ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP (Daniel Jay Barrett) (12/07/86)
}}Oh Commodore...if you only seeded Amigas here at MIT like apple and ibm do, }}things would really get rolling..... . MIT sells poor unsuspecting }}freshmen IBM's and Apples at special discount prices without even informing }}them of the Amiga and its capability......wanna work out a deal ???? }}Our Amiga group here is already 90 strong, with no incentives at all. }} A Gradual Student at MIT } }Yes! Yes! Commodore, get your act together. The largest groups of Amiga }owners I have seen have been college students. Get an educational discount }system going(go for the high schools as well). It would do more for the }Amiga than anything else I know. } Wonko the Sane This would be a fantastic idea! Commodore, you are losing lots of prospective student buyers to Apple, here at Hopkins. The current offer is something like $1695 for a Mac Plus with Imagewriter II printer (can you say "below dealer cost"?) This semester, there have been at least 2-3 visits from Apple representatives, showing off their products. If Commodore was doing this with the Amiga, I'd buy one today. -- Dan
ali@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Ali Ozer) (12/08/86)
In article <4098@jhunix.UUCP> ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP (Daniel Jay Barrett) writes: >}}Oh Commodore...if you only seeded Amigas here at MIT like apple and ibm do, >}}things would really get rolling..... . MIT sells poor unsuspecting >}}freshmen IBM's and Apples at special discount prices without even informing >}}them of the Amiga and its capability......wanna work out a deal ???? > >}Yes! Yes! Commodore, get your act together. The largest groups of Amiga >}owners I have seen have been college students. Get an educational discount >}system going(go for the high schools as well). > > This would be a fantastic idea! Commodore, you are losing >lots of prospective student buyers to Apple, here at Hopkins. Well, I vote a big YES too! Here at Stanford Apple and IBM are all over the place. And (as I mentioned in an earlier msg before), there are educational applications where the Mac and the IBM can't even dream of competing with the Amiga. (I was talking about use of Amigas in networks and OS classes, I've got several positive and no negative replies to that query.) Another area is graphics --- Here at Stanford graduate students taking CS248, graduate level graphics, use INTERPRETED PASCAL on Macs to do their graphics assignments. My friend convinced the prof that she wanted to do the assignments in C on an Amiga, and (although she was learning C and Amiga at the same time) had an easier time writing the programs that most of the other students. Not to mention the fact the the programs on the Amiga ended up being much more spectacular... I want to see the Amiga in my bookstore! I would personally go hang around the bookstore just so I could demo off the machine. Ali Ozer, ali@navajo
wayne@gumby.WISC.EDU (Frederick Wayne) (12/08/86)
agreed in spades. our microcomputer outlet does a very nice business, thank you, and they're selling apples and ibms. even if the prices were not super-sacrifice low, think of the volume you could build, commodore! think of the PR! the loyalty! it's a whole new distributional channel already in place, staffed with knowledgable people (here at least), and all you have to do is provide machines and a little support. i'd love to see such a program, not simply because i'm cheap, but because the amiga needs proselityzing (sp? help, i need an engineer!) and the universities are great places to do it. not to mention a bit of prestige in the marketplace. i'll bet there are quite a few university outlet that sell apple and IBM...and i'd like to see that pair become a trio. rick
wagner@utcs.UUCP (12/09/86)
Without quoting all the preceeding articles, I just want to point out that the Amiga is getting little publicity here at UofT either. There are sweet deals with IBM and Apple...a little of the same would go a long way. Michael Wagner (wagner@utcs)
eve@ssc-bee.UUCP (12/09/86)
Bah! Humbug! Although the Apple educational discounts may have put a large number of Apples into students' hands, I'm not convinced it did Apple any good in the larger market. In fact, it raised considerable ire among the general computing population. It seemed like almost everyone (students, developers, teachers, etc) could get a fantastic deal on the Mac while John Q. Public could walk into his neighborhood computer store and get fantastically screwed. Let's just have one pricing policy for everyone. No more privileged groups. -- Mike Eve Boeing Aerospace, Seattle ...uw-beaver!ssc-vax!ssc-bee!eve
lachac@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (Gerard Lachac) (12/10/86)
Well since everyone else is speaking, you might as well add Rutgers University to this list. If there was a rep on campus, and a decent discount like we have with the Mac(argh!) and the IBM (NO comment!) we would have a lot more users...
