ugmiker@sunybcs (Michael Reilly) (07/27/87)
hi all.....
by the end of august I just might be able to get enough money
together to buy some extra memory(believe it or not...). Right now I
have a vanilla amiga(I like lisp and flavors), nothing but the usual
512k memory. I was thinking about the "insider", and was wondering
what kind of experiences people have had with it. I was also wondering
if maybe people who bought one meg, soon realized that they wanted more,
if alot of people have felt this way, I might just save a little (alot) more
and think about going for 2 megs.
What I really want is all your religious answers to this question,
if you feel one product is better than another, tell me, and tell me why,
what products seem to have better "crash records"{I know perry is just
jumping to reply}, and which products seem to not work with other manufac-
turer's products{like fred fish's hard drive/extra memory problems}. Also
if you could say something about the expandability of the product, it would
help. If I can get the money together I want to go for two megs, and
probably from ASDG, any reasons why I should/shouldn't ?????
thanks for all the help....
mike(r)
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================================================================================perry@well.UUCP (Perry S. Kivolowitz) (07/29/87)
Clearly we think ASDG has the best memory deal for the price. For 599 you get two megabytes WITH a self powered card cage with TWO slots AND an 18 month warranty, and a full set of comprehensive diagnostics, and the Recoverable Ram Disk. This price is roughly what you would pay per megabyte for a non Zorro unpowered internal or external memory upgrade. And, we have never had an ASDG product NOT work on an Amiga (and have the same unit work on another box).
ed@plx.UUCP (Ed Chaban) (07/31/87)
In article <3644@well.UUCP>, perry@well.UUCP (Perry S. Kivolowitz) writes: > Clearly we think ASDG has the best memory deal for the price. For > 599 you get two megabytes WITH a self powered card cage with TWO > slots AND an 18 month warranty, and a full set of comprehensive > diagnostics, and the Recoverable Ram Disk. Hey, what ever happened to the "no advertising" policy on USENET Perry? Please confine this stuff to E-Mail, it makes me sick.... Seriously, Your product has been available for quite some time now. This posting is not an announcement, it's an endorsement and a very biased one at that.... -ed-
cheung@vu-vlsi.UUCP (Wilson Cheung) (08/05/87)
In article <705@plx.UUCP>, ed@plx.UUCP (Ed Chaban) writes: > Hey, what ever happened to the "no advertising" policy on > USENET Perry? Please confine this stuff to E-Mail, it makes > me sick.... > > Seriously, Your product has been available for quite some time > now. This posting is not an announcement, it's an endorsement > and a very biased one at that.... > -ed- Well if you need a less biased endorsement. I was one of those Amiga users with shallow pockets that was waiting for the price of expansion to go down but didn't want to buy into a closed end expansion product. With ASDG's 2 meg board and mini-rack that wait is over. For $599 I not only get 2 megs but an extra slot which I plan on using with there SCSI controller (has its own 68000 with 512K buffers). But not only that when ASDG comes out with its A2000 compatible box I can if I want still use the same mini-rack C boards. Sure such an upgrade will mean throwing out the mini-rack box, but then again the mini-rack C is free. I doubt any one can match ASDGs economical solution to short term and long term expansion.
pds@quintus.UUCP (Peter Schachte) (12/02/87)
I wrote this in response to a query about memory expansion for the Amiga. I tried mailing it, but it got bounced by the unix mailer, as usual. I bought an Insider (1M + clock) from Abel supply. Their price is still the best I've seen, and they were prompt. This seems to be about the cheapest 1M expansion I've seen. And the clock is great! Installing the Insider is NOT trivial. It took me several tries to get it in. The directions were clear enough, but you have to be pretty patient to install the three little clips on three obscure spots on the mother and daughter boards. Just be prepared to take your time. It probably took me 3-4 hours to get it right. Once I got it in it worked fine. I love it. As you probably know, some (old) software won't work properly with the fast memory there, e.g. Textcraft. They include a program that consumes all of the fast memory, so that these programs will work. Abel's address is: Abel Supply, Inc Rt #3, Box-705, Middlecreek Seveirville, TN 37862 (615) 428-5100 I have no connection with Abel Supply or the makers of the Insider, other than happy customer. -- -Peter
johndoe@sns.UUCP (Christian Motz) (11/27/88)
I recently upgraded from my good old Amy 2000 A to a B-Model. I still
have the Memory Expansion Board that was plugged into the Processor slot
of the 2000 A. Now here's the Question: is there any way to use the board
in the B-Model? It would be a shame to throw away 1 MByte of RAM, right?
