[comp.sys.amiga] Mac emulator?

sigmond@portia.Stanford.EDU (Steve Sigmond) (07/22/90)

Can somebody please fill me in on the current status of the Macintosh emulator
for the Amiga?  Is there a new version coming out that will work on the 3000?
Is it really 100% software compatible?

-- 
Steve Sigmond                           sigmond@portia.stanford.edu
"It's like, how much blacker could      B.BOTHERSQUAD@macbeth.stanford.edu
 this be? And the answer is none.       steve@ast1.spa.umn.edu
 None more black."

klien@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Karen Lien) (07/23/90)

In article <1990Jul21.194156.16867@portia.Stanford.EDU> sigmond@portia.Stanford.EDU (Steve Sigmond) writes:
>Can somebody please fill me in on the current status of the Macintosh emulator
>for the Amiga?  Is there a new version coming out that will work on the 3000?
>Is it really 100% software compatible?

The reason that AMax doesn't work with the A3000 is simple -- the A3000 uses
some underhanded MMU code to load its ROMs.  When the ROMs actually come
out in their more natural chip form.  Amax doesn't know about this MMU code,
and gets confused.  The same problems crop up when using setCPU to load
the ROM into 32bit memory.
Wait till Sept when both the A3000 comes with real ROMs, and the new AMax
is out (cross your fingers on both accounts).

As to 100% compatibility -- of course not.  terminal programs, Appletalk, MIDI,
sound programs all don't work.  The usual DTP-type programs do-- which is the
MAC's strongpoint.

						-David Navas
navas@sim.berkeley.edu
Ignore the Reply-to line, though that is forwarded to my account, currently...
>
>-- 
>Steve Sigmond                           sigmond@portia.stanford.edu
>"It's like, how much blacker could      B.BOTHERSQUAD@macbeth.stanford.edu
> this be? And the answer is none.       steve@ast1.spa.umn.edu
> None more black."

lee@sed170.HAC.COM (John Lee) (07/24/90)

In article <1990Jul23.002759.27675@agate.berkeley.edu> navas@sim.berkeley.edu (David Navas) as lien@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Karen Lien) writes:
>In article <1990Jul21.194156.16867@portia.Stanford.EDU> sigmond@portia.Stanford.EDU (Steve Sigmond) writes:
>>Can somebody please fill me in on the current status of the Macintosh emulator
>>for the Amiga?  Is there a new version coming out that will work on the 3000?
>>Is it really 100% software compatible?
>As to 100% compatibility -- of course not.  terminal programs, Appletalk, MIDI,
					     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>sound programs all don't work.  The usual DTP-type programs do-- which is the
>MAC's strongpoint.

Eh?  MacTerm and the Prodigy software run great under A-Max on my B2000 and
Zoom modem (just booked a flight through Prodigy.)  Terminal programs work
fine (although I'm not sure why.  :-) )  However, David is correct in that
Appletalk, MIDI and sound programs don't function under the current version
of A-Max.  Ads for A-Max II claim that Appletalk and sound programs will work
when it is released this fall.

>>-- 
>>Steve Sigmond                           sigmond@portia.stanford.edu
>						-David Navas
>navas@sim.berkeley.edu

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fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (07/24/90)

From article <1990Jul23.002759.27675@agate.berkeley.edu>, by klien@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Karen Lien):
> As to 100% compatibility -- of course not.  terminal programs, Appletalk, MIDI,
> sound programs all don't work.  The usual DTP-type programs do-- which is the
> MAC's strongpoint.
> 
> 						-David Navas
> navas@sim.berkeley.edu
> Ignore the Reply-to line, though that is forwarded to my account, currently...

I've never had a problem running a terminal program under AMAX.  Programs
that use sound work, you just don't get the sound.  So if the program's
main function is to process and produce sounds it's useless under AMAX.
But if sound is just an incidental feature the rest of the program works
OK.

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n350bq@tamuts.tamu.edu (Duane Fields) (07/24/90)

The Amax II is due out in the fall.  It is a card based systems for the  
Amiga 2000+ cpu's.  It allows full compatiblity including networking, sound
(yes, even digitized sounds) all your ram, and all your processors's speed.
It will even read/write mac disks with standard amiga drives!!!!
No price has been announced as far as I have heard.....

