ugblaszy@sunybcs.UUCP (02/05/87)
Netters,
I just received the March issue of Compute! It talks about the NEW Amiga2000.
I have not heard any discussion on the net, or in this news group so I thought
I would include this article to tell everyone ( that's if they already don't
know). I will quickly summarize the article ( if that's possible ). Commodore
has included alot of IDEAS that fellow netters were looking for.
Summary of Article : ( Note : I just got the mag. and I am reading and typing
at the same time, so be patient. This source is taken from Compute! mag from
the March 1987 issue. So I hope most of there info is correct.
Amiga 2000 - price under- $1500
The "basic" machine has one 3.5 drive, SEVEN expansion slots, three drive ports,
and a 200-watt power supply, and a CHOICE between a $300 or $500 monitor. The
Amiga2000 is completely software compatible with Amiga1000. Uses the "standard"
operating system 1.2.
Quoted from compute! :
Two keys of expandability at low cost are the optional Amiga Bridge card, which
allows the Amiga to run IBM PC software ( yecch ), and PC-compatible expansion
slots on the machine's main circuit board. Note, with a Bridge equipped Amiga
2000, you could read documents directly from IBM floppy disk and process them
for publishing on the Amiga end system. The two processors communicate over a
shared memory area.
( If your getting BORED hit 'n' NOW because this going to be a long review )
EXTERNALS : The case is considerably taller to make room for extra internal
hardware and expansion slots. The overall shape is the same as the Amiga1000.
The front panel has room for 3-drives (2-3.5 drives & 1 5.25 drive half-height )
The mouse, joystick and keyboard ports are now grouped together on the FRONT.
The 2000 has the same parallel printer port and rs-232 serial port as IBM-pc.
VIDEO AND SOUND: as in the 1000, the 2000 is controlled by the chips, Agnes,
Denise amd Paula. The 2000 has all the screen modes of the 1000 and includes
the same-4 channel sound system. Two new monitors the a2002 monitor is a
switchable rgb - composite video. And the a2080, is a LONG-persistence
monitor. Note to use composite , you need a a2060 comp./rf modulator. Also,
Commodore has included a MIDI interface OPTION the a1400 MIDI. It includes
midi IN, OUT, THROUGH.
INTERNALS : same microprocessor as 1000. Motorola 68000 at clock speed of
7.14meghz. Optional ( from commodore??? ), is a acclerator board 32-bit
Motorola 68020 at 14 Mhz, a MMU, and cache memory. Can also accept a 68881
math cooprocessor. Comes with 1 MEG of memory. The 2000 has 256K of ROM
that contains the OS. An optional, hard disk/SCSI contoller ( from commodore ).
The card, includes 2-hard disk interfaces and a high-speed tape drive for
backing up a hard drives contents. Also, includes a built-in clock/calendar
with battery backup for time and date-stamping.
I could go on forever but this is JUST supposed to be a quick review.
I would like to disclaim any wrong information that I might have stated.
Most of this article is from the Compute magazine.
What was that a Rumor about a AMiGA 2000, it is more than just a rumor,
it is real.
To Dave Wecker, thanks for the VT100 term emulator, do you know of any good
introduction and reference books for Image processing. To Matt Dillon, for
his work on the Amiga, Thank You.
Well have to go and SAVE some money,
DAVE
!! disclaimer !! disclaimer !! disclaimer !! disclaimer !! disclaimer !!
Dave Blaszyk
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~grr@cbmvax.UUCP (02/09/87)
In article <2226@sunybcs.UUCP> ugblaszy@sunybcs.UUCP (David V. Blaszyk) writes: >Netters, > >I just received the March issue of Compute! It talks about the NEW Amiga2000. >I have not heard any discussion on the net, or in this news group so I thought >I would include this article to tell everyone ( that's if they already don't >know). I will quickly summarize the article ( if that's possible ). Commodore >has included alot of IDEAS that fellow netters were looking for. Somebody at Compute! apparently made a big mistake and published the article before the authorized release date. While the article may be substantially correct ;-), we (Commodore Peons) have been asked not to discuss the new machines until the Official Commodore Product Announcement. As I understand it, this will be in within the next couple of weeks. One caution I would suggest is that anyone discussing the new machine or The Compute! article should please try to make a clear distinction between the possibilities that such a new machine creates and what will actually be available on days 1 thru n. There are enough good things there without unintentionally creating false or exaggerated expectations. -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)
hatcher@INGRES.BERKELEY.EDU.UUCP (02/23/87)
I'm told that I was incorrect: Commodore *did* announce the Amiga 2000 at the Commodore Show, they just didn't *release* it. They did explicitly mention the word "June" when pressed. Someone asked what year, and they said "1987". We'll see, but at least it was said explicitly. Doug
cagordon@watnot.UUCP (03/31/87)
Her{ is some info which might be of interest of someone. I got it from
QuantumLink:
SUBJ: Amiga 2000 Press Release (R1)
FROM: RBAKER 03/25/87 S#: 508233
New Commodore Amiga 2000
Features IBM Option, Open Architecture
Expandability, Multi-Tasking Highlight Performance
The Commodore Amiga 2000 computer, which debuted in March at the Hanover
Fair in West Germany, features an open architecture with seven internal
expansion slots and a megabyte of built-in memory. This new addition to
Commodore's Amiga family of personal computers also provides an optional
"bridge" to IBM-PC compatibility, making it one of the most unique and
versatile personal computers on the market. The Amiga 2000 uses the same
68000 microprocessor as the current Amiga 1000, and is completely compatible
with existing Amiga V1.2 system software. Its acclaimed multitasking
capabilities make it able to run both Amiga and IBM-PC applications at the
same time. According to Nigel Shepherd, general manager, Commodore North
America, both Commodore and independent manufacturers will offer Amiga 2000
plug-in cards for a variety of applications. These cards include expansion
memory (up to 9 MB total), hard disk drive controllers, 68020/68881
coprocessors for advanced scientific and graphics applications, genlock
video synchronizers, and video digitizers. Most cards designed for IBM-PC
computers can be used in the A2000 when the optional Bridge Board is
installed. In addition to one built-in 3.5", 880 KB disk drive, the Amiga
2000 can accept two more storge devices mounted internally: a second 3.5"
and one 5.25" drive.
IBM COMPATIBILITY
IBM compatibility on the Amiga 2000 is achieved using the A2088 Bridge
Board, a Commodore plug-in card with an Intel 8088 microprocessor, the same
chip used in the IBM-PC XT computer. The Bridge Board comes with MS-DOS
software version 3.2. Another IBM-C AT-compatible Bridge Board based on the
more powerful 80286 microprocessor will be available from Commodore in the
future under the model number A2286.
ADD-ON MEMORY
Commodore will provide a memory expansion board to augment the Amiga 2000's
standard one megabyte of memory. The A2050 RAM expansion board can be
configured with either a half-megabyte, one megabyte or two megabytes of
RAM. "Software developers have been ager to tap the Amiga's sound, graphics
and video chips, and that takes memory," said Mr. Shepherd. "Now they will
have enough memory to unleash the full power the Amiga offers."
"In addition, the Amiga 2000's large memory and superb graphics make it an
outstanding choice for desktop publishing as well as for maintaining huge
databases and spreadsheets. Even the most demanding users will never outgrow
the Amiga 2000," Mr. Sheperd added.
FEATURES
The Amiga 2000 is being introduced simultaneously with the Amiga 500
computer, an affordable, full-performance Amiga intended for sophisticated
home users.
Both the Amiga 2000 and the Amiga 500 share the following features:
* Motorola 68000 CPU operatins at 7.14 MHz
* 4096 color graphics driven by high-speed custom graphics hardware
* 4 channel left/right sound generation and built-in speech
* compatible with the current Amiga 1000 version 1.2 system software
* ROM resident V1.2 Kickstart/kernal
* parallel and serial ports usin industry-standard connectors
* new 94-key keyboard with separate numeric keypad, ten function keys,
inverted-T cursor pad and larger Enter and Shift keys.
* AmigaDOS, Workbench (the window oriented user interface), two-button mouse
and AmigaBASIC from Microsoft Corp. included in the package.
The Amiga 2000 will be available in the first half of 1987 at a suggested
retail price of $1499.
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When you care enough to send the very best, send MONEY!shimoda@rmi.UUCP (Markus Schmidt) (04/23/88)
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Hi all!
How glad are you A1000-Users.
Just some minutes ago I heard, that the new graphic-chips from CA are
for the 2000 but for the 2000B only. So I feel really p***ed from CA,
since I have paid more for my A2000 than the B2000 costs now. But my
machine is as dead as the 1000 is (ok, it works, fine but I bought
a machine that was supposed to be expanditive, which has a Zorro II
and god knows what else).
I guess now I know why noone answered my question about new-stuff and
A2000A 2 weeks ago.
