stoller@cbmcel.UUCP (Martin S. Stoller) (06/26/90)
In article <1990Jun25.233018.9926@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: >In article <2227@mindlink.UUCP> a72@mindlink.UUCP (Raman Anand) writes: >>> ehm1@CC.MsState.Edu writes: >>> Msg-ID: <535@ra.MsState.Edu> >>> Posted: 25 Jun 90 14:16:16 GMT >>> Org. : Mississippi State University >>> Person: Eddie Mikell >>> This has to be a joke, isn't it? >>> How about trading some aid for some of our hostages back? >>I'm sure the innocent people didn't have anything to do with the hostages. >>Raman >Actually, this is incorrect. The "innocent people" participated in a >government that took hostages, persecuted Bahai's, sent children into >battle and hanged thousands of dissenters. Every people, it has been >long agreed, have the government they deserve. >All that said, I'd _still_ send aid. The biggest boost the American >way of life ever gets in undeveloped countries is that "USA" stamped >on the sides of bags of flour sent for disaster or famine relief. >One such bag is worth a hundred diplomatic missions or CIA intrigues. >Kent, the man from xanth. ><xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us> >Thanks for your answer. It explained it all. -- Dolf Grunbauer As I said, we Swiss are already on the front (I didn't say it, but oh well...) as RED CROSS. What does this dicussion have to do with the AMIGA ? SIMPLE! The less people there are ,the less potential AMIGA USERS there will be (WAHHH!) I wonder if an old C64 would help them ?????? Send AID, but let's put pressure on the government anyhow, telling it we'll brainwash all the people to buy AMIGAS if they don't behave from now on... {This posting is only partly serious. I was hoping people would read it if I made it a bit gruesome...} Oh, and don't stamp USA on the bags, stamp USA & AMIGA on the bags *>;-> Ok Ok... Next time I'll post to something.somewhat.arrgg ... And NO, I won't give my path, SO THERE! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Martin S. Stoller, Technical Support Assistant | | Commodore Electronics Limited (CEL), Switzerland | | 'We maveric maniacal programmers must be marvelous...' | | ...the deamomnd ring... | | See ya... Martin S. Stoller | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
burton@mitisft.Convergent.COM (Philip Burton) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: >In article <31145@cup.portal.com> Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: >>>This is a global call for humanitarian aid for the earthquake stricken >>>people of northern Iran. >>> >>> >>Sorry chum. My motto is "What goes around, comes around." I would really >>just prefer to sit back and watch them suffer. >> >>What right the U.S. has to interfere with Iranian politics notwithstanding, > the magnitude of pain and suffering. You are probably too ignorant > You sound like a real ASSHOLE. > -------- > S. Alavi Sorry, it is your entire country that has appeared to the entire human race to be , to quote you, "ASSHOLES." The fact is that for years your country has been one of the world's greatest exponents of hate and intolerance in the 20th century, after Hitler, of course. I don't agree with the cavalier response that you are objecting to. But, given the mouthings off of that hateful man, the Ayatollah Khomeini, who WILL be judged by history to be a peer of Hitler and Stalin, and much worse than Shah, just what do you expect??? Your country preaches genocide under the guise of religion. Fortunately, I know enough Muslims to know better. Frankly, I wish the earthquake had hit Teheran and Qum, and destroyed all the nests of hate-mongerers !!!
tomr@ashtate (Tom Rombouts) (06/27/90)
In article <31145@cup.portal.com> Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: >>This is a global call for humanitarian aid for the earthquake stricken >>people of northern Iran. >> >Yeah, I was laughing my socks off. [ remainder of response deleted ] This was a horrible posting, and I hope none of the thousands who must have read it takes it as representing Americans in general. The earth has only finite resources for us to share, and we must learn to look beyond our ultimately minor racial or ethnic differences if we are to survive much longer. (Please pardon this editorial bandwidth.) Tom Rombouts Torrance Techie Voice: (213) 538-7108.