eric@ulysses.UUCP (12/10/86)
The regional Commodore reps just told me that they came back from a very upbeat meeting with CBM. They are definitly going to be starting an educational program and are looking to seriously undercut the program currently offered by Atari (which is something like 25% off)... Here's hoping, Eric -- ARPA: Lavitsky@RED.RUTGERS.EDU UUCP: ...ulysses!eric ...caip!topaz!eric ...hplabs!well!lavitsky
dave@uwmcsd1.UUCP (12/10/86)
> > > Well since everyone else is speaking, you might as well add the University of WI system to this list. Friends of mine would have gone out and bought amigi, but the zenith (arrrrrrgv) and ibm (again no comment) deals are sweeter when it comes to student budgets. -- The views above are those of my keyboard, not my organization. Dave Rasmussen c/o Computing Services Division @ U of WI - Milwaukee Internet: dave@csd1.milw.wisc.edu Uucp: uwvax!uwmcsd1!dave Csnet: uwmcsd1!dave@uwm Phone: +1 (414) 963-5133
mjp@spice.cs.cmu.edu.UUCP (12/10/86)
Keywords: Let me add my voice to the chorus of people demanding C-A discounts on campus. Here at Carnegie-Mellon you can get wonderful deals on IBM and Apple stuff (I could have bought a MacPlus or a full IBM PC system for about $1600 each), but Amigas are not to be found anywhere. We're moving to a campus network based on workstations (RT's, uVaxen and Suns), so it really doesn't matter what PC's the computer store carries. A student discount would undercut the deals IBM and Apple are giving, and once people saw the machine they would buy it. C-A, do you see a pattern emerging? Maybe you should look at this wide-open market you've completely ignored until now. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mike Portuesi | | Carnegie-Mellon University Computer Science Department | | | | ARPA: mjp@spice.cs.cmu.edu | | UUCP: {harvard | seismo | ucbvax | decwrl}!spice.cs.cmu.edu!mjp | | | | "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" | | --Laurie Anderson, "Home of the Brave" | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
ali@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Ali Ozer) (12/12/86)
In article <662@ssc-bee.UUCP> eve@ssc-bee.UUCP (Michael Eve) writes: >Although the Apple educational discounts may have put a large number of >Apples into students' hands, I'm not convinced it did Apple any good in >the larger market. In fact, it raised considerable ire among the general >computing population. It seemed like almost everyone (students, developers, >teachers, etc) could get a fantastic deal on the Mac while John Q. Public >could walk into his neighborhood computer store and get fantastically >screwed. >Let's just have one pricing policy for everyone. No more privileged groups. I agree. In fact, the Amiga's current price is so good that if it was to be sold in the campus bookstore WITHOUT any further discounts it still would look real good beside the Macs and the IBMs WITH discounts. I just wish Commodore would try to make deals with the schools such that we start seeing Amigas in the bookstores and labs! I guess when I said "educational discounts" I really did not mean discounts for students but special arrangements that would make the Amiga as desirable to the universities as the Mac and the IBM. As it is, an average student goes to the bookstore to check out the computers, and is presented with 3 different Macs and 3 different IBMs, and makes his/her choice between those machines, without even going off campus to see the other alternatives. After all, the bookstore is giving a discount, right, so there won't be anything better/more cost effective available outside! Ali Ozer, ali@navajo.stanford.edu
lachac@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (Gerard Lachac) (12/12/86)
In article <662@ssc-bee.UUCP> eve@ssc-bee.UUCP (Michael Eve) writes: >Let's just have one pricing policy for everyone. No more privileged groups. This would be nice if everyone did it. However if you were a college student with a small income, and you could get a Mac of IBM package (printer, etc.) for less than an Amiga package, wouldn't you? I mean if we are ONLY talking money, a computer is just like any other computer...
