[comp.sys.amiga] Two for the price of one...

mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (Real Amigas have keyboard garages) Meyer) (07/26/90)

Broken laws, that is.

I got another chain letter in the mail yesterday evening. I usually
just send them to the local postmaster so they can deal with the
offender.  But this one had a new twist - they were asking to be sent
software. They promised people "up to 625 disks with the hottest Amiga
software around".

There were four names on the list. So at a minimum they're attempting
to steal 2500 software titles. At an average price of $40 apiece
(meaning that they're going to be getting a lot of games), that's a
hundred thousand dollars worth of software. Assuming that it's mostly
productivity software so that the average price is $100, that's a
quarter of a million dollars worth of software.

The letter claims to have started in August of '89. Assuming this is
true, and that it takes about a month to send the one disk and five
letters, then a 5-way tree 5 levels deep has received those 625 disks,
or some 4000 people, meaning as much as a quarter of a billion dollars
worth of stolen software.

Them bucks sound like a real target for an international criminal
ring. Which shouldn't surprise you - that's what they are!

The four people wanting to recieve stolen goods were:

A.M.Cubero	Hjaltabakka 22		109 Reykjavik		Iceland
T.K.Gunnarsson	Hverfisgata 49		101 Reykjavik		Iceland
F.Eidsson	Tungata 27		101 Reykjavik		Iceland
G.Gestsson	P.O. Box 115		551 Saudarkrokur	Iceland

If you want a copy of the letter, just send email. The FBI already has
one, and the postmaster will be getting one soon.

	<mike
--
How many times do you have to fall			Mike Meyer
While people stand there gawking?			mwm@relay.pa.dec.com
How many times do you have to fall			decwrl!mwm
Before you end up walking?

janhen@sci.kun.nl (Jan Hendrikx) (07/31/90)

In article <MWM.90Jul25152250@raven.pa.dec.com> mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (Real Amigas have keyboard garages) Meyer) writes:
[about a chain letter asking for software:]
>The four people wanting to recieve stolen goods were:
[...]
>If you want a copy of the letter, just send email. The FBI already has
>one, and the postmaster will be getting one soon.

What makes you think those people aren't asking for freely distributable
software? Remark that could be construed as insulting, but that is not
meant as such: Was _your_ first thought: "I'd like to send them a copy
of this great commercial program FooBarPaint"? Then who suggested first
that the software would be stolen?

This looks like an over-reaction to me.

mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (Real Amigas have keyboard garages) Meyer) (08/01/90)

In article <2070@wn1.sci.kun.nl> janhen@sci.kun.nl (Jan Hendrikx) writes:
   In article <MWM.90Jul25152250@raven.pa.dec.com> mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (Real Amigas have keyboard garages) Meyer) writes:
   [about a chain letter asking for software:]
   >The four people wanting to recieve stolen goods were:
   [...]
   >If you want a copy of the letter, just send email. The FBI already has
   >one, and the postmaster will be getting one soon.

   What makes you think those people aren't asking for freely distributable
   software?

Because they didn't ask for freely distributable software. Either
you've seen this letter, or you're defending a document you've never
seen.

   Remark that could be construed as insulting, but that is not
   meant as such: Was _your_ first thought: "I'd like to send them a copy
   of this great commercial program FooBarPaint"?

Nope. My first thought was that they're trying to steal software. A
very carefull rereading of the letter didn't provide anything to
dissuade me of that. After that, I thought about sending them a copy
of my latest software release; except that it was already out on a
Fish disk, and the pyramid scheme itself is illegal in the US.

   This looks like an over-reaction to me.

This looks like a comment from someone who's expecting software
through the pyramid.

	<mike
--
It's been a hard day's night,				Mike Meyer
And I been working like a dog.				mwm@relay.pa.dec.com
It's been a hard day's night,				decwrl!mwm
I should be sleeping like a log.

janhen@wn3.sci.kun.nl (Jan Hendrikx) (08/06/90)

In article <MWM.90Jul31121745@raven.pa.dec.com> mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (Real Amigas have keyboard garages) Meyer) writes:
>In article <2070@wn1.sci.kun.nl> janhen@sci.kun.nl (Jan Hendrikx) writes:
>   What makes you think those people aren't asking for freely distributable
>   software?
>
>Because they didn't ask for freely distributable software. Either
>you've seen this letter, or you're defending a document you've never
>seen.

I have never seen the letter, I'll admit that first. All I know about it
is from your description of it. And that does not include anything
that indicates that they are explicitly ask for illegal software; the
most compromising remark seems to be about the 'hottest' software around.
But they _could_ (emphasis: could) mean programs like MSH with that.

>   Remark that could be construed as insulting, but that is not
>   meant as such: Was _your_ first thought: "I'd like to send them a copy
>   of this great commercial program FooBarPaint"?
>
>Nope. My first thought was that they're trying to steal software. A
>very carefull rereading of the letter didn't provide anything to
>dissuade me of that. After that, I thought about sending them a copy
>of my latest software release; except that it was already out on a
>Fish disk, 

So is it correct that all illegal activities are in the eye of the
beholder? If you start with the assumption that something harmful
is meant, it is not disproved by the letter. But apparently the opposite
is also not disproved. (Note again that I have never seen the acual
letter)

> and the pyramid scheme itself is illegal in the US.

That is of course an entirely different matter (unknown to me). Based
on this fact, of course it is possible to take action. (But then it
might be legal in the countries of the people on the address list.)

>   This looks like an over-reaction to me.
>
>This looks like a comment from someone who's expecting software
>through the pyramid.

Certainly not. I get most of my software from Fred Fish and this very
network, since it is the best place to get quality software for the Amiga.
IMHO.

>	<mike

-Olaf Seibert