hamish@waikato.ac.nz (06/27/90)
In article <2869@uniol.UUCP>, thumburg@uniol.UUCP (Thomas Humburg) writes: > cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: > >>In article <535@ra.MsState.Edu> ehm1@CC.MsState.Edu (Eddie Mikell) writes: >>>This has to be a joke, isn't it? >>> >>>How about trading some aid for some of our hostages back? > >>This is ridiculous. This comes from the same country that always >>publicly calls us THE GREAT SATAN. They made their bed, now they >>have to lie in it. Give 'em aid when we get our people back and not >>any sooner. > > Who do you think you are ? God ? > With this opinion you must also say, that murderes who are in prison don't > have the right to get any medical help. If they become ill its there fault. > They shouldn't have killed someone if they want to get help. > > Don't you see how stupid and inhumanity your positon is ? > If doctors react like you it would be very difficult for you to get any help > from them, if you had made the 'fault' to criticise or to blame them for > doing something wrong. OK. I'm going to keep out of the fight with Iran. My taxes already made up part of the donation our government made. (BTW Did you see that even Salmund Rushdi [i think thats how you spell it] has made a $15,000 donation). #warning! Thought provoking question ahead But back to the story. If somebody raped your daughter/wife/sister, would you want them to have medical help? Ask yourself that. It's trendy liberals who want to do good to criminals that are causing repeated crimes. #endwarning BTW This has nothing to do with Iran, I don't class them as convicted rapist's murders etc, or even know of any acts of terrorism committed by them. Try giving them some help, and they might just surprise you. I think that if you pissed me off enough that I would call you names as well. > > Help an humanity is independent from them person who needs help. It only > depends on you. Help and humanity is something you must have to help and not > the person who needs the help. (Even YOU (or a NAZI, Murder ...) would get > help from me if you need it ). Hmm... Don't know if I would help a murderer. Apart from with suicide that is. -- ============================================================================== | Hamish Marson | Internet hamish@waikato.ac.nz | ============================================================================== |Disclaimer: Anything said in this message is the personal opinion of the | | finger hitting the keyboard & doesn't represent my employers | | opinion in any way. (ie we probably don't agree) | ==============================================================================
reddy@uts.amdahl.com (T.S. Reddy) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun26.173419.26801@amd.com> phil@pepsi.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: >In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: >| You are probably too ignorant >| to know that it is only a handfull of fanatics who were responsible >| for the hostage taking and the terroris acts. > >But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent >and the aid of the government. > >Perhaps not every Iranian is responsible, but I wonder if you >would forgive and forget a nation that was still holding some >of your people hostage? > >-- >Phil Ngai, phil@amd.com Not to nitpick, but you seem to conveniently forget the fact that the U.S. Government held the whole of Iran hostage prior to the Islamic revolution by bringing about the downfall of the democratically elected Mossadegh government in the 1950s and propping up the unpopular Shah for so long. And the hostage taking was precipitated by the U.S. allowing the Shah into this country when they wanted him to stand trial in Iran. I don't remember the U.S. apologizing to Iran for this. I don't care much for the present Iranian government. It came to power by reaping the fruits of the anti-Shah sentiment, and as with most revolutionary governments, it has failed miserably in delivering a better life to the people, but at least it has brought a certain amount of dignity to the people of Iran. I would suggest that anyone with a jingoistic bent of mind read up on the relationship between Iran and the U.S. in the latter part of the 20th century before forming opinions and not to lap up whatever the popular press puts out in the name of journalism on Iran. -- T.S.Reddy uucp:...!{ames,decwrl,uunet,pyramid,sun}!amdahl!reddy INTERNET: reddy@uts.amdahl.com
dong@wam.umd.edu (Dong Chen) (06/27/90)
Hi,can you guys send mail to each other. I am not interested in any of these fight at all!!! I hate to see all the same flames goes to every news group I read. I don't think most of the netters like these. NO FLAME HERE. If you have any flame to me, send me mail, don't post here. 8-(
phorgan@cup.portal.com (Patrick John Horgan) (06/27/90)
To: those who want to make blanket political boneheaded remarks
toward inhabitants of whole countries.
Please keep your political opinions out of the comp.sys....groups.
I'm sure most of the injured are no more political than most
Americans...Judging all of them based on a few loud mouths would
be like judging all of us based on a few of the loud mouths in
this group...unfair. Sorry to waste the bandwidth, but couldn't
let the cruel heartlessness pass unheeded.