Duane Fields
 

sjorr@cbmtor.UUCP (Stephen Orr) (07/26/90)

>As to 100% compatibility -- of course not.  terminal programs, Appletalk, MIDI,
>sound programs all don't work.  The usual DTP-type programs do-- which is the
>MAC's strongpoint.
>
One small point (according to Simon Lamb who is writing AMax II) there will
be sound support (ie digital sound samples). There is Hard Drive support
(which you don't mention), and he is worjing on AppleTalk support, and
should be including it in this release.

>						-David Navas
>navas@sim.berkeley.edu

						Stephen Orr
						SandIsoft
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jwright@cfht.hawaii.edu (Jim Wright) (07/29/90)

sjorr@cbmtor.UUCP (Stephen Orr) writes:
|One small point (according to Simon Lamb who is writing AMax II) there will
|be sound support (ie digital sound samples). There is Hard Drive support
|(which you don't mention), and he is worjing on AppleTalk support, and
|should be including it in this release.

Does AMAX II take over the machine, or does the new release multitask?

--
Jim Wright
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koleman@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kurt Koller) (07/30/90)

Also, Amax II comes with two serial ports on it, one Rs232 and the other the
infamous "AppleTalk" port.  At least this was the impression I was getting
from the ad I saw...
Kurt "Koleman" Koller - amdahl!bungia!orbit!pnet51!koleman

plonka@carroll1.cc.edu (Dave Plonka) (07/30/90)

In article <2936@orbit.cts.com> koleman@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kurt Koller) writes:
>Also, Amax II comes with two serial ports on it, one Rs232 and the other the
>infamous "AppleTalk" port.  At least this was the impression I was getting
>from the ad I saw...
>Kurt "Koleman" Koller - amdahl!bungia!orbit!pnet51!koleman

Actually, Amax II appears to be only a software upgrade. I just received an
upgrade offer from Readysoft, and what you are refering to seems to be what
Readysoft is calling Amax II Plus. This plus version comes as a Zorro II
card, on which the 128K mac roms are place, and includes 2 Mac serial ports.
On our macs, Appletalk is connected over the Printer serial port, so this
apparently would give you appletalk access.

Alas, Amax II Plus is said to be only "under development" by ReadySoft and
a Fall 1990 delivery. (BTW it also provides the ability to R/W mac disks in
Amiga drives.)

The version 2 software supports 68020, 68030, Hard disks partitions, Mac
digitized sounds, and easier file transfers.
64K ROMS ARE NO LONGER SUPPORTED.

For the upgrade ReadySoft wants $49.95 ($59.95 CDN) +$5 S/H.
Note: this will be applied toward the upgrade to II plus once it is available.

Sounds good to me!

Dave
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donb@bushido.uucp (Donald Burnett) (07/30/90)

I just recieved the upgrade information for A-MAX II. It (the softw.) will
be shipping at the end of July. They want you to send a $50 upgrade fee.
This will also entitle you to a reduced rate to upgrade to the AMAX II Plus
hardware. Here's a listing of what you supposedly can do with the new soft.

1) Greater compatibility with 68030 systems inc. A3000
2) Hard Drive Support (via a partition)
3) Sound support (yes internal mac sound)
4) ECS support (640x480, 640x960 and Moniterm/2024 support 100x800)
5) SCSI peripheral support (yes virigina you can plug in a MAC CD ROM)
6) WB2.0 compatibility
7) A mac side utility for file transfer between Amigados, which will
   support conversion of popular file formats.

AMAX II PLUS (WHAT THE Hardware upgrade does)
1) fits in an A2000/2500/3000 slot
2) gives you an Apple talk, printer and modem port (for midi)
3) interfaces with your Amiga drives to write and read direct to
   mac disks.

   That's the story Hopefully it's helpful

   Thanks,
   donb


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donb@bushido.uucp (Donald Burnett) (07/30/90)

Hello, the suggestion for a Mac Term program I would suggest under A-MAX
is a nice SHAREWARE program called ZTERM, which has emulation, Zmodem etc.
Also, AMAX II  is coming out which does sound and hard drives. My upgrade
noticed promised software upgrade shipment in July (last week)

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APPLEREP@MTUS5.BITNET (07/31/90)

Kurt:

Write the following sentance down 200 times.

"AppleTalk is a protocol; Localtalk is a cabling system."

Then you may go out for recess, and not before then.

Tom Amberg
Apple Student Rep
Michigan Technological University (go Huskies!!)

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