rcs91900@zach.fit.edu ( Charles Stockman /ADVISOR-Clutterham) (09/28/90)
>Since he felt like saying it many (4 so far) times, I figured I might >as well answer. I will always continue posting until I get a response, then I will read the article and to the best of my ability either admit I was wrong and/or try to show why was right. So postings that are telling me to stop will never work. > If ( I support the Amiga Community ) > then > the Amiga software I want will never be built The reason why I complain is that I want developers to write software that I want so that I will have an urge to buy !!! You see all I am telling de- velopers is that I want to buy software, but they need to make the software is want !!!! I WANT TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPER COMMUNTIY creditials : Aztec 3.4a Source Level Debugger Aztec 5.0 Microfishe Filer Delux Paint 2.0 Director UltraCard 3 disk magazines Ultima IV Workbench 1.3 Disk Mechanic Machine language Disk for the Abacus book Magellian >If you need specific software, and it apparently isn't being written, >then write it yourself. If you don't have the skill, then convince >someone else to write it for you. Waving money at them works wonder >(try it on me some time). I am in the process of writing software for the amiga. At the end of my use of the 2000 I was working on this punnet square program. However, when I got my Amiga 3000 I could not access the intuition part of the amiga and I also need 2.0 include because I want to make a very nice interface (closely related to the prefences of 2.0) and want to flesh out that part. I am sending away for Matt Dillon C (dice) on saturday. Also I will be porting Mac Software to the amiga >get it produced yourself, then you bought your machine the wrong way. >Instead of buying the machine with the best capabilities and hoping >someone produces the software you want, you should choose the software >you want to run, and then buy the machine it runs best on. I brought the machine and kept it for the following reasons : 1.. Primarily I am starting to become a developer and develop software for the amiga and still like the amiga as a programming machine 2.. The support from the dealer was fantastic 3.. I can run Ibm mac and amiga software on this machine, BUT AMIGA DEVELOPERS I WANT TO SUPPORT THE AMIGA COMMUNITY. I do not want to use their software, I feel more comfortable with the amiga Os (God I love Amiga Multitasking !!!!!!) >And yes, I'm still waiting for niche market software to appear, and >trying to find time to do it myself. Another bright spot I am not sure how long these titles have been out, but in the true basic magazine, I saw some new educationial titles for the Amiga 1.. probability 2.. statistics 3.. discrete mathmatics By the way let me state that I do like amiga software, I just want to see it become more and more diverse. By the way I am not nieve enough to expect it to happen overnight, but all I want to see is some movement in that di- rection !!!!
bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Bob Luneski) (09/28/90)
In article <1407@winnie.fit.edu> rcs91900@zach.fit.edu ( Charles Stockman /ADVISOR-Clutterham) writes: >> If ( I support the Amiga Community ) >> then >> the Amiga software I want will never be built > >The reason why I complain is that I want developers to write software that I >want so that I will have an urge to buy !!! You see all I am telling de- >velopers is that I want to buy software, but they need to make the software >is want !!!! I WANT TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPER COMMUNTIY > >creditials : -- impressive list of purchases -- No one is questioning your admirable support of the Amiga community, the basic problem lies in the fact that there are simply not enough Amiga owners using the Amiga for the scientific applications you mentioned to warrant development in thses niche markets. You need to look at the developers decision tree: IF( A significant market need exists AND There exists a large enough market to justify significant development resources AND there is a HIGH probablility that development costs will be recovered and a profit will be realized) then a product will be developed to fill that need. Commodore is making some very good progress at making thier machines more attractive to markets other than games and video. We are however left with a vicious circular dilema: No software without a user base - No user base without software to attract it. Hopefully the progress that CBM is making will cause more serious developers to take the risk. ____ ____ /\/\/\ Bob Luneski /\/\/\ \/\/\/ Diamond Back II Support Hotlines: bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM \/\/\/ \/\/ Genie: B.LUNESKI1 CompuServe: 76635,2310 \/\/ \/ \/
yarnall@opusc.csd.scarolina.edu (Ken Yarnall) (09/28/90)
In article <1407@winnie.fit.edu> rcs91900@zach.fit.edu ( Charles Stockman /ADVISOR-Clutterham) writes:
+
+The reason why I complain is that I want developers to write software that I
+want so that I will have an urge to buy !!! You see all I am telling de-
+velopers is that I want to buy software, but they need to make the software
+is want !!!! I WANT TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPER COMMUNTIY
That's it. I want to write software for this man! Better yet, I want to
write software that ONLY HE would want to use! Then and only then would I be
fulfilled as a programmer. Any suggestions? Maybe a spelling/grammar
checker?
