trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) (08/02/90)
While pondering all the information that will open up when an Amiga optical disk becomes available(RSN), I wondered what I could possible want that would fill up an disk. Let's think real hard. What is probably an Amiga owners greatest resource for PD, Shareware programs? What would fill up approximately 400 or the 800normal disk space of an optical disk? (assuming a fall release) Now, the final question is... Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) Think about it, no more looking through the back of a magazine for titles, a reduction in c.s.a traffic for FTP sites of fish disks, code examples at your typing finger tips, games galore! And only with Amiga. _____________________________________________________________________________ Jerry J. Trantow | A basic premise is an absolute that permits no 1560 A. East Irving Place | co-operation with its antithesis and Milwaukee, Wi 53202-1460 | tolerates no tolerance. (414) 289-0503 | Ayn Rand _____________________________________________________________________________
vilkas@ultima.cs.uts.oz (Jhary a Conel) (08/06/90)
trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: >Now, the final question is... >Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) I think AQUARIUM is already the name of a BBS or ftp site that stores the disks, but I think it would be a good name. Or Oceanarium....or Bathosphere (no? ... I don't think so either) Let's see who comes up with the best idea, and we can go and tell Fred that he MUST do it and it MUST be called such and such. >Jerry J. Trantow | A basic premise is an absolute that permits no Jhary
will@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (William Chou) (08/06/90)
In article <18152@ultima.cs.uts.oz> vilkas@ultima.cs.uts.oz (Jhary a Conel) writes: >trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: > >>Now, the final question is... >>Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) > >I think AQUARIUM is already the name of a BBS or ftp site that stores the >disks, but I think it would be a good name. > >Let's see who comes up with the best idea, and we can go and tell >Fred that he MUST do it and it MUST be called such and such. ^ Yes, Fred will do our bidding! (Evil Laugh :-)) How about Commodore come up with a complete Amiga Update package including 2.0, a CD-ROM drive, and "The Fish Tank" (simple, elegant) and call it "Fish 'n Chips" ? =============================================================================== // "Only Amigas Be Excellent to Yourself, And most of all... \\ // Make It And Be Excellent to Eachother. Be Excellent to Your Amiga! \X/ Possible" - Bill & Ted will@cunixf.columbia.edu
trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) (08/06/90)
In article <18152@ultima.cs.uts.oz> vilkas@ultima.cs.uts.oz (Jhary a Conel) writes: >trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: >>Now, the final question is... >>Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) > >I think AQUARIUM is already the name of a BBS or ftp site that stores the >disks, but I think it would be a good name. > >Let's see who comes up with the best idea, and we can go and tell >Fred that he MUST do it and it MUST be called such and such. > >Jhary Now hold on just a second. Fred has done a great deal already! The last thing that I want to see come out of this discussion is a loud chorus of whining about how we MUST have it, because we WANT it, we NEED it, and of course it better be free. Rather I would like to see discussion of all the possible ways it could be used to save ti, effort, and ultimately $$$. Then the idea has merit and someone (maybe Fred, maybe CBM, maybe some enterprizing individual) will see that it is worth the investment and risk. _____________________________________________________________________________ Jerry J. Trantow | I swear by my life and my love of it, 1560 A. East Irving Place | that I will never live for the sake of another man, Milwaukee, Wi 53202-1460 | nor ask another man to live for mine. (414) 289-0503 | Ayn Rand _____________________________________________________________________________
sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (08/07/90)
vilkas@ultima.cs.uts.oz (Jhary a Conel) writes: >trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: >>Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) >I think AQUARIUM is already the name of a BBS or ftp site that stores the >disks, but I think it would be a good name. This isn't that great but it's a start: Optical---> Optic ---> Eye, so how about ... Fish Eye? Also fisheye lenses are used to make pictures that contain a lot more info than normal. -- John Sparks |D.I.S.K. Public Access Unix System| Multi-User Games, Email sparks@corpane.UUCP |PH: (502) 968-DISK 24Hrs/2400BPS | Usenet, Chatting, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|7 line Multi-User system. | Downloads & more. A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of----Ogden Nash
jeh@athena.sisd.kodak.com (Ed Hanway) (08/07/90)
trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: >Now hold on just a second. Fred has done a great deal already! [...] >[...] the idea has >merit and someone (maybe Fred, maybe CBM, maybe some enterprizing >individual) will see that it is worth the investment and risk. My feelings exactly. However, I would hope that if anyone does this for profit, that Fred should get some benefit from this, too. Whether or not Fred has a compilation copyright on his library, I think that for his effort in maintaining the library (for how long now, nearly 5 years?) he deserves some of the rewards. Of course, in case you can't tell, I think a Fish CD-ROM would be a great success. Every users group, every university Amiga lab, every commercial developer, every mass storage nut in the world should have one. -- Ed Hanway (speaking for myself, not my employer)