Patrick Horgan phorgan@cup.portal.comfsdmb3@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (BRAUN DAVID M) (06/27/90)
In article <1517@mitisft.Convergent.COM>, burton@mitisft.Convergent.COM (Philip Burton) writes... >In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: >>In article <31145@cup.portal.com> Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: >>>>This is a global call for humanitarian aid for the earthquake stricken >>>>people of northern Iran. >>>> >>>Sorry chum. My motto is "What goes around, comes around." I would really >>>just prefer to sit back and watch them suffer. >>> >>>What right the U.S. has to interfere with Iranian politics notwithstanding, >> the magnitude of pain and suffering. You are probably too ignorant > >Your country preaches genocide under the guise of religion. Fortunately, I >know enough Muslims to know better. > Excuse me! but what does this have to do with computers?? take this discusion, if it could be called that, to ALT.politics or something! ~~--BrainWave--~~
chad@norge.enet.dec.com (06/27/90)
> In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: > | You are probably too ignorant > | to know that it is only a handfull of fanatics who were responsible > | for the hostage taking and the terroris acts. > > But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent > and the aid of the government. > > Perhaps not every Iranian is responsible, but I wonder if you > would forgive and forget a nation that was still holding some > of your people hostage? I also seem to remember that there are rallies held where *the people* get out and cheer on as the US is called the great Satan. This is nonsense that it is only a few wierdo terrorists. (I am not implying that *every* citizen there is a terrorist, only that many the people seem to support there government and terrorist actions. However, that is no reason for us to not send aid to the people. When the people see the aid and that "The Great Satan" sent it, they may begin to see that their government has been deceiving them. Example is better than words. Let us set the example. Chad chad@norge.enet.dec.com Vi elsker dette landet! --------------------------------------------------------------
wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) (06/27/90)
The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their tiraids up here.
tusneem@ecn.purdue.edu (Irfan) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu> wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) writes: > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their >tiraids up here. I am personally sick and tired of reading flames on this newsgroup. The person writing the above statement seems to know God quite well since he is so sure they are going to hell. Hey if someone has pissed you off take it out on them don't waste money by posting your opinions on a newsgroup that is not meant for them. Cause I and many others don't want to hear them. This goes for everyone who is replying to the mail. If you got problems with this message reply directly to me and don't waste money by posting it every machine in the world. REMINDER: this group is misc.forsale not alt.flame so lets keep it that way or will that be asking too much.
rbirch@pase60.Convergent.Com (Robert Birch) (06/27/90)
In article <31145@cup.portal.com> Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: >Yeah, I was laughing my socks off. >Sorry chum. My motto is "What goes around, comes around." Very true... i hope you're ready when it comes around to you. -rdb
vma@wpi.wpi.edu (Vahid Motevalli) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun25.175521.26947@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >In article <535@ra.MsState.Edu> ehm1@CC.MsState.Edu (Eddie Mikell) writes: >>This has to be a joke, isn't it? >> ********** >>How about trading some aid for some of our hostages back? > >This is ridiculous. This comes from the same country that always >publicly calls us THE GREAT SATAN. They made their bed, now they >have to lie in it. Give 'em aid when we get our people back and not >any sooner. > >Cheers, > >Chris > >------------------------------+--------------------------- >Chris Mauritz |Donde hay una cerveza >cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |hay un plan. >(c)All rights reserved. | >Send flames to /dev/null |El Guerrero Aereo es el rey! >------------------------------+--------------------------- Well, here we have it. Americans placing a price on human life. Let me ask how much "aid" will you give for each of "your hostages" in Lebonon. Thoughts from those like you are probably unworthy of response. However, in light of the general negative feelings of American public, their lack of concern and response and much less media coverage than similar catastrophies, I will make the following comments. 1. The essential problem in the attitude of such "ignorant jerks" (as was used in a previous article) is that they simply extent the political responsibilities onto the Iranian people. This is legitimate only if those people have had full knowledge and choice over the actions of their government. 