+
+creditials :
+
+ Aztec 3.4a
+ Source Level Debugger
+ Aztec 5.0
+ Microfishe Filer
+ Delux Paint 2.0
+ Director
+ UltraCard
+ 3 disk magazines
+ Ultima IV
+ Workbench 1.3
+ Disk Mechanic
+ Machine language Disk for the Abacus book
+ Magellian
Credentials? (that is what you meant, right?) What do you mean? That you
wrote all of these, or just that you bought them? Well, I'm touched.
+Another bright spot
+
+ I am not sure how long these titles have been out, but in the true
+ basic magazine, I saw some new educationial titles for the Amiga
+
+ 1.. probability
+ 2.. statistics
+ 3.. discrete mathmatics
Er, true basic magazine? I'm sorry; I must be slow. What does this mean?
+
+By the way let me state that I do like amiga software, I just want to see
+it become more and more diverse. By the way I am not nieve enough to expect
+it to happen overnight, but all I want to see is some movement in that di-
+rection !!!!
Thanks. I feel much better. But don't worry -- I wasn't naive enough to
think that you felt any differently.
:-)
:-)
:-)
kenny
--
Ken Yarnall /// yarnall@cs.scarolina.EDU
Math Department, USC \\\/// yarnall@ucseast.UUCP
Columbia, S.C. 29208 \\\/ (803)777-6686
I want a T-shirt with a cow on it saying "Don't have a Bart, man."vrr@cbnewsj.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) (09/29/90)
In article <9878@pogo.WV.TEK.COM>, bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Bob Luneski) writes: > In article <1407@winnie.fit.edu> rcs91900@zach.fit.edu ( Charles Stockman /ADVISOR-Clutterham) writes: > >> the Amiga software I want will never be built > > > >The reason why I complain is that I want developers to write software that I > >want so that I will have an urge to buy !!! You see all I am telling de- > >velopers is that I want to buy software, but they need to make the software > >is want !!!! I WANT TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPER COMMUNTIY > > > >creditials : > -- impressive list of purchases -- > > problem lies in the fact that there are simply not enough Amiga owners using > the Amiga for the scientific applications you mentioned to warrant development > > IF( A significant market need exists AND There exists a large enough market > to justify significant development resources AND there is a HIGH > probablility that development costs will be recovered and a profit will > be realized) then a product will be developed to fill that need. > If there is any significant niche market for math/scientific products, please send email/post your needs. I (and others out there) would be happy to create software to fulfill your scientific needs. However, a market *must* previously exist with a definite need for the software to persuade me to spend time developing the product rather than spending time looking for another job. :-) In case anybody's wondering if I'm serious, I certainly am. I have plenty of experience developing software and enough scientific knowhow to tackle real- world problems using software oriented solutions. Currently I am working on a neural net simulator with a graphical interface (I don't see too many of these for the Amiga market.) I'm thinking of releasing it PD or shareware. However, if users have real needs that could be filled by niche-market software, I would be very glad to hear from them. There is enough software produced for the Amiga to fill most conventional needs. I am looking for a few good ideas which would be different as well as marketable. Regards, Ruze vrr@cbnewsj.att.com as
skank@du248-09.cc.iastate.edu (Skank George L) (09/30/90)
In article <9878@pogo.WV.TEK.COM> bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Bob Luneski) writes >[The] >problem lies in the fact that there are simply not enough Amiga owners using >the Amiga for the scientific applications you mentioned to warrant development >in thses niche markets. I'd like to throw my hat into the ring and say that I would pay $$$ for a version of SPICE like PSpice or IntuoSoft Spice for the IBM-PC (particularly one like IntuoSoft Spice). --George
huebner@aerospace.aero.org (Robert E. Huebner) (10/01/90)
In article <1990Sep28.234241.29560@cbnewsj.att.com> vrr@cbnewsj.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) writes: > >If there is any significant niche market for math/scientific products, please >send email/post your needs. I (and others out there) would be happy to create >software to fulfill your scientific needs. However, a market *must* previously >exist with a definite need for the software to persuade me to spend time >developing the product rather than spending time looking for another job. :-) I can think of a few programs whose availability would help get more Amigas into scientific institutions: An expert system engine/front-end. Many platforms have both commercial and PD expert system programs available. NEXPERT on the Mac in a good example of an open-ended program I'd like to have on the Amiga (without AMAX) A program to do graphical and mathematical satellite orbit predictions. It seems the Amiga would excel at animating this sort of information, and a good program to do this on the Amiga (incl. polar orbits, ground coverage, etc) could help companies like Aerospace justify purchases. I'd also like to "second" the request for more graphing software. I'd especially like to see a powerful mathematics package like Mathematica or Theorist. Just my $.02 worth (could become my $3599 worth!) huebner@aerospace.aero.org The Aerospace Corporation El Segundo, CA
zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) (10/09/90)
In article <9878@pogo.WV.TEK.COM> bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Bob Luneski) writes >[The] >problem lies in the fact that there are simply not enough Amiga owners using >the Amiga for the scientific applications you mentioned to warrant development >in thses niche markets. This sort of attitude entirely misses the point. When you sell in niche markets, you sell complete solutions. Generally, what you do (as a salesperson) is find some innocent group of scientists meekly using obsolete equipment/software. You then sell these people the computer, the scientific hardware, and the software, all in one package. You then support them as much as you can, possibly charging them for the service contract. I am hardly an expert in the marketing field, but I believe that this is known as "value added retailing" (I could be wrong....). In other words, when you are going to develop a package, the first thing you do is figure out what your software/instruments are going to do. Then, you find the best hardware to run it on. Your "niche users" are going to use this hardware exclusively for the special application (well, probably not really, but in theory). They aren't planning on using their existing hardware (again, an overgeneralization). It doesn't matter that "not enough" people use brand-x computers. You sell them those computers as part of the package. At least, that is how it is supposed to work. Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers.
