will let you jump (ie GOTO) out of a loop, at any >time, to anywhere you like is a bad language. (Please don't include assembler >here! 8) Ah, you didn't see Real World Algol 60 programs, did you? They have GOTO's and they damned well jump just into loops and blocks like hell. Things I would never dare to do in any other language (safe Assembler). I speak about official numerical subroutines for polynomial equations provided by our university, source of these programs unknown to me. In fact, it *IS* possible to write AmigaBasic sources of >50 KB with *NO* GOTO (though that leads to use of MANY additional flag variables and such stuff). It always depends on the person using a language whether it will be structured in the end or not. I believe you can do fully unreadable coding in Pascal, and clearly structured Basic with many GOTO's on the other side. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ rutgers!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk