es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (07/20/90)
Many of you probably saw this in misc.forsale.computers, but here it is again. These are Apple's educational discount prices. For the low-end models, they are CHEAPER than Amigas. Commodore had better do something fast! In article <4316UD182050@NDSUVM1> UD182050@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Aos) writes: >Sorry, but I forgot to include this group in the original post. >********************************* TOP OF DATA ********************************* > Apple Computer, Inc. > HIGHER EDUCATION PURCHASE PROGRAM > Individual Purchase Option Product List > Prices are for full-time faculty, staff and students. > > > May 21, 1990 > >Product Description IPO Price > >MACINTOSH SYSTEMS >Keyboard sold separately from Macintosh SE unless noted. >Keyboard and Monitor and Video Card sold separately from Macintosh II. > >M5880 Macintosh Plus w/Keyboard, 1 Mb RAM ................... 649.00 > >M5350 Macintosh Portable..................................... 3653.00 >M5351 Macintosh Portable Hard Drive 40....................... 4094.00 > >M0029LL/A Macintosh SE CPU....................................... 1042.00 >M5084/D Macintosh SE CPU w/Apple Keyboard...................... 1132.00 >M0028LL/A Macintosh SE Hard Disk 20 CPU.......................... 1089.00 >M5083/D Macintosh SE Hard Disk 20 CPU w/Apple Keyboard......... 1179.00 >M0031LL/A Macintosh SE Hard Disk 40 CPU (2Mb).................... 1294.00 >M5335/A Macintosh SE Hard Disk 40 CPU w/Apple Keyboard......... 1384.00 > >M5392 Macintosh SE/30 CPU 1Mb .............................. 1779.00 >M5390 Macintosh SE/30 Hard Disk 40 CPU 1Mb ................. 2089.00 >M5361 Macintosh SE/30 Hard Disk 80 CPU (4Mb)................. 2833.00 > >M5660 Macintosh IIcx CPU 1Mb ................................ 2848.00 >M5610 Macintosh IIcx Hard Disk 40 CPU 1Mb.................... 3275.00 >M5680 Macintosh IIcx Hard Disk 80 CPU (4Mb).................. 4286.00 > >M5790 Macintosh IIx CPU 1Mb.................................. 3214.00 >M5810 Macintosh IIx Hard Disk 40 CPU 1Mb..................... 3641.00 >M5830 Macintosh IIx Hard Disk 80 CPU (4Mb)................... 4646.00 >M5860 Macintosh IIx Hard Disk 160 CPU (4Mb).................. 5186.00 > >M5710LL/A Macintosh IIci......................................... 3824.00 >M5715LL/A Macintosh IIci Hard Disk 40............................ 4251.00 >M5740LL/A Macintosh IIci Hard Disk 80 (4Mb)...................... 5246.00 > >B0323LL/A Macintosh Plus & ImageWriter II Bundle................. 949.00 > >MACINTOSH SE/II KEYBOARDS > >M0116 Apple Keyboard......................................... 95.00 >M0115 Apple Extended Keyboard................................ 165.00 > >MACINTOSH II MONITORS AND ACCESSORIES > >M0400 Apple High-Resolution Monochrome Monitor............... 280.00 > Requires Macintosh II Video Card (M0322) or 3rd party > equivalent. >M0401 AppleColor High-Resolution RGB Monitor................. 699.50 > Requires Macintosh II Video Card or 3rd party > equivalent. (M0324 recommended for expanded color) >M0402 Apple Two-Page Monochrome Monitor...................... 1515.00 > Requires Macintosh II Two-Page Monochrome Video card > (M0260) or 3rd party equivalent. >M0404 Apple Macintosh Portrait Display ...................... 770.00 > Requires Macintosh II Portrait Display Video card > (M0119) or 3rd party equivalent. >M0504 Macintosh II 1bit Video Card .......................... 140.00 >M0322 Macintosh II 4bit Video Card........................... 350.00 >M0324 Macintosh II 8bit Video Card........................... 455.00 >M0119 Macintosh II Portrait Display Video Card............... 420.00 >M0260 Macintosh II Two-Page Monochrome Video Card............ 420.00 >M0213 Macintosh II Video Card Expansion Kit (4 bit)......... 105.00 > Requires installation by a Level I Service > Technician or authorized Apple dealer. > > >MACINTOSH DRIVES AND ACCESSORIES > Internal drives require installation by a Level I Service Technician > or authorized Apple dealer. > >A9M0106 Apple 3.5 Drive........................................ 301.00 > > >IMAGEWRITER PRINTERS and PRINTER SUPPLIES > >A9P0329 ImageWriter II Printer w/Cable (M0197)................. 399.00 >A9G0331 ImageWriter II Color Ribbon (box/6).................... 59.00 >A9G0335 ImageWriter LQ Black Ribbon (box/6).................... 