navas@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David C. Navas) (10/17/90)
Well, Situations Being AFU -- I not only lost the post I was going to Follow-up-to, but my creation of a new thread seems to have indicated I am in atari.st, and responding to Lord only knows what. My apologies if something else turns out wrong.... Marc's big beef has always been that Apple's color system is more "elegant." That is you can transparently switch from 8 to 24 bits per pixel, without much knowledge by (most) software running under the environment. Compared to what the Amiga offers in response, his point is -=>VALID<=-. In his eyes, the most important thing about the new Apples is the cheap standard color gaphics which Apple has never really had. Again his point is valid. Price comparisons with different machines arguing over different philosophical points (colors, lack of FPU, etc.) gets us nowhere. It's the old story about five blind men sitting around an elephant, touching different parts and trying to describe it -- they will NEVER REACH A CONSENSUS! Apple is now competition. Fine. I welcome the challenge. But Apple and Commodore etc. are fighting one very similar fight -- and that one is against IBM. If we continually compare ourselves against Apple, then the amount of the pie we're reaching for is embarrassingly small. Let's try and remember that the "PC" market is, unfortunately, dominated by IBM. As such, both Apple and Commodore have reasonable alternatives at competitive prices. This in no way justifies the way in which Marc presents his points, but his mannerisms in no way justifies our flames either. We are, in our bizarre individual ways, trying to make what is "AMIGA" into what is the "perfect" computer. Let's try and have reasonable discussions over those points, instead of flames (which nobody likes) about <fill_in_the_blank>. My apologies for wasting bandwidth, feel free to add this to your kill file if you don't like it's gist. I hope this has made some sense.... David Navas navas@sim.berkeley.edu "Excuse my ignorance, but I've been run over by my train of thought." -me
peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (10/19/90)
In article <28857@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> navas@cory.Berkeley.EDU writes: > Marc's big beef has always been that Apple's color system is more "elegant." > That is you can transparently switch from 8 to 24 bits per pixel, without > much knowledge by (most) software running under the environment. Compared > to what the Amiga offers in response, his point is -=>VALID<=-. Oh, pshaw. You open a new application and all the other window colors change. Screens are a far superior solution to the problem of sharing color table space. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>.
navas@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David C. Navas) (10/20/90)
In article <6830@sugar.hackercorp.com> peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <28857@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> navas@cory.Berkeley.EDU writes: >> Marc's big beef has always been that Apple's color system is more "elegant." >> That is you can transparently switch from 8 to 24 bits per pixel, without >Screens are a far superior solution to the problem of sharing color table >space. I think you've misunderstood my hardware-speak for software. I was referring to the ability of taking out those 8-bit boards and just sticking 24-bit boards in there. That's nice, and an ability we really don't have on the Amiga [for some good, technical reasons]. I wasn't referring to that software hack Apple added to their system software that is analogous to ScreenMode in WB2.0 so that some Mac programs which are too stupid to understand color can work. :) [Please, it's a joke, okay?] I agree with your assessment, of course! It's great to show that Honda HAM motorcycle, and then DRAG it down to reveal my monochrome workbench. It's a real eye-opener. >Peter da Silva. `-_-' ><peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>. Where is that TCL port (library), anyway? David Navas navas@cory.berkeley.edu Get -MB- off the net, elect him as our next Vice President. [It's a joke.]