news@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Usenet netnews) (12/19/86)
Organization : California Institute of Technology Keywords: From: tim@tomcat.Caltech.Edu (Tim Kay) Path: tomcat!tim Let me "n'th" the motion. Here at Caltech, IBM is dumping FREE AT's. Apple is offering very lucrative deals on Mac+'s. To go with all this stuff, the Campus Computing Organization is giving out PC peripherals FREE and the PC people are eating it up like kids in a kid store. (I am writing this on my free PC.) There are also site licenses for many good software packages like Lattice C, Epsilon (emacs), STSC APL, TeX, etc. If Amiga offered the machines at a modest discount, I would buy one. I would like 4096 colors and a 68000. Timothy L. Kay tim@csvax.caltech.edu Department of Computer Science Caltech, 256-80 Pasadena, CA 91125
parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) (12/16/89)
This is my first post, but I think a lot of you may be interested. BACKGROUND I have been in contact with C= ever since the Educom. I am a consultant at Oakland U's computer lab and convinced my boss to go see C= at the Educom. I've had an A1000 for over four years! (With NO problems!!) Anyway, I spoke with Dr. Harrison (VP Higher Education) about discounts. He said they were working on (LIST Price * .62 = Student/University Price). However, there was nothing formal, yet. So, I waited and finally couldn't stand it. I called Dr. Harrison and said I have to upgrade to a 2000, NOW! He was willing to go out of his way to see I got what I wanted. I didn't do it then hoping the OFFICIAL policy would be sent out soon. Two and a half weeks ago I called C= and spoke with Howard Diamond (VP Marketing). He said the rumors I heard (the ones I read in c.s.a) were false and they would be releasing the details to dealers in about a week. I pushed my dealer and this is what he came up with today: THE UNOFFICIAL OFFICIAL EDUCATIONAL DISCOUNT POLICY =================================================== Starts the first of the year? Student needs proof from University that s/he is a student. Student needs check made out to Commodore Business Machines. Student goes to local dealer with the aforementioned peices of paper. Student tells dealer what package s/he wants. Dealer tells C= and C= dropships package to dealer. Student picks up package at dealer. Student has a wonderful time with the greatest PC ever built. :-) So what are the packages????? A2000 Package A500 Package ============= ============ A2000 CPU A500 CPU A1084 Monitor A1084 Monitor A2010 Internal Drive A1010 External Drive A2286 AT Bridgeboard A501 Memory Expansion ==================== ===================== Total $ 2109.00 + Tax $ 799.00 + Tax My dealer confided that these are about 30% below his cost!! IN CONCLUSION It is coming. It is not what I was hoping for. But if it sounds good to anyone in the Metro Detroit Area, the dealer I am referring to is Slipped Disk. The owner's name is Jeff Moskow. Mr. Diamond told him that he will accept any order from him even though this is not OFFICIAL C= policy. That means you can be the first in the country to get an educational discount. As for me, I'm seeing him on Monday to buy a machine that is closer to what I want, and not the package being offered by Commodore. // Jeffrey D. Parker // IF Pro = For & Con = Against; parkerjd@unix.secs.oakland.edu \\ // AND Progress = Advancement; parkerjd@smv.secs.oakland.edu \X/ WHAT IS CONGRESS ????