80.00 >A9G0336 ImageWriter LQ Color Ribbord .......................... 140.00 >A2M0077 ImageWriter I & II Black Ribbon (box/6)................ 45.00 >A9G0329 Scribe Color Ribbon Cassette (box/12).................. 51.00 >A9G0328 Scribe Black Ribbon Cassette (box/12).................. 42.00 > > >LASERWRITER PRODUCTS > >M6200/A LaserWriter IISC w/Letter Cassette & Toner Cartridge... 1819.00 >M6210 LaserWriter IINT w/Letter Cassette & Toner Cartridge... 3014.00 >M6215 LaserWriter IINTX w/Letter Cassette & Toner Cartridge.. 4020.00 >M0137 LaserWriter II Letter Cassette......................... 62.00 >M0139 LaserWriter II Legal Cassette.......................... 62.00 > > >A fee of $35.00 per order will be charged for shipping and handling. >State sales tax applies to all individual orders. > >This price list supersedes all previous price lists. >There is a $300 minimum on all orders. > >Updated 5/16/90 cja >******************************** BOTTOM OF DATA ******************************* >------- >Mike > >UD182050@NDSUVM1 (.Bitnet?) "Share and Enjoy" >UD182050@VM1.NoDak.Edu -Sirius Cybernetics Corporation > Apple IIgs 'till I can afford a NeXT! >I got LOTSA opinions. You want one? You can have it! -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu "If Commodore had to market sushi they'd call it `raw cold fish'" -- The Bandito, inevitably stolen from someone else
yarnall@usceast.UUCP (Ken Yarnall) (07/20/90)
In article <1990Jul19.184108.1055@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: + + Many of you probably saw this in misc.forsale.computers, +but here it is again. These are Apple's educational discount +prices. For the low-end models, they are CHEAPER than Amigas. +Commodore had better do something fast! + + +In article <4316UD182050@NDSUVM1> UD182050@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Aos) writes: +>Sorry, but I forgot to include this group in the original post. +>********************************* TOP OF DATA ********************************* +> Apple Computer, Inc. +> HIGHER EDUCATION PURCHASE PROGRAM +> Individual Purchase Option Product List +> Prices are for full-time faculty, staff and students. +> +> +> May 21, 1990 +> +>[...price listings deleted...] Preface this with the fact that I can't keep apple's numbering system straight. I am not at all convinced that these prices are any better (indde, even as good) than C='s program. What is the price for an A3000 *with* a keyboard, *with* a 14'' *multiscan* monitor, *with* a harddrive? ~$3100? Bring one of these MacIIcxispqrt systems (yeah; the one with the 25 Mhz 030 in it...) up to the same hardware level. I bet it costs a good bit more. I'm just to tired to do the arithmetic. Anyway, I'm a mathematician -- I don't have to add if I don't want to. + -- Ethan kenny -- Ken Yarnall /// yarnall@cs.scarolina.EDU Math Department, USC \\\/// yarnall@ucseast.UUCP Columbia, S.C. 29208 \\\/ (803)777-6686
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (07/23/90)
In article <3347@usceast.UUCP> yarnall@usceast.UUCP (Ken Yarnall) writes: >In article <1990Jul19.184108.1055@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >+> Apple Computer, Inc. >+> HIGHER EDUCATION PURCHASE PROGRAM >+> Individual Purchase Option Product List >+> Prices are for full-time faculty, staff and students. >+> > >I am not at all convinced that these prices are any better (indde, even as >good) than C='s program. What is the price for an A3000 *with* a keyboard, >*with* a 14'' *multiscan* monitor, *with* a harddrive? ~$3100? Bring one of >these MacIIcxispqrt systems (yeah; the one with the 25 Mhz 030 in it...) up >to the same hardware level. I bet it costs a good bit more. I'm just to >tired to do the arithmetic. Anyway, I'm a mathematician -- I don't have to >add if I don't want to. > On high end systems the Amiga is still cheaper. However, on educational discount most purchases are for Mac Pluses/SEs/A500s. It is in that area that the Mac prices are better. You can get for $715 a Mac Plus with 1MB of ram. You can get for $1,320 a Mac SE with a 40MB HD. Commodore needs to lower prices on those machines even further to beat Apple. > >kenny >-- > Ken Yarnall /// yarnall@cs.scarolina.EDU > Math Department, USC \\\/// yarnall@ucseast.UUCP > Columbia, S.C. 29208 \\\/ (803)777-6686 -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu "If Commodore had to market sushi they'd call it `raw cold fish'" -- The Bandito, inevitably stolen from someone else
cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (07/24/90)
In article <1990Jul19.184108.1055@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> (Ethan Solomita) writes:
-> Many of you probably saw this in misc.forsale.computers,
->but here it is again. These are Apple's educational discount
->prices. For the low-end models, they are CHEAPER than Amigas.
->Commodore had better do something fast!
Maybe I can't read, but this conclusion doesn't follow from the list
below. To wit :
->>M5880 Macintosh Plus w/Keyboard, 1 Mb RAM ................... 649.00
This is the same as the _List_ price for an A500 + Keyboard + 1MB of RAM.
The Educational price has got to be better than this, _and_ you get color
instead of mono.
->>M0028LL/A Macintosh SE Hard Disk 20 CPU.......................... 1089.00
Is this less than an A500 w/A590 Hard Disk 20 ?
->>M5660 Macintosh IIcx CPU 1Mb ................................ 2848.00
This is less than the A3000 ? I thought the A3000 was $2500 on the discount
plan. And it comes with an extra MB of memory.
->>MACINTOSH SE/II KEYBOARDS
->>M0116 Apple Keyboard......................................... 95.00
->>M0115 Apple Extended Keyboard................................ 165.00
And don't forget you need a keyboard too.
So how do you come up with "And they're cheaper?"
--
--Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems
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These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you.
"I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!"es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (07/24/90)
In article <139326@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >In article <1990Jul19.184108.1055@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> (Ethan Solomita) writes: >-> Many of you probably saw this in misc.forsale.computers, >->but here it is again. These are Apple's educational discount >->prices. For the low-end models, they are CHEAPER than Amigas. >->Commodore had better do something fast! > >Maybe I can't read, but this conclusion doesn't follow from the list >below. To wit : > >->>M5880 Macintosh Plus w/Keyboard, 1 Mb RAM ................... 649.00 > >This is the same as the _List_ price for an A500 + Keyboard + 1MB of RAM. >The Educational price has got to be better than this, _and_ you get color >instead of mono. > >->>M0028LL/A Macintosh SE Hard Disk 20 CPU.......................... 1089.00 > >Is this less than an A500 w/A590 Hard Disk 20 ? > Of course it is! You aren't considering that the Macs COME with the screen built in. And although a color monitor is nice for most people (who buy on Educ. Disc.) the Apple monochrome is just fine. It DOESN'T flicker and looks very solid. The price for an A500 w/1MB, 2 drives, monitor and 20MB is $1,369. This makes the Mac $280 cheaper. I'd say that at that price the SE/20 will be the most sold Mac (on discount that is). An equivalent Amiga is much more. And I believe I said that these prices don't bring Mac down to Amiga pricing on the high end models, just the low end. >-- >--Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems >uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: <none> Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM >These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. >"I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!" -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu "If Commodore had to market sushi they'd call it `raw cold fish'" -- The Bandito, inevitably stolen from someone else
GWO110%URIACC.BITNET@brownvm.brown.edu (F. Michael Theilig) (07/24/90)
On 24 Jul 90 01:11:28 GMT you said: >In article <139326@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck >McManis) writes: >> >>Maybe I can't read, but this conclusion doesn't follow from the list >>below. To wit : >> >>->>M5880 Macintosh Plus w/Keyboard, 1 Mb RAM ................... 