Comments welcome
Cu
Markus
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`-'duncanj@umd5.umd.edu (James Duncan) (04/25/88)
Could someone please explain what the difference in the A2000 and the B2000 are? Please note ALL differences that you know of which would cause incompatibility and upgrade problems. How can you tell them apart? Thanks, Jim Duncan
papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) (04/25/88)
In article <2614@umd5.umd.edu> duncanj@umd5 (James Duncan) writes: >Could someone please explain what the difference in the A2000 and the >B2000 are? Please note ALL differences that you know of which would >cause incompatibility and upgrade problems. How can you tell them >apart? If you are in the US, only B2000s were sold. If you are in Europe you could have bought either one. In term of upgrades these are the 3 main issues (in my opinion) that make the B2000 "more upgradable" than the A2000: 1. second video slot that provides more RGB data bits. The FlickerFixer from MicrWay will use the second video slot, so it cannot be used with the A2000. All boards that use the second slots cannot be used with the A2000. 2. 1 Meg Fat Agnus. The A2000 does not have a Fat Agnus but a whole set of chips that have the same function, so the new chip for the B2000 won't go into it. 3. Coprocessor slot. The behavior of a signals is different and the master /slave protocol between a 68000 and 68020 is also different, so for example one has to extract the 68000 when adding a 68020 accelerator to a A2000, while no such thing is needed with a B2000. -- Marco -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) (04/25/88)
In article <1064@rmi.UUCP> shimoda@rmi.UUCP (Markus Schmidt) writes: . Stuff deleted >Just some minutes ago I heard, that the new graphic-chips from CA are >for the 2000 but for the 2000B only. So I feel really p***ed from CA, >since I have paid more for my A2000 than the B2000 costs now. But my . More deleted stuff Just how do you tell the difference between A2000's and B2000's? Any info on when the '286 card will come? When will the graphics chips come (I know I'm just asking for rumours, but that's better than nothing. I also have to type in more lines than there were in the original article, or the poster won't like it) If/when the graphics chips with non-interlaced video comes, will they require special coding, or are the old programs going to work "just like that" ?
bilbo@pnet02.cts.com (Bill Daggett) (04/26/88)
shimoda@rmi.UUCP (Markus Schmidt) writes: > >Just some minutes ago I heard, that the new graphic-chips from CA are >for the 2000 but for the 2000B only. So I feel really p***ed from CA, >since I have paid more for my A2000 than the B2000 costs now. But my >machine is as dead as the 1000 is (ok, it works, fine but I bought >a machine that was supposed to be expanditive, which has a Zorro II >and god knows what else). > >Markus Just be still awhile longer. Stop flaping your arms around. What software is out that uses the new graphic chips? Do you think software developers will write for the 2000 chips only? Could a 3rd party adapt the new chips to the 1000 market? They did a pretty good job giving us internal RAM and Kickstart in ROM. Maybe I'll upgrade in another year. I'm not excited yet. -- Yawn! Bill UUCP: {ihnp4!scgvaxd!cadovax rutgers!marque}!gryphon!pnet02!bilbo INET: bilbo@pnet02.cts.com * Sometimes The Dragon Wins! * Still looking for the best Amiga BBS software to resurrect Bilbo's Hideaway on - but not holding breath!
rpa@gos.ukc.ac.uk (R.P.Almeida) (04/26/88)
In article <8688@oberon.USC.EDU> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >In article <2614@umd5.umd.edu> duncanj@umd5 (James Duncan) writes: >>Could someone please explain what the difference in the A2000 and the >>B2000 are? Please note ALL differences that you know of which would >>cause incompatibility and upgrade problems. How can you tell them >>apart? > >1. second video slot that provides more RGB data bits. >2. 1 Meg Fat Agnus. >3. Coprocessor slot. The behavior of a signals is different. > Also 4. The B2000 has 1Mbyte memory on the main board, whereas the A2000 has only 0.5Mbyte on the main board, and 0.5Mbyte in a 'half full' 1Mbyte board in the Coprocessor slot. This means losing 0.5Mb when you want to add the Commodore 68020 card. 5. The B2000 has a composite video output whereas the A2000 doesnt. This is probably the easiest way to tell the machines apart, as the B2000 has an extra phono jack next to the Audio outputs. (Making a total of 3 phono jacks.) 6. CSA 68020 cards don't tend to work in B2000 if you have the Commodore A2090 hard disk controller, whereas they do in the A2000 when you change one of the PALS on the A2000 main board. 7. The top 0.5Mbytes of memory in the B2000 is half-fast memory, (so as to be compatible with the new graphics chips), whereas on the A2000 the extra 0.5Mb is true fast memory. Richard Almeida. ________________________________________________________________________ These are my personal views/findings and dont represent the views of the University of Kent in any way. _________________________________________________________________________
daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) (04/29/88)
in article <3127@enea.se>, tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) says: > Keywords: A2000 / B2000 > UUCP-Path: uunet!enea!tope > > In article <1064@rmi.UUCP> shimoda@rmi.UUCP (Markus Schmidt) writes: > Just how do you tell the difference between A2000's and B2000's? The easiest way is to look on the back of the unit for RCA-type phono jacks. If you see two, it's an A2000; three, a B2000. -- Dave Haynie "The B2000 Guy" Commodore-Amiga "The Crew That Never Rests" {ihnp4|uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: D-DAVE H BIX: hazy "I can't relax, 'cause I'm a Boinger!"