bralick@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Will Bralick) (12/18/89)
In article <299@egrunix.UUCP> parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) writes: | | THE UNOFFICIAL OFFICIAL EDUCATIONAL DISCOUNT POLICY | =================================================== | | So what are the packages????? | | A2000 Package A500 Package | ============= ============ | A2000 CPU A500 CPU | A1084 Monitor A1084 Monitor | A2010 Internal Drive A1010 External Drive | A2286 AT Bridgeboard A501 Memory Expansion | ==================== ===================== | Total $ 2109.00 + Tax $ 799.00 + Tax Now, for those of us who already have some of the above, can components (e.g. A2286) be bought separately? Also, excuse my ignorance, but has an upgrade path 2620 -> 2630, or Amiga 2500 -> 2500UX been announced? Thanks! Regards, -- Will Bralick | ... when princes think more of bralick@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu | luxury than of arms, they lose bralick@gondor.cs.psu.edu | their state. with disclaimer; use disclaimer; | - Niccolo Machiavelli
parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) (12/18/89)
In article <1989Dec17.172125.19318@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu>, bralick@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Will Bralick) writes: > In article <299@egrunix.UUCP> parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) writes: > | [ package descriptions deleted..If you want them again, email me. ] > > Now, for those of us who already have some of the above, can components > (e.g. A2286) be bought separately? Also, excuse my ignorance, but > has an upgrade path 2620 -> 2630, or Amiga 2500 -> 2500UX been > announced? Thanks! > > Regards, > > -- > Will Bralick | ... when princes think more of > bralick@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu | luxury than of arms, they lose > bralick@gondor.cs.psu.edu | their state. > with disclaimer; use disclaimer; | - Niccolo Machiavelli No, this is all my dealer and I could get from Mr. Diamond. In fact, Diamond said that Mr. Copperman has not really approved the policy yet. That is why I said UNOFFICIALly Official Policy. If there are any changes after the first of the year, I will be rather upset. I would have hoped for either an across the board discount, or at least a few more choices. All I can figure, C= is trying to get mainly new business by givin IBM customers the best of both worlds. It certainly doesn't seem to do anything for those of us who may not want IBM compatibility. And there are quite a few of us from what I gather!!!! Jeff sorry I'm not too creative tonight.
kms@uncecs.edu (Ken Steele) (12/18/89)
In article <303@egrunix.UUCP>, parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) writes: > In article <1989Dec17.172125.19318@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu>, bralick@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Will Bralick) writes: > > In article <299@egrunix.UUCP> parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) writes: > > | > [ package descriptions deleted..If you want them again, email me. ] > > > > No, this is all my dealer and I could get from Mr. Diamond. In fact, Diamond > said that Mr. Copperman has not really approved the policy yet. That is why > I said UNOFFICIALly Official Policy. > > > Jeff > > sorry I'm not too creative tonight. What is so frustrating about all of this is that it is still an UNOFFICIAL policy even though CBM's ad in Academic Computing stressed that Howard Diamond had pushed through an OFFICIAL educational discount policy. The ad even gives an 800 number to call about ed. discounts. Whatever CBM decides to do, they should at least tell their advertising people so that potential customers are not driven away by "misstatements." Ken -- Ken Steele Dept. of Psychology kms@ecsvax[.bitnet] Mars Hill College kms@ecsvax.uncecs.edu Mars Hill, NC 28754 {some big name site}!mcnc!ecsvax!kms
parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) (12/19/89)
Well, I started this and I just received some more information from my dealer today. (BTW, I left with a very nice 2000 setup from him.) The first thing he tells me is that he spoke with Howard Diamond again. It appears that there will be several different packages from which to choose. They all will include a monitor, though. Something I don't need. Evidently, because me and my dealer pressured him, he gave us what he thought were the most popular packages. Jeffrey D. Parker parkerjd@unix.secs.oakland.edu // Don't crush that dwarf, parkerjd@vms.secs.oakland.edu // Hand ME the pliers. parker@vela.acs.oakland.edu \X/ Firesign Theater
ken@cbmcats.UUCP (Ken Farinsky) (12/19/89)
In article <1989Dec17.172125.19318@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu> bralick@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Will Bralick) writes: >In article <299@egrunix.UUCP> parkerjd@egrunix.UUCP (Jeffrey D. Parker) writes: > >has an upgrade path 2620 -> 2630, or Amiga 2500 -> 2500UX been >announced? Thanks! Amiga Unix and the 2500UX have not been announced as products yet. Currently they are only technology previews, none have been shipped to customers. There are no dates, prices or upgrade policies available. -------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Farinsky -- CATS Commodore Business Machines PHONE 215-431-9421 UUCP ...{uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!ken --------------------------------------------------------------
dbuchtal@math.lsa.umich.edu (Dave Buchtal) (01/15/90)
I just went to a local Amiga dealer (Slipped Disk of East Lansing) and they had a professional-looking flier with the Educational discounts set up on it. The earlier-quoted prices were listed ($799 for A500+A501+A1010+A1084S, etc.) Also, they had components on sale INDIVIDUALLY. For example, the A2000 cpu was $1186 and the A1010 was $179. These deals aren't as good as the packages, but still better than most mail order places I have seen. Therefore, if you have Educational Discount opportunity, you can probably save yourself some greenbacks. Yes, Veronica, there is a Santa Claus! Dave Buchthal P.S. Don't write to me and ask me for more details. He wasn't handing out the flier, he just had it on display. I don't have other prices handy, but if my dealer knows about it, yours should too.
sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (01/17/90)
Our local dealer just told my user group that CBM is now offering incredible educational discounts on a lot of Amiga hardware. I can't remember all the details, so if someone from CBM reads this: How about posting full details (and any corrections to any mistakes I make here) * For $799 Amiga 500, 1 meg of memory external 3.5 floppy drive 1084 (s?) monitor * For $1399 Amiga 2000, 1 meg of memory Standard (XT compatible) Bridgeboard 2 3.5 floppies 1 5.25 floppy 1084 (s?) monitor There were some other packages announced, including one for the Amiga 2000HD and 2500/20 and some hardrive for the 500 for $400 (I didn't pay attention to the brand). I am sorry I didn't get full details last night. But maybe someone at CBM can post a complete list? The dealer also did not mention how long these discounts were going to last. To qualify you have to be a teacher or student (full time student, I believe) I will post a followup article with complete details when I can get them from the dealer, unless CBM posts something first. I think this is a positive step forward for CBM in combating the "infiltration" of Macs and PC's in our schools. You can't beat those prices with a stick ;-) -- John Sparks | D.I.S.K. 24hrs 1200bps. Accessable via Starlink (Louisville KY) sparks@corpane.UUCP <><><><><><><><><><><> D.I.S.K. ph:502/968-5401 thru -5406 Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down.
commike@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Alan Commike ) (01/21/90)
Hi all,
I was just off to my local dealer to try to find out some more about the
educational discounts. This is what i've gotten:
- Only packages are available to University students:
- 500 + 512K mem exp. + ext. drive + 1084 ... $799
- 2000 + 2nd internal floppy + XT bridgeboard + 1084 ... $1599
- 2000 + 40 Meg HD + AT bridgeboard + 1084 ... $2579
- 2500/30 + AT bridgeboard + 1084 ... $3679
- To get any other equipment (the whole commodore line) you must
also buy a package. For example:
- 2630 w/ 2 Meg ... $1429
- 2091-40 ... $589
- If you are an "Educational Institution" you could buy any
of the misc. equipment.
I have with me an order form and, "Terms and Conditions of sale for
educational institions". I don't have a general terms and conditions for
students and employees. I am questioning if an institution can actually
buy separate components. It does say right on the order form, "Individual
components may only be purchased in conjunction with a system or CPU".
Does anyone have any different or additional information. Their definition
of an Educational Institution is a bit odd.
A) Elementary or secondary school (K - 12) accredited by the State Board
of Education or equiv.
B) A vocational, technical or post-secondary school accredited by
1) one of the six regional accrediting agencies of higher ed.
2) authorized state govt. dept.
3) or an agency or association recognized by such a dept.
C) Special Ed. schools...
What are the "six regional accrediting agencies of higher education"??
I take this to mean any University. Can anyone elaborate?
On the order form there is a place for an "Authorized Institution
Representative" to sign. But it does not define this. Is this the president
of the University, the head of the department, a faculty member??