649.00 >> >>This is the same as the _List_ price for an A500 + Keyboard + 1MB of RAM. >>The Educational price has got to be better than this, _and_ you get color >>instead of mono. >> [Stuff deleted] > > Of course it is! You aren't considering that the Macs >COME with the screen built in. And although a color monitor is >nice for most people (who buy on Educ. Disc.) the Apple >monochrome is just fine. It DOESN'T flicker and looks very solid. >The price for an A500 w/1MB, 2 drives, monitor and 20MB is >$1,369. This makes the Mac $280 cheaper. > I'd say that at that price the SE/20 will be the most >sold Mac (on discount that is). An equivalent Amiga is much more. > And I believe I said that these prices don't bring Mac >down to Amiga pricing on the high end models, just the low end. > The Amiga 500 with 1 meg, external drive and monitor is $799 for the education discount plan. The Plus system listed is $150 less without the second floppy. Seeing as the plus is way out of date and is monochrome, it's not too serious compitition. Of coures, Macintosh's have been big sellers even at much higher prices, I doubt Commodore is in for a whitewashing. I would like to see a reaction from Commodore, though. Does Apple still buy their chips from Commodore? Anyone have a price on the A500P? As for the "Mac Classic", I think that most of the sales for that machine will come from prospective Mac SE buyers, which are higher ticket items. The only way Apple could sell a low end machine to compete with the A500 is if had the apeal the Amiga has, i.e. color graphics. Apple has demonstrated that they cannot produce a machine with resonable color for anywhere near the A500's price. As for the SE's screen, don't forget that it is interlace, and would flicker if it had more than two colors. > >>-- >>--Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems > >Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu > -------- F. Michael Theilig - The University of Rhode Island at Little Rest GWO110 at URIACC.Bitnet GKZ117 at URIACC.Bitnet "Gooooood coffee."
daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (07/24/90)
In article <1990Jul24.011128.188@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >>Is this less than an A500 w/A590 Hard Disk 20 ? > Of course it is! You aren't considering that the Macs >COME with the screen built in. And although a color monitor is >nice for most people (who buy on Educ. Disc.) the Apple >monochrome is just fine. >The price for an A500 w/1MB, 2 drives, monitor and 20MB is >$1,369. This makes the Mac $280 cheaper. The A500 will hook into a monochrome monitor just fine. You can get a fine monochrome monitor for about $70. Probably less for a 9" monochrome monitor. There's also very little reason to include a second floppy if you have the hard disk. Most Amigas and Mac I've seen with hard drives don't bother with a second floppy drive. If you're doing an honest comparison, compare similarly equipped systems, please. IMHO, they're pretty comparable in price. But it doesn't matter, since no matter how cheap the Mac is, you're still stuck with a Mac when you buy it. >>--Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems > -- Ethan -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy The Dave Haynie branch of the New Zealand Fan Club
seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) (07/25/90)
In-Reply-To: message from cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM Also...who says the Amiga has to be the cheapest machine out there? Cheaper than their color systems, sure...that almost goes without saying. But so what if it costs a little more for an A500 than it does for a Mac Plus. The the Plus (and the SE for that matter) don't have color...they don't have a 13" display...they don't multitask...they don't have coprocessors to speed things up (so an A500 is considerably faster than either of the two Macs)...and their memory can't be upgraded as easily as the A500. Quality doesn't come from the bottom line... Sean //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// UUCP: ...!crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc | ARPA: !crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc@nosc.mil | " Fanatics have their INET: seanc@pro-party.cts.com | dreams, wherewith they | weave a paradise for RealWorld: Sean Cunningham | a sect. " Voice: (512) 994-1602 PLINK: ce3k* | -Keats | Call C.B.A.U.G. BBS (512) 883-8351 w/SkyPix | B^) VISION GRAPHICS B^) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (07/25/90)