a976@mindlink.UUCP (Ron Tarrant) (10/16/90)
> zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu writes: > > Msg-ID: <7832@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> > Posted: 16 Oct 90 19:21:03 GMT > > Org. : Ohio State University Computer and Information Science > Person: Dan Zerkle > > vast > market would open. I am sick of seeing medical computer companies selling > worthless computers (I*M PS/2 70 systems) at INCREDIBLE costs (> $15,000) to > unknowing doctors - taking advantage of their ignorance and making money. > > > Varun Mitroo > mitroo@cis.ohio-state.e du > > ****** End of quoted text ****** > > Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 > Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers. Sounds like poetic justice to me. :-) -Ron Tarrant a976@Mindlink.UUCP
zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) (10/17/90)
I am posting this for Varun Mitroo <mitroo@cis.ohio-state.edu>. Hopefully, I haven't screwed up the above lines too much. ****** Start of quoted text ****** In article <7779@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (me) writes: >In article <9878@pogo.WV.TEK.COM> bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Bob Luneski) writes >>[The] >>problem lies in the fact that there are simply not enough Amiga owners using >>the Amiga for the scientific applications you mentioned to warrant development >>in thses niche markets. > >This sort of attitude entirely misses the point. When you sell in >niche markets, you sell complete solutions. Generally, what you do >(as a salesperson) is find some innocent group of scientists meekly >using obsolete equipment/software. You then sell these people the >computer, the scientific hardware, and the software, all in one >package. You then support them as much as you can, possibly charging >them for the service contract. I am hardly an expert in the marketing >field, but I believe that this is known as "value added retailing" (I >could be wrong....). > >In other words, when you are going to develop a package, the first >thing you do is figure out what your software/instruments are going to >do. Then, you find the best hardware to run it on. Your "niche >users" are going to use this hardware exclusively for the special >application (well, probably not really, but in theory). They aren't >planning on using their existing hardware (again, an >overgeneralization). It doesn't matter that "not enough" people use >brand-x computers. You sell them those computers as part of the >package. > >At least, that is how it is supposed to work. > > Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 > Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers. You are absolutely right. There is a vast market for VARs - not just for scientists, but also for other professionals such as doctors. I recently installed a complete computer system for a doctor's office. The bottom line for the system was to handle medical billing and the patient ledgers - at the lowest cost possible. Weighing all these factors, I decided to purchase a fast (33Mhz '386) PC clone system and the required medical software. I would have loved to set up an Amiga system there, but everything pointed against it: cost, reliability, available software, laser printer drivers, LAN support, and ease of use (for beginners). The entire office staff including the doctor, the nurses, and the receptionist knew almost nothing about computers. Everything concerning the computer had to be taught. For these places (there are many thousands of them across the country) the only thing that matters is that the computer run the specific program that it is supposed to - quickly and without any worries. If Amiga programmers wrote applications for these type of places, a vast market would open. I am sick of seeing medical computer companies selling worthless computers (I*M PS/2 70 systems) at INCREDIBLE costs (> $15,000) to unknowing doctors - taking advantage of their ignorance and making money. All that is required is to make the Amiga more reliable (no GURU), support networking (being done), support laser printers (being done), and write some high quality data base programs for these type of offices. This would be a very good way of getting Amigas into the professional market. Varun Mitroo mitroo@cis.ohio-state.edu ****** End of quoted text ****** Dan Zerkle zerkle@iris.ucdavis.edu (916) 754-0240 Amiga... Because life is too short for boring computers.