[comp.sys.amiga] info on cost of Amiga 3000 and educational discount

bfreeman@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Elisabeth Freeman) (09/26/90)

I am very interested in buying an Amiga 3000.  I'd like to know how much
one costs, if there's any kind of trade in policy with 1000's and how to
get in touch with the right people for getting an educational discount.
Would I contact Amiga themselves?  If so, how?  Thanks!!!!!!

Beth Freeman

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garnett@cs.utexas.edu (John William Garnett) (09/26/90)

In article <60277@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> bfreeman@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Elisabeth Freeman) writes:
>I am very interested in buying an Amiga 3000.  I'd like to know how much
>one costs, if there's any kind of trade in policy with 1000's and how to
>get in touch with the right people for getting an educational discount.
>Would I contact Amiga themselves?  If so, how?  Thanks!!!!!!

call 1-800-627-9595 to find the location of the nearest (to you) Campus
Authorized Amiga Dealer.

From the "Make Up Your Own Mind. Amiga" brochure:

Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
           25     50                      4798,             3039
           16     50                      4098,             2599

Prices guaranteed until 08/15/90 :-).
-- 
John Garnett
                              University of Texas at Austin
garnett@cs.utexas.edu         Department of Computer Science
                              Austin, Texas

es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (09/26/90)

In article <41@atacama.cs.utexas.edu> garnett@cs.utexas.edu (John William Garnett) writes:
>
>From the "Make Up Your Own Mind. Amiga" brochure:
>
>Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>           25     50                      4798,             3039
>           16     50                      4098,             2599
>

	For someone who doesn't know what the phrase "system"
means, that includes for the 3000s the A1950 multiscan monitor
and the 100MB system comes with 5MB of ram. The 50MB versions
come with the standard 2MB of ram.

>Prices guaranteed until 08/15/90 :-).
>-- 
>John Garnett
>                              University of Texas at Austin
>garnett@cs.utexas.edu         Department of Computer Science
>                              Austin, Texas


	-- Ethan

Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

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lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (09/26/90)

In <Sep.26.15.49.47.1990.4049@u2.rutgers.edu>, andrewsr@u2.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) writes:
>> Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>>            25     50                      4798,             3039
>                                                               ^^^
>
>Why is the 100MB version over $800 more?  

Other than the obvious 'Because people will buy it for the advantages', take a
closer look at what you are getting...

1.565 times the speed
2     times the HD storage

Dividing the $800 up into a similar proportion, you end up paying about $350
for the speedup, and $450 for the 50 megs extra storage.

While $450 may seem high to you for the extra 50 megs, figure that it's
installed, formatted, and contains the basic system stuff already, and figure
that $350 is a Genuine Bargoon for the speedup.

-larry

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andrewsr@u2.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) (09/27/90)

> Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>            25     50                      4798,             3039
                                                               ^^^

Why is the 100MB version over $800 more?  
-- 
  // Rich    | "Like any good philosophical discussion, the   |    //
\X/  Andrews |  conclusion is left unresolved." -McLaughlin   |  \X/

olson@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Todd Olson) (09/27/90)

In article <Sep.26.15.49.47.1990.4049@u2.rutgers.edu> andrewsr@u2.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) writes:
>> Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>>            25     50                      4798,             3039
>                                                               ^^^
>
>Why is the 100MB version over $800 more?  
	My understanding is that it also contains an additional 3 megs of
	ram.  I still don not see how this makes a $800 dollar price
	difference though, ram can be had for $70 a meg.  

	Flame me if I am wrong...

					Todd

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lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (09/27/90)

In <223@mohawk.cs.utexas.edu>, bryan@cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer @ Wit's End) writes:
>In article <2044@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes:
>=-In <Sep.26.15.49.47.1990.4049@u2.rutgers.edu>, andrewsr@u2.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) writes:
>=->> Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>=->>            25     50                      4798,             3039
>=->                                                               ^^^
>=->
>=->Why is the 100MB version over $800 more?  
>=-
>=-Other than the obvious 'Because people will buy it for the advantages', take a
>=-closer look at what you are getting...
>=-
>=-1.565 times the speed
>=-2     times the HD storage
>=-
>	Er, read that again Larry.  In both cases it's the 3000/25, so there is
>no speedup.  What you get for $800 is the larger drive, and as I understand it,
> .....

oops.. yup.


