njg2@po.CWRU.Edu (J. Norell Guttman) (10/10/90)
I need some serious info and hard core facts - yeah I know the Motorolla 68040 and TI graphic chips but I want all the specs - I am being attacked by SparcStation fiends who taunt us Amiga users. RSVP - ASAP Internet:njg2@po.cwru.edu Case Western Reserve University J.Norell Guttman
a708@mindlink.UUCP (Gord Wait) (10/10/90)
You can purchase a sparc station now (no disk) for about $5 K US dollars.. Add to it a SCSI drive for say $2 K and you have a workable sparc for $7 K US. This comes with 1152 by 900 70 hz display, full unix etc. I use an Amiga 1000 at home and a sparcstation 1 at work. They do not compare. The amiga is low cost, but can do good (LO-RES) animations etc. Amiga SW is low cost. On the Sparc, I can do ASIC chip simulations that require 70 meg virtual memory and reasonable speed (ie 12 mips to .1 mip) so I can finish my project this decade. When you put a 68040 in a 2500/3000 amiga and add 8 meg ram, hi res screen, and add enough stuff to Support Unix, THEN you can compare... but then your price on the amiga side is getting awfully close to a sparc..... (I like both machines, I just wanted to throw my two bits into the fire...) Gord Wait
podop03@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Kriston J. Rehberg) (10/11/90)
Of course they are going to taunt Amiga users [sparc people]. Their Sparc costs much, much more (up in the tens of thousands.. like $20,000 ring a bell?) Our school has a few SPARCs but I can do everything on an Amiga I can on a Sparc, and my Amiga is faster (at least to me). OF course, I can't do readnews and telnet and rlogin. But the basics - C programming and some CAD... my A2500 is like a sparc with a smaller monitor. Be serious, Sparc users. Take it from someone who uses both on a day-to-day basis. .=============================================================================. | Kriston J. Rehberg | "Only Amiga makes it possible" | | podop03@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu .======================================.=' | podop03@bingvaxa.bitnet / The POD will be a better place \ `==================================| Once the XBALANCE system has been erased | `=========================================='
ckp@grebyn.com (Checkpoint Technologies) (10/11/90)
In article <1990Oct10.010752.12654@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> njg2@po.CWRU.Edu (J. Norell Guttman) writes: >I need some serious info and hard core facts - yeah I know the >Motorolla 68040 and TI graphic chips but I want all the specs - >I am being attacked by SparcStation fiends who taunt us Amiga users. Goad them back about prices. Don't let them tell you Sparcstations are cheap; they're only cheap compared to *real* workstations ;-) , when configured as a color standalone system they still aren't below $10K. Ask them about dealerships (Amiga dealers may be scarce, but Sun dealers are non-existent). Ask them about software, availability and prices - especially prices. Sparc software still seems to be priced for the Sun 4's. Don't expect an Amiga to *ever* look as fast and powerful as a Sparc. But you don't have to pay that kind of price, either. -- First comes the logo: C H E C K P O I N T T E C H N O L O G I E S / / \\ / / Then, the disclaimer: All expressed opinions are, indeed, opinions. \ / o Now for the witty part: I'm pink, therefore, I'm spam! \/
griffith@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Michael Griffith) (10/13/90)
a708@mindlink.UUCP (Gord Wait) writes: >You can purchase a sparc station now (no disk) for about $5 K US >dollars.. Add to it a SCSI drive for say $2 K and you have a workable sparc for >$7 K US. This comes with 1152 by 900 70 hz display, full unix etc. I use an Keep in mind that the diskless Sparc Station has a very slow SCSI port, because it was never designed for disk action. It was designed as a diskless workstation in a networking environment. I think the response on a 3000 with the 100 meg Quantum would be much better. The display is comparable to the 2024 (or does it support color? probably not at that price). I agree that Commodore's Unix will have to be as competively priced as possible if we are to see Amigas becoming a standard (or at least semi-popular) workstation environment. | Michael Griffith | If I had an opinion it certainly | | griffith@eecs.ee.pdx.edu | wouldn't be the same one as | | ...!tektronix!psueea!eecs!griffith | Portland State University anyways. |
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (10/15/90)
Why get a SS1 for $8000+ (with disk) when you can get a NeXTstation for $5000 ($3500 student discount)? Plus, the NeXT O/S is a whole lot better integrated than anything I've seen from Sun. (Sun *had* something better: NeWS. They chickened out, so we have X. Of which it has been said "sometimes when you fill a vaccuum, it still sucks) -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
manes@vger.nsu.edu (10/15/90)
In article <3487@mindlink.UUCP>, a708@mindlink.UUCP (Gord Wait) writes: > You can purchase a sparc station now (no disk) for about $5 K US > dollars.. Add to it a SCSI drive for say $2 K and you have a workable sparc for > $7 K US. This comes with 1152 by 900 70 hz display, full unix etc. I use an > Amiga 1000 at home and a sparcstation 1 at work. They do not compare. The amiga > is low cost, but can do good (LO-RES) animations etc. Amiga SW is low cost. On > the Sparc, I can do ASIC chip simulations that require 70 meg virtual memory > and reasonable speed (ie 12 mips to .1 mip) so I can finish my project this > decade. When you put a 68040 in a 2500/3000 amiga and add 8 meg ram, hi res > screen, and add enough stuff to Support Unix, THEN you can compare... but then > your price on the amiga side is getting awfully close to a sparc..... > (I like both machines, I just wanted to throw my two bits into the fire...) > Yeah but is AmigaVision out for it? M1 Tank Platoon? Jet? f18? Grin. Nevermind. I know that you will not realize that price is not the whole banana. > Gord Wait -mark= +--------+ ================================================== | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" +--------+ ==================================================