deva@cup.portal.com (David Michael Alves) (10/25/89)
Anyone see EZ-Backup from EZ Soft yet? (Advertised in Amazing Computing,
Oct 89, page 96) It's advertised as the best and fastest backup program
on the market. Comments?
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In article <1247@eastman.UUCP> harding%b56vxg.dnet@kodak.com (Jon Harding x75944 mc23302) says: > I use Quarterback faithfully and often. It does more than I require > and is user friendly. I've used each version since 1.0 (latest 4.0). > Yes, there are PD "backups" out there but I always come back to > QB. Well worth the price and support is good. When I had a problem > I talked with the gentleman who wrote it to get a solution. So could you please tell the gentlemen that it's high time to include a good compression algorithm? But please, include a check if the compressed files are larger than the original version (Saf-T-Net doesn't do it and is mainly because of that no alternative to Quaterback). -- ------------------------------------ Chris Brand - wizard@sosaria.imp.com "Justice is the possession and doing of what one is entitled to" - Platon ------------------------------------
kosma%human-torch@stc.lockheed.com (Monty Kosma) (06/30/90)
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In article <1247@eastman.UUCP> harding%b56vxg.dnet@kodak.com (Jon Harding x75944 mc23302) says:
> I use Quarterback faithfully and often. It does more than I require
> and is user friendly. I've used each version since 1.0 (latest 4.0).
> Yes, there are PD "backups" out there but I always come back to
> QB. Well worth the price and support is good. When I had a problem
> I talked with the gentleman who wrote it to get a solution.
So could you please tell the gentlemen that it's high time to include a
good compression algorithm? But please, include a check if the compressed
files are larger than the original version (Saf-T-Net doesn't do it and is
mainly because of that no alternative to Quaterback).
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I have been using the newer (but I think there's an even newer ver 4.0) ver
of MRBackup, and have been very pleased with it. It uses a unix-like
compress utility to do compression. I haven't run into any limitations
that hindered my backups (other than running out of floppies :-)
montyjim@syteke.be (Jim Sanchez) (07/02/90)
I too have been a faithful user of QB but agree with the QB author about not using compression. Why - backup speed primarily. My time is worth more than the costs of a few disks. Now if compression were made optional with no loss of backup speed perhaps that would be ok but all the compression algorithms are computationally intensive and I suspect that backup/recovery time would more than double. Think about it, is your time worth more than $5 per hour - mine sure is particuarly when the time is spent stuffing disks into my computer. Got to be the most boring thing around! -- Jim Sanchez | jim@syteke.be (PREFERRED) | OR {sun,hplabs}!sytek!syteke!jim Hughes LAN Systems | OR uunet!mcsun!ub4b!syteke!jim Brussels -- Jim Sanchez | jim@syteke.be (PREFERRED) | OR {sun,hplabs}!sytek!syteke!jim Hughes LAN Systems | OR uunet!mcsun!ub4b!syteke!jim Brussels
fnf@fishpond.UUCP (Fred Fish) (07/03/90)
In article <1143@syteke.be> jim@syteke.be (Jim Sanchez) writes: >I too have been a faithful user of QB but agree with the QB author >about not using compression. Why - backup speed primarily. My time >is worth more than the costs of a few disks. Now if compression were >made optional with no loss of backup speed perhaps that would be ok >but all the compression algorithms are computationally intensive and I >suspect that backup/recovery time would more than double. Think about >it, is your time worth more than $5 per hour - mine sure is >particuarly when the time is spent stuffing disks into my computer. I used to feel the same way also, which is why BRU wasn't designed to support compressed files from the beginning. I figured it would be too slow to be usable. Finally, the marketing guys convinced me that transparent file compression was something that we had to add to the product, regardless of how slow it might be. So it eventually got put in, and much to my surprise, I find myself using it almost ALL the time. But then again, I hardly ever sit around twiddling my thumbs while a backup is in progress, and the computer generally doesn't complain about taking 2-3 times as long to do a backup. With an even more capable processor, the compression time almost becomes negligible (on a fast 88000 system with 24Mb of ram, BRU can almost keep a 1/4 inch tape streaming with compression turned on). Of course, it also helps to have something more capable than floppies to back up to. On my 2500 I just load up both 150Mb tape drives and start a backup before going to bed ... :-) -Fred -- # Fred Fish, 1835 E. Belmont Drive, Tempe, AZ 85284, USA # 1-602-491-0048 asuvax!mcdphx!fishpond!fnf
wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) (07/06/90)