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scott@stsci.EDU (Jim Scott) (09/27/90)

> >> Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
> >>            25     50                      4798,             3039
> >Why is the 100MB version over $800 more?  
> 	My understanding is that it also contains an additional 3 megs of
> 	ram.  I still don not see how this makes a $800 dollar price
> 	difference though, ram can be had for $70 a meg.  
> 	Flame me if I am wrong...
> 					Todd
   YOU'RE WRONG. 

 I just installed 4MEG of FAST RAM this morning on my A3000.
 
At $57/chip for the 1Mx4 static column ZIPS (bank of
8 to get 4MEG RAM) that's $110/MEG.  The 256x4 are even more per MEG
(8 x $15 for a MEG, or $120).

So, that plus an extra 50MEG of harddrive should about do it ...

	Jim 

diamond@cbmvax.commodore.com (Howard Diamond - Ed Marketing) (09/27/90)

In article <Sep.26.15.49.47.1990.4049@u2.rutgers.edu> andrewsr@u2.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) writes:
>> Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>>            25     50                      4798,             3039
>                                                               ^^^
>
>Why is the 100MB version over $800 more?  
 
The A3000/25/100 bundle comes with 5 Meg of RAM instead of 2, so the price 
difference covers the cost of both the larger drive, and the 3 meg additional
RAM.

>-- 
>  // Rich    | "Like any good philosophical discussion, the   |    //
>\X/  Andrews |  conclusion is left unresolved." -McLaughlin   |  \X/


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1200 Wilson Drive West Chester, Pa, 19380
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bryan@cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer @ Wit's End) (09/27/90)

In article <2044@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes:
=-In <Sep.26.15.49.47.1990.4049@u2.rutgers.edu>, andrewsr@u2.rutgers.edu (Rich Andrews) writes:
=->> Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
=->>            25     50                      4798,             3039
=->                                                               ^^^
=->
=->Why is the 100MB version over $800 more?  
=-
=-Other than the obvious 'Because people will buy it for the advantages', take a
=-closer look at what you are getting...
=-
=-1.565 times the speed
=-2     times the HD storage
=-
	Er, read that again Larry.  In both cases it's the 3000/25, so there is
no speedup.  What you get for $800 is the larger drive, and as I understand it,
an additional 2M RAM (static column?)  If the RAM is 256Kx4, that's about $75
per meg (a previous poster's wild claim of $15 per 256K chip
notwithstanding), so the drive size difference is costing a hefty $650.  Even
if the chips are 1Mx4, the larger drive is still going to cost over $500,
which is way out of line.  I can't see that it's worth it.  For $650 you can
almost get a whole 100M Quantum drive.

	While over all the educational prices are excellent, it strikes me that
the 3000/25-100 is Commodore's high margin item for the high gullibility sector
of the educational market.

	At the other end of the spectrum, the price difference between the
3000/25 and the 3000/16 is so tiny that I can't understand why anyone would buy
the pokey one either.

clj@rtmvax.UUCP (Chuck Joslin) (09/28/90)

The 100MB 3000 system has 5MB RAM standard instead of 2MB. That,
combined with the larger drive, accounts for the price difference.
 
 -Chuck


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joseph@valnet.UUCP (Joseph P. Hillenburg) (09/29/90)

clj@rtmvax.UUCP (Chuck Joslin) writes:

> The 100MB 3000 system has 5MB RAM standard instead of 2MB. That,
> combined with the larger drive, accounts for the price difference.
>  
>  -Chuck
> 
> 
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This is news to me. Last I heard all A3000s had 2 megs. Can the 
computergod daveh@cbmvax confirm this?