>> Of course it is! You aren't considering that the Macs >>COME with the screen built in. And although a color monitor is >>nice for most people (who buy on Educ. Disc.) the Apple >>monochrome is just fine. It DOESN'T flicker and looks very solid. >>The price for an A500 w/1MB, 2 drives, monitor and 20MB is >>$1,369. This makes the Mac $280 cheaper. >> I'd say that at that price the SE/20 will be the most >>sold Mac (on discount that is). An equivalent Amiga is much more. >> And I believe I said that these prices don't bring Mac >>down to Amiga pricing on the high end models, just the low end. >> > The Amiga 500 with 1 meg, external drive and monitor is $799 for > the education discount plan. The Plus system listed is $150 less without > the second floppy. Seeing as the plus is way out of date and is monochrome, > it's not too serious compitition. > > Of coures, Macintosh's have been big sellers even at much higher prices, > I doubt Commodore is in for a whitewashing. I would like to see a reaction > from Commodore, though. Does Apple still buy their chips from Commodore? > Anyone have a price on the A500P? > > As for the "Mac Classic", I think that most of the sales for that > machine will come from prospective Mac SE buyers, which are higher ticket > items. The only way Apple could sell a low end machine to compete with > the A500 is if had the apeal the Amiga has, i.e. color graphics. Apple > has demonstrated that they cannot produce a machine with resonable color > for anywhere near the A500's price. > > As for the SE's screen, don't forget that it is interlace, and would > flicker if it had more than two colors. > Most people who buy computers in college buy them for word processing. Which will do better word processing: a Macintosh with Microsoft Word or an Amiga 500 in either x200 mode (with scan lines visible) or in x400 mode that flickers like anything? Most people will want the Mac, especially at $150 less. How about the 40MB SE? I am actively trying to get Amigas into Columbia but I will only be able to reach niche groups unless prices come down compared to Apple. Your point that the Plus is old technology doesn't mean much, as it still runs MS Word and all the other basic programs. It lacks color, but that isn't a big deal for most uses they'll put it to. Finally, for those students who need more scientific programs: they aren't even available on the Amiga! The Mac has far more and far better science/math/computer software available for it. Finally2, and honestly, most students pirate from anyone they can, so Amiga software being cheaper is irrelevant. It is more expensive usually, because there aren't as many Amiga friends to trade with and they'll HAVE to buy it. As I mentioned initially, I wouldn't change my computer for the world (well maybe...), but we should realize that low end Macs now have an advantage. The Amiga is trying to upset the leader. The biggest advantage used to be price. Apple got smart and lowered the prices on their low-end models, while keeping the expensive ones high. > > -------- > F. Michael Theilig - The University of Rhode Island at Little Rest > GWO110 at URIACC.Bitnet > GKZ117 at URIACC.Bitnet > >"Gooooood coffee." -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu "If Commodore had to market sushi they'd call it `raw cold fish'" -- The Bandito, inevitably stolen from someone else
cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (07/25/90)
In article <1990Jul24.011128.188@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> (Ethan Solomita) writes: > Of course it is! You aren't considering that the Macs >COME with the screen built in. And although a color monitor is >nice for most people (who buy on Educ. Disc.) the Apple >monochrome is just fine. It DOESN'T flicker and looks very solid. >The price for an A500 w/1MB, 2 drives, monitor and 20MB is >$1,369. This makes the Mac $280 cheaper. So don't buy a color monitor. An Amiga 500 with a monochrome monitor doesn't flicker either because the persistence of the monitor is somewhat greater than that of the color monitors. I can get a "mac equivalent" resolution mono monitor for $80. And I'll still have better screen resolution (640 X 440 versus 512 X 344) So what is the point? The point is this is a stupid comparison. I don't care if the Mac was $1000 less or a $1000 more, if it is what you have to buy, then it is. I could just as easily argue that you can't even get two buttons on your Mac Plus mouse but who cares? -- --Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: <none> Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. "I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!"
