wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) (08/08/90)
Yesterday I got my A3000 25/100. I like the machine very much, except that it seems to be fabricated in kind of a cheap way. The processor not in a socket??? Well, anyway, here are some questions: 1) Bru seems to have problems. When I'm supposed to change disks, bru gives me the following message. bru: warning - unrecoverable error on first block: Invalid argument I start it with the following batch file: stack 40000 cd sys: bru -cvDZ -N 16 It's a pity that at least in Switzerland neither HDBackup nor AmigaVision are yet included. 2) The next question concerns the WB menu Tools. In the manual it just says that the application you wish to start via this menu must support it. So is it not possible for me to start e.g. Sculpt with this menu? 3) I hate the #? wildcards. Why did they keep them? So I installed ARP at once. However, the ARP Copy command seems not to work - nothing happens. Solutions? 4) JRComm1.0 doesn't work! It always gives me a software failure saying Not enough memory, which is ridiculous: Any .99 version works fine, and I've plugged in an old 2meg ram board (I can't find 32bit ramchips, everybody wants them :-) 5) Sometimes, a program need a looooong time to build up its screen. This happened with several programs, e.g. SA4D. What's this? 6) In the manual on page 3-80 it says that you can set a new preference (e.g. a new printer) by using the command Printer Laser ACTION USE without opening the editor window. I tried it with to presets called Font11 and Font8 (guess what they do :-) and the command Font Font11 ACTION USE resp. Font Font11.pre ACTION USE but the editor window pops up always. When I click at the Font11 icon, it works. I can't think of anything else, but more is sure to come ;-) -- ------------------------------------ Chris Brand - wizard@sosaria.imp.com "Justice is the possession and doing of what one is entitled to" - Platon ------------------------------------
navas@cory.uucp (David C. Navas) (08/09/90)
In article <03584.AA03584@sosaria.imp.com> wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) writes: >I can't think of anything else, but more is sure to come ;-) I can :) I've noticed a disturbing feature in the 3000 at the local store. [This is their second 3000, their first 3000 having been DOA]. The 1950 moniter seems to jump 2 pixel-rows every once in awhile -- very disturbing. IS this a known misfeature of the de-interlacer?, the 1950?, or is this computer also in need of repair? ------------------ Also, does anyone know the phone number for educational orders to Lattice? I need a new compiler (I've still got Manx 3.4a), and I definitely need those library building functions. Thanks David Navas navas@sim.berkeley.edu "Excuse my ignorance, but I've been run over by my train of thought." -me
eric@cbmvax.commodore.com (Eric Cotton) (08/10/90)
In article <03584.AA03584@sosaria.imp.com> wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) writes: >6) In the manual on page 3-80 it says that you can set a new preference > (e.g. a new printer) by using the command > Printer Laser ACTION USE > without opening the editor window. I tried it with to presets called > Font11 and Font8 (guess what they do :-) and the command > Font Font11 ACTION USE resp. Font Font11.pre ACTION USE > but the editor window pops up always. When I click at the Font11 icon, > it works. The documentation was written concurrently with much of the 2.0 software. Alas, there are occasional last minute changes to the software that don't make it into the manuals... Anyway, currently not all the editors support presets/arguments. Those that do no longer accept the ACTION keyword. The example should be as follows: Printer Laser USE The template is: FROM,EDIT/S,USE/S,SAVE/S Where FROM specifies the preset and EDIT, USE, and SAVE are switches which communicate the action to perform. The Font editor is a bit different because it deals with three sets of Preferences (workbench, screen, and system). Consequently, it has three additional switches. The template is: FROM,EDIT/S,USE/S,SAVE/S,WORKBENCH/S,SCREEN/S,SYSTEM/S Thus your example should be: Font Font11.pre USE WORKBENCH to set the Workbench font (for instance). -- Eric Cotton Commodore-Amiga (215) 431-9100 1200 Wilson Drive {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!eric West Chester, PA 19380 "I don't find this stuff amusing anymore."
