flocchini@deneb.ucdavis.edu (0048;0000005551;200;745;53;) (01/27/88)
I just finished reading the latest issue of ROBO CITY NEWS (Vol IV No 1). There were various references to NewTek's Video Toaster. Availability was listed for the 500, 1000 , and 2000. Can anybody confirm this? I thought it was to be available only for the 2000. Thanks in advance. Bob Flocchini LAWR University of California Davis flocchini @deneb.ucdavis.edu
menzies@altitude.CAM.ORG (Stephen Menzies) (06/30/90)
Does anyone know if Newtek's toaster physically fits the A3000? Anything else that won't fit (at this time anyway)? I think I read it here that the bridgeboard/targa combo doesn't. What about the Firecracker24? -- Stephen Menzies email: menzies@altitude.CAM.ORG
mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) (07/02/90)
In article <1990Jun30.061652.10949@altitude.CAM.ORG> menzies@altitude.CAM.ORG (Stephen Menzies) writes: >Does anyone know if Newtek's toaster physically fits the A3000? The current incarnation of the Toaster does not fit in a 3000. Last I heard, plans are in the works to release a board that will fit in the the 3000 but the initial product release will not. Of course this may change by the time the product is actually released (pending FCC). +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mark Thompson | | mark@westford.ccur.com | | ...!{decvax,uunet}!masscomp!mark Designing high performance graphics | | (508)392-2480 engines today for a better tomorrow. | +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +
pierre@pro-graphics.cts.com (Pierre Altamore) (09/12/90)
On 11 Sep 90 04:48:23 GMT S36666WB%ETSUACAD.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu (Brian Wright) writes: >>On 6 Sep 90 23:56:10 GMT you said: >>In-Reply-To: message from cdimick@suns.es.com@bambam.UUCP >>Seems that Newtek has gotte an FCC approval for Industrial use only at this >>time. That means not for sale to consumers yet. I recently talked to the >>-- Bob >Stuff deleted... >can remember the battles that were fought about releasing the DAT, it is now >here with quite less than a BANG. The music industry wouldn't stand for >consumers to have professional quality equipment in their homes. The music >industry's case was one of piracy, but there were, I suspect, underlying >motives as well for keeping it out of the consumer's hands. I also suspect >this to be the case for the Toaster as well. If the consumers do see a home >Toaster unit, it will probably be less than that of the Industrial model. It >will probably have limited effects with less than broadcast quality. Let's >hope this isn't the case, but don't be surprised if the consumer version turns >out to be less than expected. The gov't. is very good about restricting >technology to the consumers. >Brian Wright >s36666wb@etsuacad.etsu.edu >Commercial Artist and Amigaphile Come from behind the Iron Curtain much? Been to the USA lately? DAT had some major copyright problems associated with it, the Toaster doesn't. It's a great product at a great price and WILL sell. There are no 'versions' of the Toaster (as of yet). The only difference between the Toasters selling now to professionals and the Toasters that will sell to non-pros is that the latter will be quieter as far as RF emissions go. The simple reason behind this is that most consumers will use it in their home, and i'm sure their neighboors would be quite pissed if they had to watch ant races instead of Wheel of Fortune when Johnny-Amiga-next-door is Toasting [Put your own smiley face here]. UUCP: crash!pro-graphics!pierre | Critical Mass Software ARPA/DDN: pro-graphics!pierre@nosc.mil | P.O. Box 23 Internet: pierre@pro-graphics.cts.com | Short Hills, NJ 07078
Radagast@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) (09/14/90)
>>>-- Bob > >>Stuff deleted... >>can remember the battles that were fought about releasing the DAT, it is now >>here with quite less than a BANG. The music industry wouldn't stand for >>consumers to have professional quality equipment in their homes. The music >>industry's case was one of piracy, but there were, I suspect, underlying >>motives as well for keeping it out of the consumer's hands. I also suspect >>this to be the case for the Toaster as well. If the consumers do see a home >>Toaster unit, it will probably be less than that of the Industrial model. It >>will probably have limited effects with less than broadcast quality. Let's >>hope this isn't the case, but don't be surprised if the consumer version >turns >>out to be less than expected. The gov't. is very good about restricting >>technology to the consumers. > >Come from behind the Iron Curtain much? Been to the USA lately? DAT had >some major copyright problems associated with it, the Toaster doesn't. >It's a great product at a great price and WILL sell. There are no >'versions' of the Toaster (as of yet). The only difference between the >Toasters selling now to professionals and the Toasters that will sell to >non-pros is that the latter will be quieter as far as RF emissions go. The >simple reason behind this is that most consumers will use it in their home, >and i'm sure their neighboors would be quite pissed if they had to watch >ant races instead of Wheel of Fortune when Johnny-Amiga-next-door is >Toasting [Put your own smiley face here]. DAT had copyright problems? ...okay, I give. Whose copyright was violated with DAT? Too bad they didn't call it something that didn't have a copyright... DTA maybe? In case you hadn't noticed the issue of copyright is incapable of applying to DAT recorders. DAT recorders are not original works of art. So where have you been living recently. Didn't you realize this *is* the behind of the iron curtain? These days you can't fart without someone claiming it was his idea first... -kls -Sullivan_-_Segall (a.k.a. Radagast) _______________________________________________________________ /V\ "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in ' cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce." -- J. Edgar Hoover _______________________________________________________________ Mail to: ...sun!portal!cup.portal.com!radagast or radagast@cup.portal.com
mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (My Watch Has Windows) Meyer) (09/14/90)
In article <33869@cup.portal.com> Radagast@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: > >Come from behind the Iron Curtain much? Been to the USA lately? DAT had >some major copyright problems associated with it, the Toaster doesn't. ...okay, I give. Whose copyright was violated with DAT? Too bad they didn't call it something that didn't have a copyright... DTA maybe? In case you hadn't noticed the issue of copyright is incapable of applying to DAT recorders. DAT recorders are not original works of art. So where have you been living recently. Didn't you realize this *is* the behind of the iron curtain? These days you can't fart without someone claiming it was his idea first... -kls You didn't read his message carefully enough. He didn't say that DATs were a violation of someone's intellectual property; he said they had copyright problems. That's quite accurate. The music industry was scared shitless by the idea of consumers being able to make 10th generation copies that were indistinguishable from the real thing. They managed to have import and sale of DATs restricted for years while looking for a technical solution. They even considered putting a 3KHz tone on _every_ commercial digital recording (including CDs, damn them!) that would cause the DAT to fail to record the incoming signal. CD's were dropped from the plan by making the DAT sampling frequency different from the CDs, so you'd have to have an intermediate box to make the copies, thus making it unlikely that a consumer would have the ability to copy CDs. I quit following it closely at that point, but believe the "solution" for DATs allows for one generation copies, but not two. This is just one example of intellectual property laws working for the good of the public. <mike -- Come all you rolling minstrels, Mike Meyer And together we will try, mwm@relay.pa.dec.com To rouse the spirit of the air, decwrl!mwm And move the rolling sky.
bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) (09/15/90)
>---------- > Resp: 1 of 1 by [sullivan - segall] > Date: Fri Sep 14 1990 00:31 > Lines:48 > > >DAT had copyright problems? > >...okay, I give. Whose copyright was violated with DAT? Too bad they >didn't call it something that didn't have a copyright... DTA maybe? > >In case you hadn't noticed the issue of copyright is incapable of applying >to DAT recorders. DAT recorders are not original works of art. So where >have you been living recently. Didn't you realize this *is* the behind >of the iron curtain? These days you can't fart without someone claiming >it was his idea first... -kls > > -Sullivan_-_Segall (a.k.a. Radagast) >_______________________________________________________________ > >/V\ "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in > ' cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way >obstructed interstate commerce." -- J. Edgar Hoover >_______________________________________________________________ > >Mail to: ...sun!portal!cup.portal.com!radagast or > radagast@cup.portal.com > Hmm... Okay, I'll assume that that was serious. The copyright question arose in discussions of what use a DAT would be put to, not the name DAT or the technology. Record companys felt that DATs would be used to copy CDs, thus getting all the advantages of CD technology without actually buying the product. They had similar feelings about cassettes years ago, and only admitted around 1988 that sale of blank cassettes hadn't impacted their income at all, since the only people doing home recording were people who wouldn't have bought the record anyway... Of course, none of this applies to the Toaster...<chuckle> /******************************************************************** * All of the above copyright by the below. * * Bill Cavanaugh uunet!tronsbox!bleys * * "You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever." * * Larry Anderson * ********************************************************************/
UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) (09/15/90)
In article <MWM.90Sep14111304@raven.pa.dec.com>, mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (My Watch Has Windows) Meyer) says: >the incoming signal. CD's were dropped from the plan by making the DAT >sampling frequency different from the CDs, so you'd have to have an >intermediate box to make the copies, thus making it unlikely that a >consumer would have the ability to copy CDs. I quit following it So, shouldn't it be possible to read a CD in, interpolate, resample, and write out to DAT? Sounds like the perfect application for Baby. 8-) lee