marmoset@ub.cc.umich.edu (Dave Walker) (07/25/90)
In article <25497@snow-white.udel.EDU> GWO110%URIACC.BITNET@brownvm.brown.edu (F. Michael Theilig) writes: > As for the SE's screen, don't forget that it is interlace, and would > flicker if it had more than two colors. That's a little like saying "Don't forget that guy is holding a gun, and if he turned it around and pointed it at his head he'd kill himself." :-) +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dave Walker, Marmoset Design Ltd. | | marmoset@ub.cc.umich.edu "I don't read, I just guess" | | marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu -Happy Mondays, "Wrote For Luck" | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman - AmigaMan) (07/25/90)
In article <1990Jul24.175200.29088@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > Finally2, and honestly, most students pirate from anyone >they can, so Amiga software being cheaper is irrelevant. It is >more expensive usually, because there aren't as many Amiga >friends to trade with and they'll HAVE to buy it. Should I even say anything about the above paragraph? Nah... >Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu AMH (a student...) * Andy Hartman | I'd deny half of this crap anyway!| "Somedays, you just * Indiana University |-----------------------------------| can't get rid of a * // Amiga Man | amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | bomb!" * \X/ At Large! | AMHARTMA@rose.ucs.indiana.edu | - Batman (original)
sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (07/25/90)
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >In article <139326@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >>In article <1990Jul19.184108.1055@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> (Ethan Solomita) writes: >> >>->>M0028LL/A Macintosh SE Hard Disk 20 CPU.......................... 1089.00 >> >>Is this less than an A500 w/A590 Hard Disk 20 ? >> > Of course it is! You aren't considering that the Macs >COME with the screen built in. And although a color monitor is >nice for most people (who buy on Educ. Disc.) the Apple >monochrome is just fine. It DOESN'T flicker and looks very solid. >The price for an A500 w/1MB, 2 drives, monitor and 20MB is >$1,369. This makes the Mac $280 cheaper. > I'd say that at that price the SE/20 will be the most >sold Mac (on discount that is). An equivalent Amiga is much more. Well, whether or not a 9" B&W monitor 'is just fine' or not doesn't mean that a color monitor is not worth more. And the Educational discount price for a 20mb amiga 500 system is: $1208 You get Bundle: A500P CPU (*WITH* keyboard and mouse! and 512K) 1 meg memory Extra Floppy Drive (two total) Color Monitor (14" !!) for $799. The 20meg drive is $409. Total $1208. Now on the Mac, for $1089, you only get ONE floppy drive and a B&W 9" monitor, and have to buy the keyboard extra (another $100 bucks or so). So your cost will be more like $1189 for the Mac SE/20meg. Only $19 diff and you have color and an extra floppy on the amiga. > -- Ethan >Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu >"If Commodore had to market sushi they'd call it `raw cold fish'" > -- The Bandito, inevitably stolen from someone else -- John Sparks | | D.I.S.K. 24hrs 2400bps. sparks@corpane.UUCP | | PH: (502) 968-DISK A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of. - Ogden Nash
wlj1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Wayne L Jebian) (07/27/90)
In article <139326@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >In article <1990Jul19.184108.1055@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> (Ethan Solomita) writes: > >Maybe I can't read, but this conclusion doesn't follow from the list >below. To wit : > >->>M5880 Macintosh Plus w/Keyboard, 1 Mb RAM ................... 649.00 > >This is the same as the _List_ price for an A500 + Keyboard + 1MB of RAM. >The Educational price has got to be better than this, _and_ you get color >instead of mono. A500, 1 Meg ram, 2 3.5" drives and 1084 monitor for $800. how much is a Mac disk drive <3.5" that would fit inside the mac plus or an external> >->>M5660 Macintosh IIcx CPU 1Mb ................................ 2848.00 > >This is less than the A3000 ? I thought the A3000 was $2500 on the discount >plan. And it comes with an extra MB of memory. >->>MACINTOSH SE/II KEYBOARDS >->>M0116 Apple Keyboard......................................... 