Unfortunately playing around with the jumpers on the board ("COMMODORE
1986 A2000 1MB RAM EXP. ASSY NO. 380 745 REV.3") had (almost) no effect.
Most of the time the machine simply stays dead on startup; the "best"
result was that the Power-LED flashed.
Could someone tell me what the jumpers on that board mean and if there
is some simple hardware hack to get the board working in the 2000 B? I
would appreciate any help.
Chris.
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West Germany -- Sledge Hammeradam@cbmvax.UUCP (Adam Levin CATS) (12/01/88)
Concerning the use of an A2000 1 Meg RAM Expansion card in a B2000:
on some B2000s it works, on others it doesn't. No guarantees.
The (J1) jumper pins are on the component side of the board and are numbered:
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| 2 4 6 8 10
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| . . . . .
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| 1 3 5 7 9
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For 512K of RAM (top row empty) short pins 3-4, 5-6, & 7-8 with 3 jumpers.
For 1M of RAM (top row filled) short pins 3-4 & 9-10 with 2 jumpers.
I personally have not been able to get more that 512K to work, but
I think I have a bad RAM chip.
== Adamguest@hpfclr.HP.COM (Guest account) (01/10/89)
What is the cheapest way to upgrade the amiga 1000 to 1 Meg of memory. I am not too excited about spending ~500 dollars for .5 Meg of memory. Doug Quarnstrom
dbk@fbog.UUCP (Dave B. Kinzer @ Price Rd. GEG) (01/11/89)
In article <11300002@hpfclr.HP.COM> guest@hpfclr.HP.COM (Guest account) writes: > > What is the cheapest way to upgrade the amiga 1000 to 1 Meg of memory. >I am not too excited about spending ~500 dollars for .5 Meg of memory. > >Doug Quarnstrom An early issue of Amazing Computing had a hack which consisted of piggybacking some ram chips inside the A1000. Check out almost any issue for a summary of back issues to find out which issue had it, and track down someone who has it (user groups are good for this kind of thing). If you just want to bolt on something, you're going to have to spend some cash. | // GOATS - Gladly Offering All Their Support Dave Kinzer (602)897-3085| | // >> In Hell you need 4Mb to Multitask! << uunet!nud!fbog!dbk | | \X/ #define policy_maker(name) (name->salary > 3 * dave.salary) |
bill@cbmvax.UUCP (Bill Koester CATS) (01/12/89)
In article <11300002@hpfclr.HP.COM> guest@hpfclr.HP.COM (Guest account) writes: > > What is the cheapest way to upgrade the amiga 1000 to 1 Meg of memory. >I am not too excited about spending ~500 dollars for .5 Meg of memory. > >Doug Quarnstrom If youre into hardware hacking and you don't mind blowing your warranty you can do the Amizing Computing memory hack. You basically go in and solder extra chips onto the motherboard and end up with an extra 512K of addmemable memory. It is also nice because the memory is not activated unless you use addmem so you can still bring the machine up in a stock configuration. I did it to my 1000 a year ago and it works fine. Cost me about 75$ in chips. I forget which issue of Amazing it appeared in but if you are interested I can look it up. BK -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Koester (CATS) >>Commodore Amiga Technical Support<< Commodore International Ltd. UUCP {allegra|burdvax|rutgers|ihnp4}!cbmvax!bill PHONE (215) 431-9355 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The official word, is NO. I am therefore going anyway! Kirk - Star Trek III Pleese desrigard eny spealing airors!!!!!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) (01/12/89)