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (08/08/90)
In article <5583@uwm.edu>, trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: >>Let's see who comes up with the best idea, and we can go and tell >>Fred that he MUST do it and it MUST be called such and such. >> >>Jhary > Now hold on just a second. Fred has done a great deal already! The last > thing that I want to see come out of this discussion is a loud chorus of > whining about how we MUST have it, because we WANT it, we NEED it, and of > course it better be free. I agree. In a community of nearly 2,000,000 people, I think Fred has done MUCH more than his share of the chores. Regards Alan
king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King) (08/09/90)
In article <1990Aug6.201001.7113@sisd.kodak.com> jeh@athena.sisd.kodak.com (Ed Hanway) writes: >trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: >>Now hold on just a second. Fred has done a great deal already! [...] [and so on about a Fish CD-Rom] There would seem to be inexpensive places to get such a CD made. Optical Media International, Los Gatos, is offering Mac owners whow purchase SoundTools a chance to get 1000 CD-ROMs pressed for $2000. $199 to transfer audio from DAT to CD-ready format. Disc artwork is available for $99. Anyone in the Los Gatos area care to call 408-395-4332 (or elsewhere in USA (which I am not) phone 800-DISC-OMNI) and ask about an Amiga CD-ROM? I'll send $5 (US currency) to anyone willing to undertake such a project. PS. I have no affiliation whatsoever with the above mentioned company. -- Se non e` vero, e` ben trovato ...{utzoo|mnetor}!dciem!dretor!king king@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
joseph@valnet (Joseph Hillenburg) (08/09/90)
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: > In article <5583@uwm.edu>, trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: > >>Let's see who comes up with the best idea, and we can go and tell > >>Fred that he MUST do it and it MUST be called such and such. > >> > >>Jhary > > Now hold on just a second. Fred has done a great deal already! The last > > thing that I want to see come out of this discussion is a loud chorus of > > whining about how we MUST have it, because we WANT it, we NEED it, and of > > course it better be free. > > > I agree. In a community of nearly 2,000,000 people, I think Fred has done > MUCH more than his share of the chores. > > Regards Alan I agree too. Fred has done enough. Let CBM worry about it. If CBM gave a Fish CD with their CD-ROM drive, I would buy it just for the Fish disk. -Joseph Hillenburg InterNet: joseph@valnet UUCP: iuvax!valnet!joseph PC-Link: Joe Hillenburg Most other systems: Joseph Hillenburg Don't buy a computer unless it's an Amiga - Me - AMIGA RULES! - AMIGA RUL
rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) (08/10/90)
In article <5508@uwm.edu> trantow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jerry J Trantow) writes: >While pondering all the information that will open up when an Amiga optical >disk becomes available(RSN) [...] >Now, the final question is... > >Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) "Moby Disk"? -- >>"Aaiiyeeee! Death from above!"<< | (Steve) rehrauer@apollo.hp.com "Spontaneous human combustion - what luck!"| Apollo Computer (Hewlett-Packard)
ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) (08/10/90)
In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>Now, the final question is... >> >>Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) > >"Moby Disk"? >-- I like it! And could you get automatic updates by subscribing to "Fresh Fish"?
bdraschk@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke) (08/10/90)
ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: >In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >> >>"Moby Disk"? Moby was a whale, whales are not fishes.... :( Good idea anyway, but i prefered FishEye! When this Fish/CD project starts, will we poor Europeans benefit? At which prize?? -- Bernd 'The Real Arthur!' Raschke | Only // bdraschk@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de | \\ // Amiga @faui44 | \X/ makes it possible "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
rusty@steelmill.cs.umd.edu (Rusty Haddock) (08/10/90)
In article <1990Aug9.202602.8226@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: >In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>>Now, the final question is... >>> >>>Will there be a FredFish optical disk? (Needs a catchy name) >> >>"Moby Disk"? >>-- >I like it! >And could you get automatic updates by subscribing to "Fresh Fish"? "Disk Instructions" would be written on a Quick Reference Cod. And in case your CD player isn't spinning at the right speed, Fred will offer a Disk Tuna! :-) :-) :-) Hey, with a last name like Haddock what would you expect??? -Rusty- -- Rusty Haddock DOMAIN: rusty@mimsy.cs.umd.edu Computer Science Department PATH: {uunet,rutgers}!mimsy!rusty University of Maryland "IBM sucks silicon!" College Park, Maryland 20742 -- PC Banana Jr,"Bloom County"
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (08/10/90)
In <bdraschk.650239580@faui09>, bdraschk@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke) writes: >ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: > >>In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>> >>>"Moby Disk"? >Moby was a whale, whales are not fishes.... :( Yes, but it'd be a whale of a collection. :-) -larry -- Sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) (08/11/90)
[References to "Fish Eye" and "Aquarium" deleted]
Fish Eye is logical, but sounds grody; how about something which has
an aura of "class" (even though I think it tastes awful):
Caviar.