-Joseph Hillenburg

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seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) (09/30/90)

In-Reply-To: message from scott@stsci.EDU

 
The $120 per MB of 256k x 4 ZIPs...was that static column mode, or page mode
memory?
 
Also, where did you get your RAM?
 
Sean
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xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (10/01/90)

garnett@cs.utexas.edu (John William Garnett) writes:
>
>From the "Make Up Your Own Mind. Amiga" brochure:
>
>Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>           25     50                      4798,             3039
>           16     50                      4098,             2599

Maybe poverty just gives me a keener grasp of reality, but look
at the list prices for the 25/50 and 25/100 systems; now take a delta.

I'd expect to get at least 250, and preferably 300, more megabytes
of disk for $1000 list, since I can just buy the 25/50 system and
go out and buy $1000 worth of second drive and have a much better
system in terms of head contention, etc. That 50 megabytes is
really cheap to add, a couple more heads and platters, you already
have most of the stuff in the disk box, so it should be much less
than 1/6 the price of going out and buying a 300 megabyte drive,
not equal to it.

I don't (much) mind a bit of profit built in for all concerned, but
pricing policies that are obvious rip-offs just send customers away
angry, and I have an extremely short fuse.  Smarten up, Commodore.

Kent, the man from xanth.
<xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>

hgschmie@faui41.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) (10/02/90)

In <1990Oct1.081257.9102@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:

>garnett@cs.utexas.edu (John William Garnett) writes:
>>
>>From the "Make Up Your Own Mind. Amiga" brochure:
>>
>>Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>>           25     50                      4798,             3039
>>           16     50                      4098,             2599

>Maybe poverty just gives me a keener grasp of reality, but look
>at the list prices for the 25/50 and 25/100 systems; now take a delta.

>I'd expect to get at least 250, and preferably 300, more megabytes
>of disk for $1000 list, since I can just buy the 25/50 system and
>go out and buy $1000 worth of second drive and have a much better
>system in terms of head contention, etc. That 50 megabytes is
>really cheap to add, a couple more heads and platters, you already
>have most of the stuff in the disk box, so it should be much less
>than 1/6 the price of going out and buying a 300 megabyte drive,
>not equal to it.

>I don't (much) mind a bit of profit built in for all concerned, but
>pricing policies that are obvious rip-offs just send customers away
>angry, and I have an extremely short fuse.  Smarten up, Commodore.

>Kent, the man from xanth.
><xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>

I think it was rumoured that the A3000/25/100 has 5 Meg of Memory,
and the A3000/25/40 just 2 Meg. I'm not sure about this, but it
would explain the price-difference. By the way: Does anyone of
you know, if these educational prices are also out of the U.S.
(e.g. in Germany :-) :-) )?

				Henning


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es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (10/02/90)

garnett@cs.utexas.edu (John William Garnett) writes:
>
>From the "Make Up Your Own Mind. Amiga" brochure:
>
>Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>           25     50                      4798,             3039
>           16     50                      4098,             2599

	Here is the real story. Howard Diamond loves replying to
the net so I thought I'd give him a chance to post, but the
rumors are getting out of hand.
	NON-EDUCATIONAL A3000s: All comes with 2MB ram and the
MHz/HD as specified above.
	EDUCATIONAL A3000 BUNDLES: The BUNDLES come with the
MHz/HD configurations as above. They all come with 2MB ram except
for the 25/100 which has 5MB ram.