in article <5663@cbmvax.UUCP>, bill@cbmvax.UUCP (Bill Koester CATS) says: > In article <11300002@hpfclr.HP.COM> guest@hpfclr.HP.COM (Guest account) writes: >> What is the cheapest way to upgrade the amiga 1000 to 1 Meg of memory. >>I am not too excited about spending ~500 dollars for .5 Meg of memory. >>Doug Quarnstrom > If youre into hardware hacking and you don't mind blowing your warranty you > can do the Amizing Computing memory hack. I did this same hack to my A1000, way back when, using Chris Erving's original instructions, and it worked pretty well. But you really have to be careful (eg, know what you're doing, and then some). My system worked like a champ for about a year and a half, then the memory started failing. Upon cracking the A1000 open, I found that one lead on one DRAM wasn't soldered (I guess that's supposed to teach me not to hack hardware at 4 AM). On a related topic, the original modification put this RAM at $80000, thich made the Amiga think it was CHIP memory, a real problem. By the time the Mr. Erving re-did the article for Amazing, he'd come up with a hack to delay the visibility of this memory until after the OS set up CHIP RAM, allowing on to the AddMem the extra 512K. I didn't care for that approach, so I created a hack of my own to change the decoding for this memory such that it would appear at $C00000, just like on an A2000. This article MAY still be up on some BBS system somewhere, and it's supposed to be accompanied by an IFF picture of the final circuit. It requires modification of the daughterboard. For cheap A2000 or A500 memory upgrades (beyond 1 meg), I wouldn't recommend any such hack. The A2000 DRAM bus is already reasonably full, and with Fat Agnus instead of thin Agnus, you don't have access to as many control signals, so the task would be much more difficult, if it would work at all. A company called Digitronics makes a assemble-it yourself Zorro II DRAM board, which will hold 4 meg of chips, which is to date the cheapest memory board I've seen. This kit costs $100 and includes everything but DRAM, and they also have an adaptor that'll let this same board hook onto an A500. -- Dave Haynie "The 32 Bit Guy" Commodore-Amiga "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: D-DAVE H BIX: hazy Amiga -- It's not just a job, it's an obsession
fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) (01/14/89)
From article <5663@cbmvax.UUCP>, by bill@cbmvax.UUCP (Bill Koester CATS):
> If youre into hardware hacking and you don't mind blowing your warranty you
How many Amiga 1000s are still
under warranty, I wonder?
--Fabbian Dufoe
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St. Petersburg, Florida 33705
813-823-2350
UUCP: ...uunet!pdn!jc3b21!fgd3peter@stca77.stc.oz (Peter Jeremy) (01/19/89)
In article <5663@cbmvax.UUCP> bill@cbmvax.UUCP (Bill Koester CATS) writes: :In article <11300002@hpfclr.HP.COM> guest@hpfclr.HP.COM (Guest account) writes: :> What is the cheapest way to upgrade the amiga 1000 to 1 Meg of memory. : :If youre into hardware hacking and you don't mind blowing your warranty you :can do the Amizing Computing memory hack. You basically go in and solder extra :chips onto the motherboard and end up with an extra 512K of addmemable :memory. Anyone know if it is possible to install an A501 into an A1000 with this hack? A mate of mine has one and wants to attach it to his A1000. It would save a lot of effort producing the control circuitry... (The real-time clock would be handy as well). -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter@stca77.stc.oz Alcatel-STC Australia ...!uunet!stca77.stc.oz!peter 41 Mandible St peter%stca77.stc.oz@uunet.UU.NET ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015
a186@mindlink.UUCP (Harvey Taylor) (01/19/90)
In <1645@bnlux0.bnl.gov>, lotridge@charlie.amd.bnl.gov (Charlie Lotridge) writes: | | I've reason to believe that the price of memory is going to go up | shortly. [...] | Does this belief have anything to do with the newspaper article excerpted below? ------------ JAPAN'S MICROCHIP MAKERS CUT BACK (TOKYO) Japan's memory-chip makers are hitting the brakes on production in an effort to end the glut of chips on world markets and keep prices from sliding. Continuing a slowdown begun several months ago, Toshiba Corp., NEC Corp. and other companies have cut one-megabit dynamic random access memory microchips this month by 10 to 15 percent. [ further discussion of the dram market ] ------------ Verbum sapiente. "Never imply that you would be willing to sacrifice profit for market share. - IBM's lawyers' advice to its executives" -Big Blue:IBM's Use & Abuse of Power by Richard T. Delamarter Harvey Taylor Meta Media Productions uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!Harvey_Taylor a186@mindlink.UUCP
