schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) (08/19/90)
At first I found it rather strange that AmigaBASIC wasn't included with the software that came with my 3000. Not even with the 1.3 software. After trying numerous times to run different things, it appears to not work at all with 1.3 or 2.0. Under 2.0 if you try to load, save or run ANYTHING in Basic the machine crashed immediately. Under 1.3 programs will simply not run. Does this mean that I HAVE to program in C from now on? I don't have a C compiler package at home and sometimes I found it easier to just do Basic instead of writing applications at work and downloading them to test it. Any comments on this? ============================================================================== \ / \ \ / / Sean Schur \ \ / / \ \/ / USENET: schur@isi.edu \ /a\mpyr/ Compuserve: 70731,1102 \/ \ / ideo Plink: OSS259 \/ ==============================================================================
wfh58@leah.Albany.Edu (William F. Hammond) (08/19/90)
In article <14617@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes: >At first I found it rather strange that AmigaBASIC wasn't included with the >software that came with my 3000. Not even with the 1.3 software. After trying > . . . >Does this mean that I HAVE to program in C from now on? ... > . . . The idea seems to be that ARexx is now the standard high level interpreted language for the Amiga. In almost every way ARexx is superior to AmigaBASIC, and it is no more difficult to learn. The ARexx language is recursive (a routine may call itself), and a routine may "compute" its own future code. Additionally, ARexx has become the user-level backbone for inter-process communication on the Amiga. Your editor and your terminal program, written independently, can talk to each other according to your instructions, provided only that each opens an "ARexx message port" through which it can receive instructions in its internal command language. (The freely distributable editor "dme" by Matt Dillon and the freely distributable terminal program "VLT" by Willy Langeveld are an example of a pair that can be hooked up this way.) Additionally, the instructions that are being tossed back and forth can be "computed" according to your instructions. >USENET: schur@isi.edu >Compuserve: 70731,1102 >Plink: OSS259 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- William F. Hammond Dept. of Mathematics & Statistics 518-442-4625 SUNYA, Albany, NY 12222 hammond@leah.albany.edu wfh58@albnyvms.bitnet ----------------------------------------------------------------------
hclausen@adspdk.CBMNET (Henrik Clausen) (08/20/90)
>In article <14617@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes: >Under 2.0 if you try to load, save or run ANYTHING in Basic the >machine crashed immediately. Under 1.3 programs will simply not run. Not 32 bit clean. The A3000 is probably the first Amiga with Ram in 32 bit space, and AmigaBASIC uses the upper 8 bits for other information. MicroSoft product, BTW. Real dirty programming. >Does this mean that I HAVE to program in C from now on? I don't have a C >compiler package at home and sometimes I found it easier to just do Basic >Any comments on this? Check out ARexx. It'll prove to be a real nice language for Text, file console oriented activity. Much cleaner than BASIC, but of course there's a new syntax to learn. And there's a whole new world of scripting for other programs and interprocess communication waiting for you. Written by Bill Hawes, of ConMan fame. Lean, efficient, stable. There's also a very good commercial BASIC available - GFA. Should do the job (or will be updated to work if not). -Henrik -- | Henrik Clausen, Graffiti Data (Fido: 2:230/22.33) | | ...{pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmehq!adspdk!hclausen | \__"Do not accept the heart that is the slave to reason" - Qawwali trad__/
rick@tmiuv0.uucp (08/20/90)
In article <14617@venera.isi.edu>, schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes: > At first I found it rather strange that AmigaBASIC wasn't included with the > software that came with my 3000. Not even with the 1.3 software. Microsoft blew it with AmigaBASIC. CBM made every effort to tell programmers NOT to use the upper byte of address registers for anything, since anything other than a 68000/68010 uses that byte for addresses (remember that 68000s only have 24-bit addresses). Microsoft put stuff in there. Now, on anything other than a 3000, it won't hurt too much. However, on the 3000, the OS ends up way high in memory. When you run AmigaBASIC, the wonderous stuff that Microsoft slapped into the high byte of the address registers will conflict with the OS bigtime. 1.3 doesn't complain too much, but it's not reliable at all. 2.0 will die almost immediately. Sorry. Understand, this isn't the Amiga's fault, it's Microsoft's. They chose to ignore CBM's admonitions, and they got bit. If you really need BASIC, I'd suggest getting one of the BASIC compiler systems like TrueBASIC. They work pretty much like AmigaBASIC. In fact, I think one of them is even fully source code compatible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [- O] Rick Stevens, Technology Marketing Incorporated ? EMail: uunet!zardoz!tmiuv0!rick -or- uunet!zardoz!xyclone!sysop V CIS: 75006,1355 (75006.1355@compuserve.com from Internet) "Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle science fiction." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
donb@bushido.uucp (Donald Burnett) (08/20/90)
In article <14617@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes: >At first I found it rather strange that AmigaBASIC wasn't included with the >software that came with my 3000. Not even with the 1.3 software. After trying >numerous times to run different things, it appears to not work at all with >1.3 or 2.0. Under 2.0 if you try to load, save or run ANYTHING in Basic the >machine crashed immediately. Under 1.3 programs will simply not run. > >Does this mean that I HAVE to program in C from now on? I don't have a C >compiler package at home and sometimes I found it easier to just do Basic >instead of writing applications at work and downloading them to test it. >Any comments on this? > >============================================================================== > > \ / > \ \ / / >Sean Schur \ \ / / > \ \/ / >USENET: schur@isi.edu \ /a\mpyr/ >Compuserve: 70731,1102 \/ \ / ideo >Plink: OSS259 \/ > >============================================================================== AmigaBASIC is for the most part incompatible with the 68020/30. When the first accelerator boards came out for the 2000 this was the case too. I suggest the following: 1) This is *ONLY* IF you don't mind totally loosing your previous basic programs (if you do then check into one of the AMIGABASIC compilers out on the market that works with the 030 (look at the one from Michtron, I have at least seen this work) 2) CHECK OUT AREXX that came with your machine. For the most part it's function is similar to BASIC, and there are some of us out here who think it's better than basic anyway (and more flexible). It also will give you some great IPC (InterProcessCommunication) between programs which support it.. As for a fix to AmigaBASIC, who knows?? With the AmigaBASIC compilers available that work with the 030, many won't care.. Thanks, -- ****************************************************************************** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** donb@bushido.uucp ***** ***** My opinions are my own, and no one else's ***** ***** Standard disclaimer ***** ***** Organizational Affiliations: *****
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (08/21/90)
In article <14617@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes: >At first I found it rather strange that AmigaBASIC wasn't included with the >software that came with my 3000. Not even with the 1.3 software. After trying >numerous times to run different things, it appears to not work at all with >1.3 or 2.0. Under 2.0 if you try to load, save or run ANYTHING in Basic the >machine crashed immediately. Under 1.3 programs will simply not run. Yes, the old AmigaBASIC 1.2 has problems on the A3000. There are rumors that there will come Real Soon Now an update. Until then it will not be included with the A3000. To survive the time until then, here a bit of workaround: 1. Use NoFastMem. 2. Start programs ONLY from Workbench. (Prevents you from using dos Execute) 3. IF you MUST use dos Execute and thus MUST call AmigaBASIC from CLI/Shell, you are a bit in trouble, because PRINT and INPUT can't operate fully with the OutPut Window (no variable values...). If you want to defeat this too, then write your own output and input routines (I did) by OPENing a CON: window as random access files (LEN=1), one for in, one for out. Then you're done. But ok, you better wait for the update, I'm very optimistic to see it soon. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ rutgers!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Shurilla) (08/21/90)
In article <14617@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes: >At first I found it rather strange that AmigaBASIC wasn't included with the >software that came with my 3000. Not even with the 1.3 software. After trying >numerous times to run different things, it appears to not work at all with >1.3 or 2.0. Under 2.0 if you try to load, save or run ANYTHING in Basic the >machine crashed immediately. Under 1.3 programs will simply not run. > Has anyone with a 3000 tried any programs compiled with the AC BASIC compiler. In the absence of a 2.0 compatible BASIC interpreter this would be attractive to we lowlife BASIC programmers ;-) dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
billsey@agora.uucp (Bill Seymour) (08/22/90)