- R'ykandar.
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| to see some of our fine Amway products?" - TRHMS | CIS 72406,370/LOW ORBIT |msiskin@us.cc.umich.edu (Marc Siskin) (08/11/90)
One use of the extra space on the CD-ROM would be to provide compressed
versions of the directories on each Fish Disk. This would permit easy
downloading of complete programs with source and docs. I am sure that
one large market for the Fish CD-ROM would be for sysops who can then
provide the entire collection for downloading. Imagine trying to download
a program with many small files one file at a time.
Marc Siskin
Michigan Amiga Computer Resource Organization Librarianlphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (08/12/90)
In <54117@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>, amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman - AmigaMan) writes: >In article <1865@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: >>In <bdraschk.650239580@faui09>, bdraschk@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke) writes: >>>ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: >>> >>>>In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>>>> >>>>>"Moby Disk"? >>>Moby was a whale, whales are not fishes.... :( >> >>Yes, but it'd be a whale of a collection. :-) > >Boy, is it me, or does this conversation seem like it's floundering... Yup. I'm going to give up on it. It's giving me a haddock. -larry -- Sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman - AmigaMan) (08/13/90)
In article <1865@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: >In <bdraschk.650239580@faui09>, bdraschk@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke) writes: >>ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: >> >>>In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>>> >>>>"Moby Disk"? >>Moby was a whale, whales are not fishes.... :( > >Yes, but it'd be a whale of a collection. :-) Boy, is it me, or does this conversation seem like it's floundering... :-P AMH * Andy Hartman | I'd deny half of this crap anyway!| "Somedays, you just * Indiana University |-----------------------------------| can't get rid of a * // Amiga Man | amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | bomb!" * \X/ At Large! | AMHARTMA@rose.ucs.indiana.edu | - Batman (original)
cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (08/14/90)
In article <54117@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman - AmigaMan) writes: >Boy, is it me, or does this conversation seem like it's floundering... >:-P Holy Mackerel this has got to stop. Not only are these bad puns but they Smelt bad too! -- --Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: <none> Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. "I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!"
bscott@nyx.UUCP (Ben Scott) (08/14/90)
In article <1869@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: >Yup. I'm going to give up on it. It's giving me a haddock. STOP THESE PUNS, you're giving EVERYONE pains...if it were accidental, that would be one thing, but (wait for it!) you're doing this on porpoise. Besides, trying to find a nautical name for the proposed Fish CD collection is going at it all bass-ackwards (sorry!); what ought to be done instead is to figure out a way to store data in tartar sauce. This would also get around the problem of CD-ROM reader scarcity. On the other hand, to cut costs a 3" CD could be made with selected disks compressed onto it (I think they hold about 180 megs), and call it Shrimp... . <<<<Infinite K>>>> -- .---------------------------------------------------------------------------. |Ben Scott, professional goof-off and consultant at The Raster Image, Denver| |Amiga UUCP node domain: bscott@vila.denver.co.us Else: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu| |FIDO point address 1:104/421.2, or call the Arvada 68K BBS at (303)424-9831| |"Don't embarrass us..." "Have I ever?" - Buckaroo Banzai | *AMIGA POWER* | `---------------------------------------------------------------------------'
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (08/14/90)
In <40593@sequent.UUCP>, cseaman@sequent.UUCP (Chris "I'm Outta Here, Man!" Seaman) writes: >bscott@nyx.UUCP (Ben Scott) writes: >< lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: >< >Yup. I'm going to give up on it. It's giving me a haddock. >< >< STOP THESE PUNS, you're giving EVERYONE pains...if it were accidental, that >< would be one thing, but (wait for it!) you're doing this on porpoise. > >Nah, we're just doing it for the halibut! > >(Are we having pun yet?) Let's kipper going! Herring these is good for the sole, and I'd rather read puns than salmon's idea of a flame war. Trout them out! Perch in front of your keyboard and don't be bullheaded. Sometimes I hake myself. :-) -larry -- Sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Chuck.Phillips@FtCollins.NCR.COM (Chuck.Phillips) (08/14/90)