	When you walk into a store the standard A3000 25/100
comes with 2MB ram, it is only the educational discount bundle
that has more memory. For $3,899 you get 5MB RAM, 100MB HD, 25MHz
68030/882 and the A1950 multisync monitor.
	-- Ethan

Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

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xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (10/03/90)

xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>garnett@cs.utexas.edu (John William Garnett) writes:
>>
>>From the "Make Up Your Own Mind. Amiga" brochure:
>>
>>Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>>           25     50                      4798,             3039
>>           16     50                      4098,             2599
>
>Maybe poverty just gives me a keener grasp of reality, but look
>at the list prices for the 25/50 and 25/100 systems; now take a delta.
>
>I'd expect to get at least 250, and preferably 300, more megabytes
>of disk for $1000 list, since I can just buy the 25/50 system and
>go out and buy $1000 worth of second drive and have a much better
>system in terms of head contention, etc. That 50 megabytes is
>really cheap to add, a couple more heads and platters, you already
>have most of the stuff in the disk box, so it should be much less
>than 1/6 the price of going out and buying a 300 megabyte drive,
>not equal to it.
>
>I don't (much) mind a bit of profit built in for all concerned, but
>pricing policies that are obvious rip-offs just send customers away
>angry, and I have an extremely short fuse.  Smarten up, Commodore.
>
>Kent, the man from xanth.
><xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>

Several folks have written to tell me that the A3000 25/100 differs
from the 25/50 unit in having one fewer meg of 256Kx4 RAM and four
megs of 1Mx4 RAM.  That makes me feel only a little better.

First, I'm looking at the list, not the ed. discount prices, where
the price delta is $1000.

The increased cost of 50 MB _more_ storage on a disk drive is nowhere
close to the cost of a _second_ 50 MB drive; you already have case,
motor, electronics, actuator arm, etc., paid for, you pay for slightly
different electronics, more platters, and more heads on the arm, and,
barely possibly, a deeper case, and that's about it.  Local retail news
ads put the cost of buying the next larger disk drive in a series of
same performance drives around $30 per 10 MB.  The cost of the added
memory seems to be around $112 per megabyte, minus about $60 for the
deleted 256Kx4 megabyte, so 5*$30+4*$112-$60=$530 seems to be about
the most _retail_ price difference that could be justified.  The other
$470 looks like pure greed.

Kent, the man from xanth.
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diamond@cbmvax.commodore.com (Howard Diamond - Ed Marketing) (10/03/90)

In article <1990Oct2.001348.29170@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>garnett@cs.utexas.edu (John William Garnett) writes:
>>
>>From the "Make Up Your Own Mind. Amiga" brochure:
>>
>>Amiga 3000/25Mhz-100MB HD System:  list: $5798, Education: $3899
>>           25     50                      4798,             3039
>>           16     50                      4098,             2599
>
>	Here is the real story. Howard Diamond loves replying to
>the net so I thought I'd give him a chance to post, but the
>rumors are getting out of hand.

Sorry, Ethan, I've been out of town....

>	NON-EDUCATIONAL A3000s: All comes with 2MB ram and the
>MHz/HD as specified above.

Not anymore...Ethan was correct, but now, ALL 3000/25/100 cpu's come with
five meg, ed or not, bundled or not.

>	EDUCATIONAL A3000 BUNDLES: The BUNDLES come with the
>MHz/HD configurations as above. They all come with 2MB ram except
>for the 25/100 which has 5MB ram.

See above, and, of course, the price for the cpu has been raised to cover
the addition ram, but only a tiny bit..
>


>	When you walk into a store the standard A3000 25/100
>comes with 2MB ram, it is only the educational discount bundle
>that has more memory. For $3,899 you get 5MB RAM, 100MB HD, 25MHz
>68030/882 and the A1950 multisync monitor.
>	-- Ethan
>
>Ethan Solomita: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>
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>
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1200 Wilson Drive West Chester, Pa, 19380
diamond@cbmvax.commodore.com  215-431-9142
MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND!! AMIGA!

clj@rtmvax.UUCP (Chuck Joslin) (10/04/90)

Wrong....all A3000/25-100s are now shipping with 5MB ram, not just
educational ones. While it's true that the 5MB configuration appeared
first on the August 31st educational price list, dealers have since been
notified that the 5MB is now standard on all 100MB HD 3000s.

You stand corrected (-:

-Chuck



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