2. The general lack of knwledge of the history of Iran-U.S. relations over the past 50 yrs. 3. A biased attitude and double standard toward the value of life and worthiness of beings not from western countries. 4. Failure to react on human terms or basis of Judeo-Christian ethics when confronted with a human tragedy. So, if you and unfortunately a vast number of American public wish to bring politics into this human tragedy and distribute responsibilities for political events among the earthquake victims, let us have reciprocity. If those 50000 Iranians killed were responsible for the hostages in the American embassy and those in Lebenon, then you as American tax-payers, voters in a "democratic" society are responsible for the following: 1. The CIA sponsored coup that toppled the nationalistic government of Dr. Mossadegh in 1953. This coup was directly managed by Mr. Kermit Roosevelt, nephew to president Roosevelt. As a result of this coup, the Shah was brought back to power. The CIA subsequently halped the formation of SAVAK the nutorious secret police of Iran which was equal to the KGB . 2. The Shah and his tyrranic (i.e. undemocratic) rule was supported by the U.S. for over 25 years. 3. Ironically, it was the U.S. manuvering that made it possible for Khomeini to assume power since the U.S., in it's usual shortsited foreign policy, did not want any leftists to take power in Iran. So, should we Iranians hold you and those like you individually responsible for acts like this that have altered our lives fantastically, has resulted in much suffering and loss of life? The American governments mentallity toward value of life is quite evident when the Lebenon situation is reviewed. When the 251 marines were killed in Lebenon, the battleship New Jersy went on an indiscriminate shelling of the Bekka valley in revenge. Each of its shells from the 16" guns can level an area the size of a football field. Was there a concern for loss of innocent lives there. No, because the 251 american lives were measured to be much higher than hundreds of civilians (as opposed to military). The response and reaction of americans in the shooting down of the Iranian jetliner over the Persian gulf, as opposed to shooting down of the Korean airliner 007 by the Soviet Union, is another vivid example. Finally, a famed persian poet, Sa'di, says: Humans are like different parts of single body, in creation When, one part of the body is in pain due to play of nature, other body parts can not rest in peace. This verse is written on U.N. headquarter building. I translated from persian and have not done justice to the poem, but you can understand the general meaning, but again make likes of you will never understand. That is the difference between human beings and lowest form of life (i.e. fungui). Hoping for your elevation to higher forms of life so that you shall not be stepped on in your next life. Work on it. With best wishes Vahid
tad@ssc.UUCP (Tad Cook) (06/28/90)
In article <31145@cup.portal.com>, Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: > I will have nothing to do with terrorists. I am especially loathe to have > any dealings with a nation of terrorists. What was it about seven generations? So what do the folks suffering in the villages have to do with "terrorism"? The USA exported terrorism to Central America when it funded the Contras. I didn't hear any outcry from the international community to halt aid to earthquake victims in San Franciso because the folks injured in the quake were "terrorists." > Tad Cook Seattle, WA Packet: KT7H @ N7HFZ.WA.USA.NA Phone: 206/527-4089 MCI Mail: 3288544 Telex: 6503288544 MCI UW USENET:...uw-beaver!sumax!amc-gw!ssc!tad or, tad@ssc.UUCP
ronnie@eddie.mit.edu (Ron Schnell) (06/28/90)
An open letter to cups!Sullivan: I am writing this in case you don't realize already that you are a Nazi, and so you can look up your local chapter, or look at yourself and do something about it. By wishing (or worse enjoying) death of over 30,000 (let's say for the sake of your completely bogus argument that 10,000 of the people killed were not innocent and had each killed at least one American), you have adopted the terrorist frame of mind to the same degree as the terrorists of which you speak! Many of the terrorists claim that the reason they perform terrorist acts is to get back at the shooting down of the Iranian A300...sound familiar? Of course it does, it sounds like you, except the opposite...you want to see innocent people die because of someone else's terrorist actions...you are even more of a terrorist/radical. No I am not Iranian/Middle Eastern/Far Eastern. I am American and Jewish, so I do not have any great liking towards the Iranian Government. I also will not be sending any money over there. However, I am not terribly ashamed to say that I am DEEPLY saddened by the loss of life from this Earthquake. I am proud to say that I am GREATLY disgusted by your comments. I am not arguing against your right to free speech...if you already realize you are a Nazi, then you already know everything I have said. I am just writing this so that you can realize what a jerk you are and maybe think about it more logically. #Ron Ron Schnell ronnie@eddie.mit.edu Please pardon the newsgroups.