consp13@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Marcus Cannava) (08/10/90)
In article <26883@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, navas@cory.uucp (David C. Navas) writes: |> |> I've noticed a disturbing feature in the 3000 at the local store. |>[This is their second 3000, their first 3000 having been DOA]. The 1950 |>moniter seems to jump 2 pixel-rows every once in awhile -- very disturbing. |>IS this a known misfeature of the de-interlacer?, the 1950?, or is this |>computer also in need of repair? |> |>------------------ |> I can add my $0.02... I have an A3000 and it exhibits the same behaviour. The machine at my dealer's does the same thing. Anyone know what the story is? \marc ======= 'I do not fear computers.. I fear the lack of them' -- I. Asimov RNM
U3364521@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lou Cavallo) (08/11/90)
G'day,
CB> In article <03584.AA03584@sosaria.imp.com>, wizard@sosaria.imp.com
CB> (Chris Brand) writes:
CB> Yesterday I got my A3000 25/100. I like the machine very much, except that
CB>
CB> [Chris's other problems deleted here as I wish to refer to printers only]
CB>
CB> 6) In the manual on page 3-80 it says that you can set a new preference
CB> (e.g. a new printer) by using the command
CB> Printer Laser ACTION USE
CB> without opening the editor window. I tried it with to presets called
CB> Font11 and Font8 (guess what they do :-) and the command
CB> Font Font11 ACTION USE resp. Font Font11.pre ACTION USE
CB> but the editor window pops up always. When I click at the Font11 icon,
CB> it works.
CB>
CB> Chris Brand - wizard@sosaria.imp.com
I would be interested if someone would post a summary of the new Amiga DOS 2.0
support for printers. Actually I'd like to read a summary of all its new modes
and features but I'd be greedy if I asked that. :-)
I haven't gotten close enough to an Amiga 3000 down here in Oz to be able to
take a look for myself. Some small thing to do with them not being available
yet. :-)
yours truly,
Lou Cavallo.ewout@topcat.cbm.commodore.com (Ewout Walraven - CATS) (08/12/90)
U3364521@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lou Cavallo) writes: >G'day, >I would be interested if someone would post a summary of the new Amiga DOS 2.0 >support for printers. Actually I'd like to read a summary of all its new modes >and features but I'd be greedy if I asked that. :-) The printer.device has not been ehanced for 2.0. >yours truly, >Lou Cavallo. ec.
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (08/13/90)
In <1990Aug13.205558.17392@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >In article <13767@cbmvax.commodore.com> peter@cbmvax (Peter Cherna) writes: >> >>"Outline fonts in 2.0" was one of the better rumors that went around. >>(we do have scalable bitmap fonts in 2.0, so some confusion stems from >>that). Sad thing about rumors is that they aren't always true. The >>improved speech IS in 2.0, and was added after Beta 5. I'm not familiar >>with any printer enhancements that were "promised" for 2.0. > > No scalable outline? Compugraphic told me that Commodore >had licensed their font technology. This has been repeated to me >by someone of SoftLogic. Is this suddenly changed? Someone telling you that CBM licensed their font technology does not constitute a promise to put it into 2.0, even if it is true. > Also, I hope that that improved speech isn't what is >included in the current A3000s because my computer still sounds >like a robot (for male speech) and a robot with someone crushing >his balls (for female speech)!!! If the speech you heard sounds the same as the speech in 1.3, then you haven't heard the improved speech. While it will not win any awards for its rendition of 'Amazing Grace', it is very definitely a major improvement. -larry -- Sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
BARRETT@OWL.ECIL.IASTATE.EDU (Marc Barrett) (08/13/90)
In message <13761@cbmvax.commodore.com> <ewout@topcat.cbm.commodore.com> (Ewout Walraven) writes: >U3364521@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lou Cavallo) writes: > >>G'day, > >>I would be interested if someone would post a summary of the new Amiga DOS 2.0 >>support for printers. Actually I'd like to read a summary of all its new modes >>and features but I'd be greedy if I asked that. :-) > >The printer.device has not been ehanced for 2.0. > >>yours truly, >>Lou Cavallo. > >ec. What happened to all that talk on the net a while back about Commodore hiring the author of GPRINT to do a new & vastly improved printer.device (and printer drivers) for AmigaOS2.0? Has Commodore decided to can that, too? This is starting to get rediculous. One by one, most of the features that Commodore said were "in there" with respect to AmigaOS 1.4 have been eliminated from AmigaOS2.0. First the structured fonts, then the improved speech synthesis, and now the printer support. Has Commodore improved anything in AmigaOS besides the Workbench? Ever since developers started getting their beta 2.0 releases, I've been hearing "you're gonna love it" from all of them. But, the more I keep hearing about it, the more certain I am that I am gonna hate it. -MB- ---------------------------------------------------- | BITNET: BARRETT%FOREST.ECIL.IASTATE.EDU@ISUVAX | | Internet: BARRETT@FOREST.ECIL.IASTATE.EDU | | SnailMail : 2923 Oakland St. | Ames, Iowa 50010 | | TelCo : (515) 292-7270 | | Fido : Marc Barrett (1:285/614.0) | |--------------------------------------------------|