In article <23201@snow-white.udel.EDU> kosma%human-torch@stc.lockheed.com (Monty Kosma) says: > I have been using the newer (but I think there's an even newer ver 4.0) ver > of MRBackup, and have been very pleased with it. It uses a unix-like > compress utility to do compression. I haven't run into any limitations > that hindered my backups (other than running out of floppies :-) > > monty Yes, but does it still use the normal Amiga file system? I just don't want to wait 10 minutes for one disk being filled! -- ------------------------------------ Chris Brand - wizard@sosaria.imp.com "Justice is the possession and doing of what one is entitled to" - Platon ------------------------------------
dales@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM (Dale Snell) (07/12/90)
[woof!] In article <3240.AA3240@sosaria> wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) writes: [[ RE: MRBackup ]] | |Yes, but does it still use the normal Amiga file system? I just don't want |to wait 10 minutes for one disk being filled! | Yes, it does use the standard file system. However, it still takes a while to fill a floppy; due to the compression, I think. The commercial programs are certainly faster. MRBackup does it's job well, though, and is pretty reliable. The author is very good about fixing bugs. He's on the net here, somewhere, so you can e-mail him if you have a problem. |Chris Brand - wizard@sosaria.imp.com --dds Hark! Hark! The dogs do bark, | Dale D. Snell BIX: ddsnell The Duke is fond of kittens. | Usenet: dales@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM He likes to turn their insides out, | C$erve: 74756.666@compuserve.COM And use their fur for mittens! | What's a disclaimer?
nraoaoc@nmt.edu (NRAO Array Operations Center) (07/12/90)
In article <3497@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM> dales@teksce.SCE.TEK.COM (Dale Snell) writes: >[woof!] > >In article <3240.AA3240@sosaria> wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) writes: >[[ RE: MRBackup ]] >| >|Yes, but does it still use the normal Amiga file system? I just don't want >|to wait 10 minutes for one disk being filled! > > Yes, it does use the standard file system. However, it still takes >a while to fill a floppy; due to the compression, I think. The Actually compression is an option in MRBackup. Choose the number of bits (amount of computing) or none. After one long night backing up a 20meg partition with compression on, I decided I agree with a recent writer here - I would rather use a few more floppies and do no compression. Pat Palmer
cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (07/12/90)
Just for grins and giggles check this out :
Workbench 2.0 includes BRU the Backup and Restore Utility
that Fred Fish developed. So now you get a backup utility
standard with the system. I'm still waiting for the docs
that tell me how to redirect it to the tape drive I have
attached (which _sorta_ works if you don't stream it too
hard.)
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"I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!"bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Baker) (07/12/90)
In article <138791@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: > Just for grins and giggles check this out : > Workbench 2.0 includes BRU the Backup and Restore Utility > that Fred Fish developed. So now you get a backup utility > standard with the system. I'm still waiting for the docs > that tell me how to redirect it to the tape drive I have > attached (which _sorta_ works if you don't stream it too > hard.) Check Appendix C of the manul that should have been packed with your A3000... "Using The System Software"... Basically you need to edit the BRUTab file located in your S: directory. If you have any problems using the backup via HDBackup, try using BRU directly at the Shell level. > > > -- > --Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems > uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: <none> Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM > These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. > "I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!"
cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (07/14/90)
(I made some comment about BRU and Bob replies : ) In article <13168@cbmvax.commodore.com> bbaker@cbmvax (Bob Baker) writes: >Check Appendix C of the manul that should have been packed with your >A3000... "Using The System Software"... Basically you need to edit the >BRUTab file located in your S: directory. If you have any problems using >the backup via HDBackup, try using BRU directly at the Shell level. But Bob, being a developer all I got were the 2.0 disks "Workbench", "Extras" and "Kickit". I've never even _seen_ a hardcopy manual. Do you think you could mention this condition (since undoubtedly I'm not the only one in it) to the powers that be? -- --Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: <none> Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. "I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!"