ted@cs.utexas.edu (Ted Woodward) (06/28/90)
I did not include the previous article here because it was too big, and too self-riteous. (sp?) Vahid, dude, get a life. He mentioned all the horrible things the US did to Iran the past 50 years, etc etc. He also mentioned the New Jersey shelling the Bekhaa (sp?) Valley in response to the 250+ US Marines killed in Lebanon. And the shooting down of the Iranian Airbus. Look, you dolt, 251 US Marines ARE worth 'hundreds' of civillians. In case you didn't notice, those were HUNDREDS of Marines!!! And they were there to keep the peace, not to attack anyone! And they get attacked by a CIVILLIAN in a truck!!!!! I don't know what you think, but I think erasing 8 battalions of Syrian artillery was a DAMN good response. If there are civillians in the vicinity of the gun emplacements, TOUGH! They should have moved when the guns got there! Think about this--it's perfectly OK, in the eyes of the Iranian regime (at the time; perhaps now too) to take accredited diplomats hostage, and to kill 251 Marines like that, but ANY attack by the US against anything of theirs is to be condemned...BULLSHIT! That's just saying that anything I do to you is OK, but if you do the same thing to me, it's horrible and the act of Satan! I don't recall Germany condemning the Normandy invasion...if you are going to treat it like a war, prepare to accept attack! And DON'T be hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!! Now, on to the hostages. You didn't mention them. Hmm, why not? Let me tell you, I used to live in Pakistan and Afghaninstan, and I've been to Iran a few times. My father was with the Embassy in Kabul and the Consulate in Karachi. We were in DC when all this happenned, and he heard a radio commentator say "nuke 'em till they glow". He called up and totally agreed with that guy, and my father is NOT into gunboat diplomacy or anything like that. Taking a diplomatic mission hostage is an unforgivable act of WAR, and we should have done something about it. Carter had the right idea with the rescue mission, but the idiot planners should have put 1 person in overall command and issued common radios. My favorite phrase-"nuke 'em till they glow; use their assholes for landing lights". Believe me, I've known MANY Moslems, and most of them were NOTHING like the kooks that were/are in Iran... And now to the Airbus tragedy. Yes, it was a tragedy. But how can Iran act so damn indignant about it when they gleefully bomb the Pan Am flight and take the hostages...geez, guys, be prepared to take what you are shoveling. And to compare it to KAL 007 is rediculous--the Soviets did not use international frequencies to contact the plane, and did not do the obvious tactic of flying IN FRONT of the canopy so the pilots can see your engine flames. Besides, they had visual observation, and a 747 does not look a THING like anything else, especially not like an RC-135! The Vincennes was under attack by speedboats, and a plane that is sending back F-14 IFF signals just took off from a MILITARY airbase and is heading straight towards you, ignoring your orders to shear off. (And if you don't think Vincennes should be ordering that plane, you just try to fly a plane that has an IFF response of a fighter towards anybody's naval ship during a battle and low cloud cover and see what happens...) Do you know somebody tried to kill his wife in California? So much for the old Moslem traditions of men not shooting at women... (In old battles in Afghanistan, at least, the women fighting wore red pants so men would not shoot at them, only women could shoot at other women.) ARGH, dude, get a life! Geez, you are saying that Iran can do WHATEVER it wants to the US and US citizens because we installed the Shah 40 years ago. And that the Embassy hostage taking was OK because we let an old, sick man in the country for medical attention. I didn't see the Shah attacking France when they let Khomeini in, did you? Followups to alt.flame, to get this BULLSHIT out of the comp.sys heirarchy. PS--I think ALL the fanatics in this world, on all sides, should be locked in a big room and allowed to kill each other. Perhaps then we will get a little peace... -- Ted Woodward (ted@cs.utexas.edu) Greetings, Royal Ugly Dudes!