donb@bushido.uucp (Donald Burnett) (08/13/90)
Hello, here is an answer for you on some of the questions you had. First of all HDBACKUP is a front end for BRU and you definitely should ask either a commodore employee (here) or the distribution people there about that. Second of all, yes there is a way to get at the tools menu. there is a new PD program called ADDTOOLS and it's by the VirusX author Steve Tibbitts. It should be at a sight somewhere. I cannot ftp, but know those who can, so I will suggest to some one to get it up here. And with addtools programs don't have to directly support it, you can use CLI utilities even or EXECUTE batch files.. VLT works fine, don't know about JR COmm.. Hope this helps out some... -- ****************************************************************************** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** donb@bushido.uucp ***** ***** My opinions are my own, and no one else's ***** ***** Standard disclaimer ***** ***** Organizational Affiliations: *****
peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna) (08/13/90)
In article <4E470D12BFBF40044C@ISUVAX.BITNET> BARRETT@OWL.ECIL.IASTATE.EDU (Marc Barrett) writes: >> What happened to all that talk on the net a while back about Commodore >hiring the author of GPRINT to do a new & vastly improved printer.device >(and printer drivers) for AmigaOS2.0? Has Commodore decided to can that, >too? Hmm. That would be me. I did write GPrint, but I wasn't hired to do any printer work. I was hired to do user-interface work, such as the Gadget Toolkit, parts of Preferences, Workbench, and Intuition. (BTW, GPrint is only as good as it is because it's not general, i.e. it's tied to a specific printer, a small subset of resolutions, doesn't support color or scaling, etc. It just happens that the small subset of features I supported meets a lot of needs. If you twiddle the printer preferences, you can get almost the same result (seriously).) > This is starting to get rediculous. One by one, most of the features >that Commodore said were "in there" with respect to AmigaOS 1.4 have >been eliminated from AmigaOS2.0. First the structured fonts, then the >improved speech synthesis, and now the printer support. Has Commodore >improved anything in AmigaOS besides the Workbench? "Outline fonts in 2.0" was one of the better rumors that went around. (we do have scalable bitmap fonts in 2.0, so some confusion stems from that). Sad thing about rumors is that they aren't always true. The improved speech IS in 2.0, and was added after Beta 5. I'm not familiar with any printer enhancements that were "promised" for 2.0. There are lots of other improvements in 2.0 that run considerably deeper than Workbench. As a quick and incomplete list: Gadget Toolkit (easier and more standard user interfaces) New look Many extensions to Workbench Support for oversize screens Direct overscan support Productivity and Hedley-mode support in Intuition Bitmap-scaled fonts DOS commands rewritten in C, smaller with more features Standard file and font requesters Console cut-and-paste Improved shell, including implicit cd, backtick (see below) Completely rewritten and extended Preferences DOS library converted to C with many useful extensions FFS in ROM RAM is faster I thought I'd explain shell-backtick as the "feature-of-the-week". If you put a command in backticks (reverse apostrophe, if you like), then it will be executed, and the result will be placed in the original command line. For example, if you have a program called "foo" in your path, but you forget where, but you'd like to copy it to df0:, in 1.3, you would do: You: which foo Amiga: DH0:mytools/foo You: copy DH0:mytools/foo df0: Under 2.0, you can say: You: copy `which foo` df0: And poof! > Ever since developers started getting their beta 2.0 releases, I've >been hearing "you're gonna love it" from all of them. But, the more >I keep hearing about it, the more certain I am that I am gonna hate >it. I still think you will like it. But if you believe too deeply in various rumor sources, of course you'll be disappointed. When you were five, Santa Claus was a rumor. > -MB- Peter -- Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!peter peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer. "This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left."
