[comp.sys.amiga] Toaster

flocchini@deneb.ucdavis.edu (0048;0000005551;200;745;53;) (01/27/88)

 
I just finished reading the latest issue of ROBO CITY NEWS (Vol IV No 1).
There were various references to NewTek's Video Toaster. Availability
was listed for the 500, 1000 , and 2000. Can anybody confirm this?
I thought it was to be available only for the 2000. Thanks in
advance.

Bob Flocchini
LAWR
University of California Davis
flocchini @deneb.ucdavis.edu

menzies@altitude.CAM.ORG (Stephen Menzies) (06/30/90)

Does anyone know if Newtek's toaster physically fits the A3000?
Anything else that won't fit (at this time anyway)? I think I
read it here that the bridgeboard/targa combo doesn't. What
about the Firecracker24?
-- 
Stephen Menzies
email: menzies@altitude.CAM.ORG

mark@calvin..westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) (07/02/90)

In article <1990Jun30.061652.10949@altitude.CAM.ORG> menzies@altitude.CAM.ORG (Stephen Menzies) writes:
>Does anyone know if Newtek's toaster physically fits the A3000?

The current incarnation of the Toaster does not fit in a 3000. Last
I heard, plans are in the works to release a board that will fit in
the the 3000 but the initial product release will not. Of course this
may change by the time the product is actually released (pending FCC).
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pierre@pro-graphics.cts.com (Pierre Altamore) (09/12/90)

On 11 Sep 90 04:48:23 GMT
S36666WB%ETSUACAD.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu (Brian Wright) writes:
 
>>On 6 Sep 90 23:56:10 GMT you said:
>>In-Reply-To: message from cdimick@suns.es.com@bambam.UUCP
>>Seems that Newtek has gotte an FCC approval for Industrial use only at this
>>time.  That means not for sale to consumers yet.  I recently talked to the
>>-- Bob
 
>Stuff deleted...
>can remember the battles that were fought about releasing the DAT, it is now
>here with quite less than a BANG.  The music industry wouldn't stand for
>consumers to have professional quality equipment in their homes.  The music
>industry's case was one of piracy, but there were, I suspect, underlying
>motives as well for keeping it out of the consumer's hands.  I also suspect
>this to be the case for the Toaster as well.  If the consumers do see a home
>Toaster unit, it will probably be less than that of the Industrial model.  It
>will probably have limited effects with less than broadcast quality.  Let's
>hope this isn't the case, but don't be surprised if the consumer version
turns
>out to be less than expected.  The gov't. is very good about restricting
>technology to the consumers.
>Brian Wright
>s36666wb@etsuacad.etsu.edu
>Commercial Artist and Amigaphile
 
Come from behind the Iron Curtain much?  Been to the USA lately?  DAT had
some major copyright problems associated with it, the Toaster doesn't.
It's a great product at a great price and WILL sell.  There are no
'versions' of the Toaster (as of yet).  The only difference between the
Toasters selling now to professionals and the Toasters that will sell to
non-pros is that the latter will be quieter as far as RF emissions go.  The
simple reason behind this is that most consumers will use it in their home,
and i'm sure their neighboors would be quite pissed if they had to watch
ant races instead of Wheel of Fortune when Johnny-Amiga-next-door is
Toasting [Put your own smiley face here].
 
 


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Radagast@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) (09/14/90)

>>>-- Bob
> 
>>Stuff deleted...
>>can remember the battles that were fought about releasing the DAT, it is now
>>here with quite less than a BANG.  The music industry wouldn't stand for
>>consumers to have professional quality equipment in their homes.  The music
>>industry's case was one of piracy, but there were, I suspect, underlying
>>motives as well for keeping it out of the consumer's hands.  I also suspect
>>this to be the case for the Toaster as well.  If the consumers do see a home
>>Toaster unit, it will probably be less than that of the Industrial model.  It
>>will probably have limited effects with less than broadcast quality.  Let's
>>hope this isn't the case, but don't be surprised if the consumer version
>turns
>>out to be less than expected.  The gov't. is very good about restricting
>>technology to the consumers.
> 
>Come from behind the Iron Curtain much?  Been to the USA lately?  DAT had
>some major copyright problems associated with it, the Toaster doesn't.
>It's a great product at a great price and WILL sell.  There are no
>'versions' of the Toaster (as of yet).  The only difference between the
>Toasters selling now to professionals and the Toasters that will sell to
>non-pros is that the latter will be quieter as far as RF emissions go.  The
>simple reason behind this is that most consumers will use it in their home,
>and i'm sure their neighboors would be quite pissed if they had to watch
>ant races instead of Wheel of Fortune when Johnny-Amiga-next-door is
>Toasting [Put your own smiley face here].
DAT had copyright problems? 