dan@china.uu.net (Dan Williams) (06/28/90)
Help I am being burried in earthquake debris in my comp.sys.amiga newsgroup -- | Dan Williams (uunet!china!dan) | FRP: It's not just a game, | | MCDONNELL DOUGLAS | it's an adventure! | | Denver CO | "Of course thats just my opinion" |
crs@lambda.UUCP (Charlie Sorsby) (06/28/90)
Is this adolescent bickering really appropriate to this newsgroup? I haven't really been following the thread but checked to see if it had reached the sort of nonsense that I expected it would and, YUP!, it sure had. Com'on, guys. This is supposed to be about, you know, computers and stuff. Charlie
mike@DRD.Com (Mike Rovak) (06/28/90)
wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) wrote: } } The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their } tiraids up here. "Except you repent, you shall ALL likewise perish." - Luke 13:3b "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23 "If you confess with your mouth the Lordship of Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved." - Romans 10:9 "He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is Love. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another." - 1 John 4:8-11 'Nuff said? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ======================================================================== "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mike@DRD.Com DRD Corporation uunet!apctrc!drd!mike (918) 743-3013 ========================================================================
cp26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Thomas Parker) (06/28/90)
Ummm...People? I understand that the Iranian "situation" (for lack of a better term at the moment) is both sensitive and personal to many people. However, the "discussion" (read that as "flaming") currently happening on the net is not appropriate to the newsgroups that it is being posted in. I post this here to make sure that all of you see it, and hopefully realize this. The person who posted the call for help originally has apologized for posting in inappropriate newsgroups, and has requested that things get redirected. I'm reading comp.sys.mac for information about my macintosh, and also on the off chance that I might be able to help someone with a problem with their machine. It's a waste of bandwidth for you guys to be flaming/discussing/doing whatever on this board and other comp.sys.<insert system here> boards. Please, the newsgroups are set up in >groups< for a reason: it's so that people looking for specific information know where to look. If I want to hear about this, I'll read netnews.soc.culture.iranian or alt.flames for the argument. All I'm asking, and I'm sure it would be appreciated by the readers of all the groups that this is going out to, is that you redirect your messages to appropriate boards. -Chris cp26@andrew.cmu.edu There's my email address. Flame me personally, but leave it off the net, or send it to alt.flames.
kmoore@shiloh.UUCP (kirk moore) (06/28/90)
I find the fact that this message was posted in misc.forsale a little strange. I dont know what this has to do with a item forsale or a responce to a message if a item forsale. For what it is worth, a little history: When the colonies did not like what Britian was doing, we revolted. In fact for the most part when a country has a problem with thier leadership, they for the most part have the power to change it. As in the case of Iran, the people choose to live under the government that they have. They live with the killings that thier government approves of. It is always in the power of the people to change if enough people want the change. I am sorry for what has happened in Iran. It is a great lose of life and meterial. It remains though that they have removed themselves from the world around them and choosen to kill innocent people, mostly americans, with no reguard for their action. They have put themselves in the position that they are in, not us or any other country. So no I feel that they have not right to ask or expect the world to help. They have done this to themselves. To get the world to help you have to play by the rules that in effect at that time. Right now killing people by terrorist acts is out. The world just is not at that game point any more. these are my personal views and do not reflect the generals populations views (I think).... Kmoore
jailbird@cbnewsc.att.com (Ron D. Harvey) (06/28/90)
From article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu>, by wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape): > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their > tiraids up here. Real nice. Hey, by the way, what did God have for breakfast this morning? --- Ron D. Harvey jailbird@ihlpm.ATT.COM "Here's to God Almighty, the laziest man in town."
cindy@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Cindy Manly-Fields) (06/28/90)
In article <1990Jun26.173419.26801@amd.com> phil@pepsi.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: >In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: >| You are probably too ignorant >| to know that it is only a handfull of fanatics who were responsible >| for the hostage taking and the terroris acts. > >But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent >and the aid of the government. > >Perhaps not every Iranian is responsible, but I wonder if you >would forgive and forget a nation that was still holding some >of your people hostage? > >-- >Phil Ngai, phil@amd.com {uunet,decwrl,ucbvax}!amdcad!phil >Separate but equal: Bad for blacks, good for women. I just don't really understand how a few people (those making all the rumors) can make a whole population so distrustful. The US was quick and kind to immediately send food and supplies to Iran, instead we are called names and told that the food we sent would not be eaten because they are on strict diets and to send CASH! CASH! who in the h_ll do they think they are? They should be thankful that people are concerned and really want to help. I feel for the children and the women and the families who have lost everything but don't bite the hand that feeds you. They don't want our help then forget them. My .2 worth. Cindy
fischer@utower.gopas.sub.org (Axel Fischer) (06/28/90)
phil@pepsi.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: >But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent >and the aid of the government. That's right. But unfortunately the victims of the earthquake are the poorest of the poor people in the Iran. They don't have to do anything with the terrorists. They are just normal farmers or anything equal with much less money than we here in Germany or you in the States. -Axel -- fischer@utower.gopas.sub.org / fischer@db0tui6.BITNET / fischer@tmpmbx.UUCP Class of '93 That is not dead, which can eternal lie Yet with strange aeons, even death may die.
nolan@tssi.UUCP (Michael Nolan) (06/29/90)
1. I see nothing wrong with humanitarian aid, even to those who spit in our
face. (Because of the instability, I wouldn't go there for all the money
in Japan, but that's not the question here.)