>>>>> On 12 Aug 90 11:26:26 GMT, lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) said: > In <54117@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>, amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman - AmigaMan) writes: >In article <1865@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: >>In <bdraschk.650239580@faui09>, bdraschk@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke) writes: >>>ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: >>> >>>>In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>>>> >>>>>"Moby Disk"? >>>Moby was a whale, whales are not fishes.... :( >> >>Yes, but it'd be a whale of a collection. :-) > >Boy, is it me, or does this conversation seem like it's floundering... Larry> Yup. I'm going to give up on it. It's giving me a haddock. Buoy, oh buoy! You guys have a lot of gull wasting net.bandwidth on such tails of dubious porpoise. Guess I'd better fin'ish before I make a bass of myself. I'm trout of here! -- Chuck Phillips MS440 NCR Microelectronics Chuck.Phillips%FtCollins.NCR.com 2001 Danfield Ct. Ft. Collins, CO. 80525 uunet!ncrlnk!ncr-mpd!bach!chuckp
" Seaman) (08/15/90)
bscott@nyx.UUCP (Ben Scott) writes: < lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: < >Yup. I'm going to give up on it. It's giving me a haddock. < < STOP THESE PUNS, you're giving EVERYONE pains...if it were accidental, that < would be one thing, but (wait for it!) you're doing this on porpoise. Nah, we're just doing it for the halibut! (Are we having pun yet?) -- Chris (Insert phrase here) Seaman | /o -- -- -- cseaman@sequent <or> ||| -- -- - I'm Outta Here, Man! ...!uunet!sequent!cseaman |vvvv/ -- -- - The Home of the Killer Smiley |___/ -- -- --
aj733@cleveland.freenet.edu (Tim Hnat) (08/15/90)
> >ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: > >>In article <4c1a0d9e.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>> >>>"Moby Disk"? >Moby was a whale, whales are not fishes.... :( >Good idea anyway, but i prefered FishEye! > Yeah...but there would a whale of information on a FF/CD...I like Moby Disk. [th] -- ,_O ----------------------------------------------------------------------- :> If you think *that's* funny...look in a mirror! 4 To all those who came before me...you're history! Amiga Man---aj733--------aj733%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm-----------------
jdickson@jpl-mil.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeff Dickson) (08/15/90)
High all!
The CLI/New Shell environment supports a search path that can be
altered via the 'Path' command. Is there such a way to get Workbench to
follow a similiar convention?
Thanxs, Jeff
~desmarai@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Stephane Desmarais) (08/16/90)
In article <2686@corpane.UUCP> sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) writes: > >This isn't that great but it's a start: > >Optical---> Optic ---> Eye, so how about ... > >Fish Eye? > >Also fisheye lenses are used to make pictures that contain a lot more info >than normal. Sorry, that name is already taken, and for something which has nothing to do about Fish disks. It does however relate to the broad view you need when faced will LOTS of information that you want to correlate together. And it does relate to optical/video disks. Ask martin@iro.umontreal.CA if you want more details. -- Stephane M. Desmarais desmarais@iro.umontreal.ca (le Domaine Canadien) Departement d'informatique uunet!mcgill-vision!iros1!desmarais Universite de Montreal C.P. 6128 Succ. A Montreal Quebec Canada H3C 3J7 Projet IBM/CRIM/UdeM sur MAP/MMS (514) 343-6111 poste 3541
xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (08/17/90)
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: >bdraschk@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Raschke) writes: >>ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) writes: >> >>>rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Rehrauer) writes: >>>> >>>>"Moby Disk"? >>Moby was a whale, whales are not fishes.... :( > >Yes, but it'd be a whale of a collection. :-) There's only one thing I want to call such an archive: Mahi Mahi Disk ;-) Kent, the man from xanth. <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us> -- (It helps if you say it fast!)
david@twg.com (David S. Herron) (08/18/90)
In article <4562@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> jdickson@jpl-mil.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jeff Dickson) writes: > The CLI/New Shell environment supports a search path that can be >altered via the 'Path' command. Is there such a way to get Workbench to >follow a similiar convention? Yeah.. easy.. With pathman, Bill (AREXX) Hawes' path handler.. I forget the details since they're buried in my startup-sequence and it's been awhile since that was written. Basically what pathman does is let a "device" (one of those "<name>:" names) be a list of path specifications. On my system I have C: map to something like ram:c,sys:local/c,sys:c and all the other things like l:, libs:, devs:, fonts: and the like have a similar list. This lets me have the stock-standard amiga-dos stuff but to overlay it with my own stuff at will. You can also play tricks with file protection so that pieces of that list are write protected, for instance. This way a command like "copy file to c:file" will put it into the first directory in the c: list which gives write-priveledges. It works very very nicely and invisibly to almost all uses. The only problem I have is remembering to, when editing my startup-sequence, use the real path-name for it (sys:s/startup-sequence) rather than s:startup-sequence. This is because I have write protection on that part of s:'s list turned off and when I write the file out it ends up in sys:local/s and isn't found on reboot. -- <- David Herron, an MMDF weenie, <david@twg.com> <- Formerly: David Herron -- NonResident E-Mail Hack <david@ms.uky.edu> <- <- Sign me up for one "I survived Jaka's Story" T-shirt!