...okay, I give.  Whose copyright was violated with DAT?  Too bad they
didn't call it something that didn't have a copyright... DTA maybe?  

In case you hadn't noticed the issue of copyright is incapable of applying
to DAT recorders.  DAT recorders are not original works of art.  So where
have you been living recently.  Didn't you realize this *is* the behind
of the iron curtain?  These days you can't fart without someone claiming 
it was his idea first... -kls
 
                           -Sullivan_-_Segall (a.k.a. Radagast)
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mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (My Watch Has Windows) Meyer) (09/14/90)

In article <33869@cup.portal.com> Radagast@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes:
>  >Come from behind the Iron Curtain much?  Been to the USA lately?  DAT had
   >some major copyright problems associated with it, the Toaster doesn't.

   ...okay, I give.  Whose copyright was violated with DAT?  Too bad they
   didn't call it something that didn't have a copyright... DTA maybe?  

   In case you hadn't noticed the issue of copyright is incapable of applying
   to DAT recorders.  DAT recorders are not original works of art.  So where
   have you been living recently.  Didn't you realize this *is* the behind
   of the iron curtain?  These days you can't fart without someone claiming 
   it was his idea first... -kls


You didn't read his message carefully enough. He didn't say that DATs
were a violation of someone's intellectual property; he said they had
copyright problems. That's quite accurate.

The music industry was scared shitless by the idea of consumers being
able to make 10th generation copies that were indistinguishable
from the real thing. They managed to have import and sale of DATs
restricted for years while looking for a technical solution. They even
considered putting a 3KHz tone on _every_ commercial digital recording
(including CDs, damn them!) that would cause the DAT to fail to record
the incoming signal. CD's were dropped from the plan by making the DAT
sampling frequency different from the CDs, so you'd have to have an
intermediate box to make the copies, thus making it unlikely that a
consumer would have the ability to copy CDs. I quit following it
closely at that point, but believe the "solution" for DATs allows for
one generation copies, but not two.

This is just one example of intellectual property laws working for the
good of the public.

	<mike






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bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) (09/15/90)

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>

>DAT had copyright problems? 
>
>...okay, I give.  Whose copyright was violated with DAT?  Too bad they
>didn't call it something that didn't have a copyright... DTA maybe?  
>
>In case you hadn't noticed the issue of copyright is incapable of applying
>to DAT recorders.  DAT recorders are not original works of art.  So where
>have you been living recently.  Didn't you realize this *is* the behind
>of the iron curtain?  These days you can't fart without someone claiming 
>it was his idea first... -kls
> 
>                           -Sullivan_-_Segall (a.k.a. Radagast)
>_______________________________________________________________
> 
>/V\ "I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in
> '   cases of oral-genital intimacy,  unless it has in some way
>obstructed interstate commerce." -- J. Edgar Hoover
>_______________________________________________________________
> 
>Mail to: ...sun!portal!cup.portal.com!radagast or
>         radagast@cup.portal.com
> 
Hmm... Okay, I'll assume that that was serious.  The copyright question
arose in discussions of what use a DAT would be put to, not the name DAT or
the technology.  Record companys felt that DATs would be used to copy CDs,
thus getting all the advantages of CD technology without actually buying the
product.  They had similar feelings about cassettes years ago, and only
admitted around 1988 that sale of blank cassettes hadn't impacted their
income at all, since the only people doing home recording were people who
wouldn't have bought the record anyway...

Of course, none of this applies to the Toaster...<chuckle>

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UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) (09/15/90)

In article <MWM.90Sep14111304@raven.pa.dec.com>, mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (My
Watch Has Windows) Meyer) says:

>the incoming signal. CD's were dropped from the plan by making the DAT
>sampling frequency different from the CDs, so you'd have to have an
>intermediate box to make the copies, thus making it unlikely that a
>consumer would have the ability to copy CDs. I quit following it

So, shouldn't it be possible to read a CD in, interpolate, resample,
and write out to DAT?  Sounds like the perfect application for Baby. 8-)

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