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (08/14/90)
In article <13767@cbmvax.commodore.com> peter@cbmvax (Peter Cherna) writes: > >"Outline fonts in 2.0" was one of the better rumors that went around. >(we do have scalable bitmap fonts in 2.0, so some confusion stems from >that). Sad thing about rumors is that they aren't always true. The >improved speech IS in 2.0, and was added after Beta 5. I'm not familiar >with any printer enhancements that were "promised" for 2.0. No scalable outline? Compugraphic told me that Commodore had licensed their font technology. This has been repeated to me by someone of SoftLogic. Is this suddenly changed? Also, I hope that that improved speech isn't what is included in the current A3000s because my computer still sounds like a robot (for male speech) and a robot with someone crushing his balls (for female speech)!!! > Peter >-- > Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. > {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!peter peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com >My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer. >"This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left." -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Tell NewTek that my bread is already toasted and they better be coming out with a microwave!
peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna) (08/14/90)
In article <1990Aug13.205558.17392@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > No scalable outline? Compugraphic told me that Commodore >had licensed their font technology. This has been repeated to me >by someone of SoftLogic. Is this suddenly changed? Licensed != released in a product. >Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Peter -- Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!peter peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer. "This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left."
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (08/14/90)
In article <13780@cbmvax.commodore.com> peter@cbmvax (Peter Cherna) writes: >In article <1990Aug13.205558.17392@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > >> No scalable outline? Compugraphic told me that Commodore >>had licensed their font technology. This has been repeated to me >>by someone of SoftLogic. Is this suddenly changed? > >Licensed != released in a product. > But Licensed implies that a release is forthcoming. I don't expect everything in 2.0. For a new release of a major upgrade I am more than happy with 2.0 and its relative lack of bugs, but I would be dismayed if Compugraphic isn't in place within 6-8 months from now. It is coming to the Mac, and Commodore I'm sure had to PAY Compugraphic for the license! > Peter >-- > Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. > {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!peter peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com >My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer. >"This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left." -- Ethan Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Tell NewTek that my bread is already toasted and they better be coming out with a microwave!
peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna) (08/14/90)
In article <11331@wehi.dn.mu.oz> BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes: >In article <13767@cbmvax.commodore.com>, peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna) writes: >> >> "Outline fonts in 2.0" was one of the better rumors that went around. >> (we do have scalable bitmap fonts in 2.0, so some confusion stems from >> that). Sad thing about rumors is that they aren't always true. > > >Well, I'm gona cry foul over that one. The "rumor" has been released by >Commodore, GoldDisk _and_ Agfa. The press releases were along the lines >that Agfa Compufont technology has been licensed to C= through GoldDisk >but will not appear in time for the OS2.0 release, but will appear in >hopefully the next interim release after that. Someone mentioned a delay >of about 5 months. This is a highly significant claim, and if it is not >true, we had better get a C= debriefing. I feel it will affect a lot of >sales. No foul here. Read my fingers: NO OUTLINE FONTS IN 2.0! This is highly specific and not equivalent to "no outline fonts ever". It also doesn't contradict anything you claim you heard. If and when Commodore is ready to announce a product, an announcement will be made. Until that time, I hardly think Commodore "had better give" anybody a debriefing. People should relax, and stop equating the fact that we may have ongoing development projects not yet released with the opinion that the walls around us are tumbling down. >Regards Alan Peter -- Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!peter peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer. "This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left."