lphillips@lpami.van-bc.UUCP (Larry Phillips) (05/02/88)
In <1413@gos.ukc.ac.uk>, rpa@gos.ukc.ac.uk (R.P.Almeida) writes: >7. The top 0.5Mbytes of memory in the B2000 is half-fast memory, (so as to > be compatible with the new graphics chips), whereas on the A2000 the > extra 0.5Mb is true fast memory. Well, it would have been true FAST memory if they hadn't saddled it with wait states. It's rather disgusting to find that the second half meg runs 12-18% slower, regardless of DMA. It was the German design, and it makes me hope that CBM never again allows that team to get anywhere near an Amiga. I pulled the half meg, added a Micron 2 meg board (works flawlessly), and am a lot happier knowing my memory runs at full rated speed. -larry -- Janus? Well, look at it this way. If you squint a little, the J could be Amiga checkmark, and the rest of the word describes MsDos. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ {ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision,uunet}!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
don@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Donald R Lloyd) (08/05/90)
FOR SALE:
Amiga 2000
3 megs RAM
48 meg HD
super agnus
1.3 OS
2400 internal modem
3.5" floppy
1084S stereo monitor
A hard drive stuffed with as much PD software as you'd like, and, oh, say..
30 blank floppies. Mouse & keyboard included, of course.
I'd like $2000 for the complete system, and don't plan on breaking it up
unless I get separate offers for ALL of it.
Send mail or call (302)-836-3645 and leave a message (unless you're really
lucky & I happen to be home, awake, and not on the phone at the time :-).
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here. DISCLAIMER: It's all YOUR fault.Gary_D_Walborn@cup.portal.com (08/07/90)
For sale: (Yet Another Amiga for Sale)
Amiga 2000
1 Meg Chip Ram (Fatter Agnes)
2 Meg Micron Memory Board
2090A Hard Disk Controller w/ ST-251 40 Meg Drive
FlickerFixer
Ronin Hurricane 2000 16 MHz 68020 w/ 68881
Cable for A1000 style serial port
Casper Super VGA Monitor
or
Thomson 4375 monitor (Multi-Sync)
Around $2500 Depending on Monitor selected and options
Contact: Gary D. Walborn/7551 Sugartree Dr./Youngstown, OH 44512
Phone: Work: (216) 758-8323 Ext. 242 Home: (216) 726-8450don@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Donald R Lloyd) (08/27/90)
For Sale:
Amiga 2000
1.3 ROMs
3 megs RAM
48 MB HD
super agnus
2400bd internal modem
mouse, 3.5" drive, brand new keyboard
1084S stereo monitor w/"flicker master" screen
Quite a bit of PD s/w
MPS1250 Epson-comp. dot printer
Would like to sell as a package, $1900 + shipping. All manuals &
original WB disks included, and will throw in a 68010 if you want it.
Call (302)-836-3645 if you feel lucky enough to catch me at home & not
already on the phone. Otherwise, e-mail will probably work best.
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here. DISCLAIMER: It's all YOUR fault.Fred.Penner@f70.n140.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Fred Penner) (08/31/90)
There you are!!! I couldn't find you. I have a HECK of a time
trying to reply to your plast message. I was wondering if you could hold
it for me for a sec. I and I know the stuff that I would like.... Ready?
Here it is:
Amiga 2000 (keybord, mouse, etc.)
1.3 ROMs
48 MB Hd
Super Agnus
And the A2090A autoboot controller.
Could you gimme a price on those? Thanks ALOT. Talk to you later.
Bye for now.
Fred Penner
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