lotridge@charlie.amd.bnl.gov (Charlie Lotridge) (01/20/90)
Hello world, I've reason to believe that the price of memory is going to go up shortly. As a result, I've decided to look into expansion and am interested in info about such things as opinions about the different products available, prices, ease of installation, etc. I currently have a 2000 (I don't know what revision - how is this determined?) with the stock 1 Mb. I'm interested, if the price is right, in going all the way up to 9 Mb. In the last issue of _AmigaWorld_ I got before my subscription expired (January or February I think - I don't have it with me), I THOUGHT I saw the Microbiotics 8 UP product, fully populated, for ~$850 from Mass. based 'The Software Shop'. This was the best price I saw in that issue for a full 8 meg expansion. But looking in the current (special) issue (which I just went out and bought), there's no advertisement from 'The Software Shop' (which is unusual) so I don't know the current situation. I currently own the HardFrame 2000, I like it, and I'm pretty happy with Microbiotics in general (they had no problem paying for a Quantum 40 Mb I roasted as a result of their error) so unless somebody can give a good reason not to, I'll probably go in that direction (8 UP). So, again, I'm interested in any thoughts, opinions, comments, suggestions you might have. And I'm particularly interested in talking with somebody (via email) who has recently gone thru this. In advance, thank you - - Charlie
jhc00614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (01/21/90)
In addition to purchasing the 8-up board, I would seriously consider
the SIMM version (which they have discontinued but can still be found) over
the dip version. They discontinued it because of the high cost of simms
compared to dipps, people were not buying the 8up until the dip version came
out.
Simms, as you probably know, are a hell of a lot painless and safer (no
pins to worry about. Just snap it in and it works). The thing that has
changed is that Simms are dirt cheap now. You can buy 1x8 80ns SIMMS in
the $75-80 dollar range now for a 1 meg module.
Go for it... later, jasonbleys@tronsbox.UUCP (Bill Cavanaugh) (01/22/90)
Question... What reason do you have to believe that? Sounds like you've
heard something we'd be REAL interested in!
uunet!tronsbox!bleys uunet!tronsbox!dsoft!billc bcavanaugh on BIX
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Finagle's First Lawzebr360@ut-emx.UUCP (Jerry Heyman) (02/02/90)
I find it rather interesting that the Japanese chip makers would make their announcement about chip cutbacks AFTER the announcement that US Memories wouldn't be in business. Seems like after they've convinced their US users that they shouldn't support US Memories (Apple, Compaq, etc) because they have nothing to worry about - this announcement was made. Interesting way of doing business :) Maybe I ought to try to convince people that they needn't get involved with my competition because I'll always give them what they need, and after driving my competitor out of business (in this case, they never got started), I'll cut back my production to raise my prices. I may be a little cynical, but I call them the way I see them. jerry heyman
acota@pro-realm.cts.com (Arnold Cota) (07/24/90)
I am lookign for a memory expansion for the 1000. I am looking for something CHEAP! Arn Cota UUCP: crash!pro-realm!acota ARPA: crash!pro-realm!acota@nosc.mil INET: acota@pro-realm.cts.com
keith@actrix.co.nz (Keith Stewart) (08/31/90)
A person called Micheal J Fellinger published instructions on how to make a 1 MEG memory expansion. Apparently it has been in the hardware section of amiga section in Compuserve. A friend needs the latest version. Any idea where it is where I can get it for hin down here in New Zealand. Thanks