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (08/15/90)
In article <13767@cbmvax.commodore.com>, peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna) writes: > > "Outline fonts in 2.0" was one of the better rumors that went around. > (we do have scalable bitmap fonts in 2.0, so some confusion stems from > that). Sad thing about rumors is that they aren't always true. Well, I'm gona cry foul over that one. The "rumor" has been released by Commodore, GoldDisk _and_ Agfa. The press releases were along the lines that Agfa Compufont technology has been licensed to C= through GoldDisk but will not appear in time for the OS2.0 release, but will appear in hopefully the next interim release after that. Someone mentioned a delay of about 5 months. This is a highly significant claim, and if it is not true, we had better get a C= debriefing. I feel it will affect a lot of sales. Regards Alan
seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) (08/15/90)
In-Reply-To: message from BARRETT@OWL.ECIL.IASTATE.EDU Well, don't know about the improved print handling (I use an NEC LC890 Pageprinter, and am very satisfyed with it), but the improved speech handling is in there... The new narrator.device is alot better...it's alot bigger also. It comes on the release version, or, the most current version of AmigaDOS 2.0...it'll even work under 1.3 :') The outline fonts will come in a later revision of 2.0...remember the machine reviewed in BYTE? It had the prototype 50megger from Quantum, but the first A3000s had the standard 40meg...well, now they're coming with the 50Mb unit. Same will happen with the OS, although that'll be easier for those who've already purchased A3000s to upgrade to. Remember, trying to base any kind of decision, or form any oppinion about AmigaDOS 2.0 right now isn't very smart. Until a unit comes with the new ROMs, nobody knows WHAT is going to eventually be in the "official" version of 2.0. Sean //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// UUCP: ...!crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc | ARPA: !crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc@nosc.mil | " Fanatics have their INET: seanc@pro-party.cts.com | dreams, wherewith they | weave a paradise for RealWorld: Sean Cunningham | a sect. " Voice: (512) 994-1602 PLINK: ce3k* | -Keats | Call C.B.A.U.G. BBS (512) 883-8351 w/SkyPix | B^) VISION GRAPHICS B^) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
aduncan@rhea.trl.oz.au (Allan Duncan) (08/15/90)
From article <13767@cbmvax.commodore.com>, by peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna): > In article <4E470D12BFBF40044C@ISUVAX.BITNET> BARRETT@OWL.ECIL.IASTATE.EDU (Marc Barrett) writes: ... >> Ever since developers started getting their beta 2.0 releases, I've >>been hearing "you're gonna love it" from all of them. But, the more >>I keep hearing about it, the more certain I am that I am gonna hate >>it. > > I still think you will like it. But if you believe too deeply in various > rumor sources, of course you'll be disappointed. When you were five, > Santa Claus was a rumor. Hmm. What I _don't_ like is the ergonometrics of the window cut/paste. To use it you have to move your hand to the mouse and mark out, then back to the keyboard to paste using the Amiga key on the same side as 99% have their mouse. I prefer the snipit approach of left Amiga and select/menu - with practice most cut and paste is done without moving the hands in between. Allan Duncan ACSnet a.duncan@trl.oz (03) 541 6708 ARPA a.duncan%trl.oz.au@uunet.uu.net UUCP {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz!a.duncan Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
fnf@fishpond.uucp (Fred Fish) (08/17/90)
In article <03584.AA03584@sosaria.imp.com> wizard@sosaria.imp.com (Chris Brand) writes: >1) Bru seems to have problems. When I'm supposed to change disks, bru gives > me the following message. > > bru: warning - unrecoverable error on first block: Invalid argument > > I start it with the following batch file: > > stack 40000 > cd sys: > bru -cvDZ -N 16 > > It's a pity that at least in Switzerland neither HDBackup nor AmigaVision > are yet included. Double buffering (-D) is a "unix only" feature at the moment, since it depends upon unix shared memory, fork, and exec. It should however, simply be a nop on nonunix machines, and will inform you of that fact if you run with maximum verbosity (-vvvv). There does appear to be a problem though, because I was able to reproduce it here with the same command. -Fred -- # Fred Fish, 1835 E. Belmont Drive, Tempe, AZ 85284, USA # 1-602-491-0048 asuvax!mcdphx!fishpond!fnf
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (08/21/90)
In article <926@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> U3364521@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lou Cavallo) writes: > >I would be interested if someone would post a summary of the new Amiga DOS 2.0 >support for printers. Actually I'd like to read a summary of all its new modes >and features but I'd be greedy if I asked that. :-) As already stated by others, there are NO new features for printing on an A3000, as long as printer drivers and printer.device are concerned. It's still like 1.3. The only change is with preferences where you have now more tools available to change settings from within script files or from workbench to predefined alternatives. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ rutgers!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
rwm@atronx.UUCP (Russell McOrmond) (08/22/90)
In a message posted on 9 Aug 90 16:35:26 GMT,
navas@cory.uucp (David C. Navas) wrote:
DCN>[This is their second 3000, their first 3000 having been DOA]. The 1950
DCN>moniter seems to jump 2 pixel-rows every once in awhile -- very disturbing.
Interesting - We noticed something similar on our machine at work - We changed
monitors (We've been experimenting with a lot of MultiScan and VGA monitors),
and the problem goes away (IE: The problem is with the 1950 itself).
P.S. We've got a nice GoldStar VGA that looks just as good as the 1950, but
is much cheaper - Look into various monitors.
---
Opinions expressed in this message are my Own. My Employer does not even
know what these networks ARE.
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