david@starsoft.UUCP (Dave Lowrey) (07/14/90)
>In article <3512@crash.cts.com> danb20@pro-graphics.cts.com (Dan Bachmann) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from nraoaoc@nmt.edu > > Have any of you guys tried using QuaterBack? > I use it once a month and it works just fine. The only thing a dislike >is that if you want to restore a file from an archive to floppy, you need 2 >drives. Not true!!!! Quarterback works just fine with only one drive (altho 2 drives definately make life easier!) As a matter of fact, the new 4.0 release adds several new features that would make 1 drive operations easier. One is a "fuel gage" (my words, not theirs) that indicates how full a disk is getting. When it is near "full", you can be ready with another disk. There are other new features such as the report now contains the disk numbers that the files are on. You can run a seperate "verify" pass to see if your disks are ok. On two drive systems, it beeps when a disk is done, not when it needs a new disk. You can print a catalog from a backup set. Plus bug fixes and other features. The upgrade is only $10.00 and your original Quarterback disk. I got mine back in about a week. Send to: Central Coast Software 424 Vista Av. Goldon, CO 80401 (303)-526-1030 >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ProLine: DanB20@pro-graphics ************************ > UUCP: ...crash!pro-graphics!DanB20 * Daniel G. Bachmann * >ARPA/DDN: pro-graphics!DanB20@nosc.mil ************************ >Internet: danb20@pro-graphics.cts.com or ak032@cleveland.Freenet.Edu >U.S.mail: 509 StonyBrook Drive, Bridgewater, NJ, 08807 USA -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- These words be mine. The company doesn't care, because I am the company! :-) Dave Lowrey | In Texas: {uhnix1,moray}!starsoft!david Starbound Software Group | The World: dwl10@uts.amdahl.com (amdahl!dwl10) Houston, TX |
danb20@pro-graphics.cts.com (Dan Bachmann) (07/14/90)
In-Reply-To: message from nraoaoc@nmt.edu
Have any of you guys tried using QuaterBack?
I use it once a month and it works just fine. The only thing a dislike
is that if you want to restore a file from an archive to floppy, you need 2
drives.
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U.S.mail: 509 StonyBrook Drive, Bridgewater, NJ, 08807 USAalfredo@ajahnv.lonestar.org (Alfredo Jahn V) (07/16/90)
>In article <3512@crash.cts.com> danb20@pro-graphics.cts.com (Dan Bachmann) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from nraoaoc@nmt.edu > > Have any of you guys tried using QuaterBack? > I use it once a month and it works just fine. The only thing a dislike >is that if you want to restore a file from an archive to floppy, you need 2 >drives. Quarterback *IS* a Hard Disk backup program.... Why not create a temp directory on your hard disk and restore it to it, then copy that directory to your floppy drive. I know, its a hassel but it works. How often do you use floppies? I only use 'em for backing up my hard disk.... Another thing you might try is to create an 880K partition on your hard disk and assign df1: to it. (I think Dillon has something that lets you mount a partition using the trackdisk.device, or someting like that...) I forget right now. Later - alfredo --------------------------------//---------------------------------------- Alfredo Jahn V // Internet: alfredo@ajahnv.lonestar.org 3208 Cole Ave., #1303 \\ // UUCP: texbell!ajahnv!alfredo Dallas, Texas 75204 USA \X/ Voice: +1 214 855-1316 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
mlelstv@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Michael van Elst ) (07/16/90)
wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) writes: >In article <23201@snow-white.udel.EDU> kosma%human-torch@stc.lockheed.com (Monty Kosma) says: >> I have been using the newer (but I think there's an even newer ver 4.0) ver >> of MRBackup, and have been very pleased with it. It uses a unix-like >> compress utility to do compression. >Yes, but does it still use the normal Amiga file system? I just don't want >to wait 10 minutes for one disk being filled! I takes about 1.5 minutes to fill a disk through the file system and about 50 seconds to do it through the disk driver (aka trackdisk.device). It is a little slower (<2.5 minutes) if you do not add more disk buffers to the file system. Michael van Elst p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de