In article <5836@uwm.edu> dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Shurilla) writes: :In article <14617@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes: :>At first I found it rather strange that AmigaBASIC wasn't included with the :>software that came with my 3000. Not even with the 1.3 software. After trying :>numerous times to run different things, it appears to not work at all with :>1.3 or 2.0. Under 2.0 if you try to load, save or run ANYTHING in Basic the :>machine crashed immediately. Under 1.3 programs will simply not run. :> :Has anyone with a 3000 tried any programs compiled with the AC BASIC compiler. :In the absence of a 2.0 compatible BASIC interpreter this would be attractive :to we lowlife BASIC programmers ;-) Our program (The Disk Labeler) is compiled AmigaBASIC using AC BASIC. It works just fine with the 3000 and 2.0. My guess is Absoft did things right. Now, if we could just get Microsoft on the bandwagon... :-) :dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu -- -Bill Seymour ...tektronix!reed!percival!agora!billsey ============================================================================= Bejed, Inc. NES, Inc. Northwest Amiga Group At Home Sometimes (503) 281-8153 (503) 246-9311 (503) 656-7393 BBS (503) 640-0842
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (08/22/90)
In article <5836@uwm.edu> dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Shurilla) writes: > >Has anyone with a 3000 tried any programs compiled with the AC BASIC compiler. >In the absence of a 2.0 compatible BASIC interpreter this would be attractive >to we lowlife BASIC programmers ;-) Well, I tried one (1) program on an A3000 and it worked. No sufficient test, indeed. But enough to say that AC doesn't break immediately... Must add that this was compiled on an A2000 and loaded from floppy to the A3000. Did not try to compile it on the A3000. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ rutgers!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) (08/22/90)
In article <4616@tmiuv0.uucp> rick@tmiuv0.uucp writes: >If you really need BASIC, I'd >suggest getting one of the BASIC compiler systems like TrueBASIC. Several problems with this: TrueBASIC is not a real compiler. It "compiles" to p-code which it then interprets. Not fast, not pretty. TrueBASIC is not at all AmigaBASIC compatible. TrueBASIC is extraordinarily slow, except in math operations wherein it does surprisingly well. TrueBASIC will crash on non-68000 based Amiga computer systems. (They use the one instruction you're not supposed to use...) I know this firsthand; I had to buy it for a class. All in all, it was a total waste of my money. - R'ykandar. -- | R'ykandar Korra'ti | Editor: LOW ORBIT Science and Fiction | PLink: Skywise | | Elfinkind, Unite! | phoenix@ms.uky.edu | phoenix%ms.uky.edu@ukcc.bitnet | | "Hi! We're evangelical Hari-Krishna pedophiles for LaRouche! Would you like | | to see some of our fine Amway products?" - TRHMS | CIS 72406,370/LOW ORBIT |
ccc@anomaly.sbs.com (Cole Calistra) (08/24/90)
If I remember correctly, CSA has a fix for AmigaBasic to work on the 020 and
030. From what I remember, Commodore gave them permission to patch AmigaBasic
for their 020 and 030, (I would imagine it would work on all 020's and 030's)
since they were they only one's with 020's out at the time. Give them
a call and see if they can send you a copy, that is if you are so hard up
for AmigaBasic.
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=pnelson@hobbes.uucp (Phil Nelson) (08/27/90)
In article <5836@uwm.edu> dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Shurilla) writes: >Has anyone with a 3000 tried any programs compiled with the AC BASIC compiler. >In the absence of a 2.0 compatible BASIC interpreter this would be attractive >to we lowlife BASIC programmers ;-) I sent a short program to Joe Smith, he said it ran fine on his 3000. That doesn't prove that the compiler will run on a 3000, but my guess is that it will. >dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Phil Nelson . uunet!pyramid!oliveb!tymix!hobbes!pnelson . Voice:408-922-7508 War on drug abuse- YES. War on the Constitution- NO.
rbw@lanl.gov (Bob Walker) (08/27/90)
In article <3760@tymix.UUCP>, pnelson@hobbes.uucp (Phil Nelson) writes: > In article <5836@uwm.edu> dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Shurilla) writes: > > >Has anyone with a 3000 tried any programs compiled with the AC BASIC compiler. > I sent a short program to Joe Smith, he said it ran fine on his 3000. > That doesn't prove that the compiler will run on a 3000, but my guess > is that it will. > > >dannys@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > > Phil Nelson . uunet!pyramid!oliveb!tymix!hobbes!pnelson . Voice:408-922-7508 I just compiled the "hello" program using the AC BASIC compiler -- It seems to work just fine on an A2000/A2630. Bob Walker, T-12, LANL rbw@lanl.gov
glin@lehi3b15.csee.Lehigh.EDU (George Lin [900116]) (08/28/90)
GFA BASIC is messed up also. The sound I programmed in a loop won't come out of the speakers until the program is terminated. The IFF->BOB program never came out. And get this: I CALLED ANTIC SOFTWARE AND THEY SAID GFA BASIC HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED!!!!!! I currently in the process of getting my $ back. :(. GLin