95.00 >->>M0115 Apple Extended Keyboard................................ 165.00 > >And don't forget you need a keyboard too. >So how do you come up with "And they're cheaper?" The fact that you can purchase a computer and not have a keyboard in it kinda makes me wonder.... i mean the amigas all come with a keyboard. besides, I'm from the "old school" i like typing in commands <which I gotta do on my crummy C64 >-- >--Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems >uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: <none> Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM >These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. >"I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!" -Mark Dolengo
danb20@pro-graphics.cts.com (Dan Bachmann) (07/28/90)
In-Reply-To: message from es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
When you consider HD space to HD space, and RAM to RAM, maybe the Mac
is cheaper, but for the graphic arts student we need the sound and VIDEO
capabilities for small scale video production.
The Amiga is then cheaper due to it's built in goodies.
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In article <2651@corpane.UUCP> sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) writes: >es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > >> Of course it is! You aren't considering that the Macs >>COME with the screen built in. And although a color monitor is >>nice for most people (who buy on Educ. Disc.) the Apple >>monochrome is just fine. It DOESN'T flicker and looks very solid. >>The price for an A500 w/1MB, 2 drives, monitor and 20MB is >>$1,369. This makes the Mac $280 cheaper. >> I'd say that at that price the SE/20 will be the most >>sold Mac (on discount that is). An equivalent Amiga is much more. > >Well, whether or not a 9" B&W monitor 'is just fine' or not doesn't mean >that a color monitor is not worth more. And the Educational discount price >for a 20mb amiga 500 system is: $1208 > >You get >Bundle: >A500P CPU (*WITH* keyboard and mouse! and 512K) >1 meg memory >Extra Floppy Drive (two total) >Color Monitor (14" !!) > >for $799. > >The 20meg drive is $409. Total $1208. > >Now on the Mac, for $1089, you only get ONE floppy drive and a B&W 9" monitor, >and have to buy the keyboard extra (another $100 bucks or so). >So your cost will be more like $1189 for the Mac SE/20meg. > >Only $19 diff and you have color and an extra floppy on the amiga. > Let me state publically that the price I have on my educ. price sheets says $519 for the A590. It is true that the price has come down on it (thank God) to $409, so the prices I quoted were off by $110. I still believe my point is valid, although somewhat tempered by this. BTW, the Mac Plus and SE do come with keyboards at the quoted prices, that isn't extra. Admittedly color is desirable for many instances, but not all. I think the advantage of a non-flickering screen far outweighes the disadvantages of black and white. Also, while we're discussing advantages inherent to a system, the fact that the Macintosh is a compact and portable unit is a plus. I hope Commodore is hard at work finding a way to put the new display-enhancer chip of the A3000 into the other models. Yes, poor MicroWay will suffer, but it will do too much for the Amiga not to do so. You have to consider that not being the standard lowers your value, so there have to be several other things to make up for that. In summary, the positive points for an A500 bundle system with A590 are: color, multitasking, better games, extra floppy, better expandability. Advantages of the Macintosh: sharp display without flicker, portable, standard, higher-quality software, more science software, better support due to more people having familiarity with hardware, computer's future is more solid, better reputation, no Irving Gould running the show 8^>. Those are the main things to consider. The two systems are within about $100 of each other. I think that most people will go for the Mac, unless they are more into games or like playing around with their computer. I think someone just defined a new acronym, IMAO. I think that fits! 8^> -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu "If Commodore had to market sushi they'd call it `raw cold fish'" -- The Bandito, inevitably stolen from someone else