2. I heard on National Public Radio last night that medical aid from Iraq
had arrived in Iran. It seems to me that the people of Iraq have a much
stronger reason to refuse to assist Iran than us here in the USA.
Since I don't get soc. newsgroups, if it hadn't been for the 'inappropriate'
cross-postings, I wouldn't have seen this discussion, certainly one of the
most active within the comp. hierarchy over the past few days.
Just my ill-informed, midwest, Republican, upper-middle-class opinion.
Mike Nolanjimvons@ashtate (Jim von Schmacht) (06/29/90)
In article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu> wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) writes: > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their >tiraids up here. ^^^^^^^ 1. Should be tirades. 2. Why don't you send these type of replies to alt.religion.fundamentalist where it belongs...... -- Jim von Schmacht Senior Member, Project Test Staff Ashton Tate Corporation Disclaimer: Standard Issue -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It isn't the years - it's the mileage" -Indiana Jones
yun@wam.umd.edu (Dragon Taunter) (06/29/90)
In article <37320@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> cindy@janus.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Cindy Manly-Fields) writes: > >I just don't really understand how a few people (those making all the >rumors) can make a whole population so distrustful. The US was quick and >kind to immediately send food and supplies to Iran, instead we are called >names and told that the food we sent would not be eaten because they are >on strict diets and to send CASH! >CASH! who in the h_ll do they think they are? They should be thankful that >people are concerned and really want to help. I feel for the children >and the women and the families who have lost everything but don't bite >the hand that feeds you. >They don't want our help then forget them. > >My .2 worth. >Cindy The reason for the request that donations be money is not out of arrogance but out of practicality and from previous experiences with cases of well meant but shortsighted humanitarianism. Oftentimes the donation of material goods (e.g. food stuff, cloths, shoes) have been of questionable worth. One example is the hundred if not thousands of pairs of high heeled shoes sent to victims of another earthquake (I believe Mexico City). The Red Cross will also verify that cash donations allows them to provide more specific and pressing aid faster than is the case with material gifts. -- yun@wam.umd.edu yun@eng.umd.edu Dan Quayle is so dense, he absorbs neutrinos.
dogar@motcid.UUCP (Haroon H. Dogar) (06/30/90)
This is the wrong forum for this discussion, so I have been reluctant to respond. However, in light of some of the more disheartening responses to this appeal(also in the wrong forum), I feel that I must say something. First, let's put things in perspective with an analogy that I think applies: the ghetto. I can understand the frustration and resentment that leads some people living in the ghetto to turn to crime, and I can understand their resentment of me for being responsible for their plight (even if only indirectly through my inaction in the face of those actively repressing them) and for my enjoying all of the benefits of this society which is so unfair to them. This does not mean that I will condone any crime that a person might commit because of his or her frustrations. What it means is that just as I would continue to participate in distributing food and clothing (admittedly not a solution since it addresses only the symptoms) from the Islamic centers on the south side of Chicago, so too should I continue to give whatever assitance I can to those suffering in other places of the world. It means that just as I would continue to speak out against the plight of our disenfranchised brothers and sisters in the inner city, so too should I continue to speak out against the suffering of those in Palestine, South Africa, and Kashmir. It is only through an end to their suffering and frustration that we can end the deeds which lead to the calous insensitivity and blatant racism which I have seen on the net. Meanwhile, reach out. Give what you can to those suffering in Iran now, and to those suffering in our neighborhoods, our cities, and our depressed rural areas everyday. To any Konfused Komputer Klansman out there who may be reading this, Before you try flaming me with a "Go back to.....": 20% of this planet's population is Muslim (1 outof every 5) and Islam is also the fastest growing religion in the world and the fastest growing religion in the United States (America's converts are the least submissive to your abuses). Amongst the Muslims as with any other group of people (Christian, Jewish, Secular Humanist, Pagan), there are some who are good and some who are bad. While I, and many like me, have grown up with your intolerance, there are many out there in net-land to whom your ignorance is new. Please choose your words carefully, and consider the damage (or good) they could do. Ok. Flame away. -Haroon Standard disclaimers apply to all except to the box below (indisputable). --------------------------------------------- | ^ | | / / () /| w | / | | / / | / /_| | | | | | ^ | | | | | | | | | |____| | \_/ \_/ | | | / <> | --------------------------------------------- "I'm being followed by a moon shadow..." "Flame me if you have to dudes, but don't have a cow man."
system@valnet (sysop) (06/30/90)
jimvons@ashtate (Jim von Schmacht) writes: > In article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu> wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon > > > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their > >tiraids up here. > ^^^^^^^ > 1. Should be tirades. > > 2. Why don't you send these type of replies to alt.religion.fundamentalist > where it belongs...... > > -- > Jim von Schmacht Senior Member, Project Test Staff Ashton Tate Corporat > Disclaimer: Standard Issue > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "It isn't the years - it's the mileage" -Indiana Jones Why don't you guys take it to another group. Something like soc.culture.iran or something. This is not the place and I am very tired of reading it. Jonathan R. Herr CompSci BBS SysOp (812) 876-4407 system@valnet.bloomington.in.us herrj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
ward@ttidca.TTI.COM (D. B. Ward) (06/30/90)
In article <1990Jun27.205947.15504@DRD.Com> mike@drd.Com (Mike Rovak) writes: >[religious drivel deleted] >'Nuff said? Entirely too much, you bible-thumping clod! -- Donald Brian Ward "This is my life; Citicorp TTI I live it; I love it; 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (213)450-9111 x2941 Criticism be damned" Santa Monica, CA 90405 {csun|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!ward Murphy
cooper@plains.UUCP (Jeff Cooper) (07/01/90)
I just wonder how much aid was sent to the US from Iran after the San Fransisco quake...I know that the death tolls in the two quakes aren't even close but I don't seem to remember any world wide call for assistance when the US could have used help...but then again, maybe I'm getting senile and losing my, my....um what is the word I'm thinking of....oh well, just my point of view... ---- "I have something to say, It's better to burn out than fade away" - The Kurgan, "Highlander" Jeff Cooper USnail address: cooper@plains.nodak.edu 1004 Broadway, Apt B1 (701)235-6315 Fargo, ND 58102
david_islander_hughes@cup.portal.com (07/01/90)
While I feel remorse for those people who died in the earthquake and I offer prayers for them and I do not revel in their misery, I do no not go along with postings that "just a few fanatics" are responsible for the hostages and the stance taken by the Iranian Govt. towards the U.S. This is akin to the same 'excuses' used by the German people after WWII. The people of Iran can throw off their yoke of world disgust and would earn the respect of the U.S. and its allies again. Not to sound like a religious zealot . . .what gopes around, comes around. This is not racist, it it patriotic. My brother helped in the ill-fated to rescue the last load of hostages. I say send medical help and food, just as we did with our enemies after WWII, but no other aid.
drxmann@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) (07/03/90)
Enough already!!!! For those of you who have not figured it out yet, this sub- ject is entirely irrelevant to the newsgroups listed above. I subscribe to comp.sys.amiga to read articles about the Amiga, not to read this drivel ad nauseum. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way, whether in c.s.a or otherwise. If you strongly disagree with an article that someone has posted, SEND THAT PERSON E-MAIL!! That's what it's there for. I'm tired of wearing my asbestos suit everytime I read c.s.a. Again, I'm sure I'm not the only one. The cost of posting articles is high enough without half of it being completely unrelated to the 7 or 8 newsgroups where it eventually lands. I know that I participated in the FlameFest, but someone brought these facts to my attention and I got tired of spending half of my time sending e-mail to indi- viduals who didn't realize these facts asking them to stop. Thanx, Dustin Christmann drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.eduu ...!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!drxmann
emmo@moncam.co.uk (Dave Emmerson) (07/06/90)
..and says the people who suffered were just ordinary folk, not a fanatic in sight. Not that he expected any different, it's much the same anywhere that International Rescue get sent. God forbid that any of YOU should judge ME by the rantings and ravings of that bl***y Thatcher woman! - nor by the cretinous remarks some people make on this net! Dave E. -disclaimer- Nothing to do with my employer, just me blowing off steam.