Well there you have it. Discounts it seems are only for whole systems, which
leaves out upgrading your current system, without buying a whole new box.
Great for 500 owners, kinda lousy for me and the rest of the 2000 owners.
The deal about instiutions buying individual components, i'm not too sure
about. But the discounts are real!! Oh, and the A2232 Multi-Serial Board
is listed. List $399, disc. $259.
...alan
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sparks@corpane.UUCP (I) write: >* For $1399 >Amiga 2000, 1 meg of memory >Standard (XT compatible) Bridgeboard >2 3.5 floppies >1 5.25 floppy >1084 (s?) monitor OOOPs, my error (acually my dealers error). The price on this package is $1599. Sorry for any confusion. But it's still a great deal. -- John Sparks | D.I.S.K. 24hrs 1200bps. Accessable via Starlink (Louisville KY) sparks@corpane.UUCP <><><><><><><><><><><> D.I.S.K. ph:502/968-5401 thru -5406 Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down.
sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (01/22/90)
commike@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Alan Commike ) writes: >On the order form there is a place for an "Authorized Institution >Representative" to sign. But it does not define this. Is this the president >of the University, the head of the department, a faculty member?? I picked up an application for a friend the other day. The dealer told me to get the Registrar of my friend's college to sign it. However he just gave me a photocopy of the application and did not give me the terms and conditions. would you mind posting them for me and the others out there who are interested? What qualifications does the student have to meet? -- John Sparks | D.I.S.K. 24hrs 1200bps. Accessable via Starlink (Louisville KY) sparks@corpane.UUCP <><><><><><><><><><><> D.I.S.K. ph:502/968-5401 thru -5406 Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down.
scroll@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Steve Croll) (01/23/90)
Concerning the educational discounts, does anyone know if the packages can be broken up? More specifically, I am interested in the 2000HD package, but I have no use for the AT BridgeBoard. So far my local dealer has *zero* information on the discounts. He does not even know if they exist (he is not yet a believer in the power of UseNet :-). If the package composition is firm, are there any restrictions to selling the AT BridgeBoard (like back to the dealer, or a third party)? It would be too bad (for me at least) if there was no way to unload the BridgeBoard beast; I cannot afford the 2000HD package as it stands now. I estimate that cutting out the silly BridgeBoard would save at least $700-$800. As a side note, I would not be interested in a BridgeBoard even if someone gave it to me for free. I have been a proud owner of an Amiga 1000 since 1986, and I have yet to find a need for IBM compatibility. To me, the BridgeBoard would only be taking up space in the 2000 that could be used for better things (such as using the 5.25" drive bay for my 60 meg hard disk that is currently attached to my A1000). -- -- Steve Croll (email: scroll@beach.cis.ufl.edu home: 904-373-8389)
krag@cup.portal.com (Kevin Ray Grotjohn) (01/23/90)
So commodore apparantly wants to force students to buy 1084's. I wonder what they will do when they riot because the can't use the new video modes from 1.4. Sure you can sell it, but who would buy one? I'm not eligible for a student discount, although I did buy an A1000 years ago for over $2000 of grandmas money to meet the IBM requirement of the school :-}
bear@bu-pub.bu.edu (Blair M. Burtan) (01/24/90)
>>>>> On 22 Jan 90 14:08:38 GMT, sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) said:
Is it just me or do these discount prices look a lot like
those offered by Montgomery Grant? Please, let's not start up
the Grey Market thread again. It's just an observation.
I'm up nights praying that the 3000 comes out before I graduate
in May.whansen@vsgft1.WV.TEK.COM (Bill Hansen;;63-171;;vsgft1) (02/06/90)
I was going over the educational discount list and I have two questions: 1) Is there a way to buy the 2500/30 package with 4 Meg of memory? (I.E. a fully populated 2500/30?) 2) Will there be a discount on the UNIX package when released? (This is what I really want to get.) Any comments from someone at Commodore? Bill Hansen whansen@vsgft1.WV.TEK.COM
bmacintyre@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Blair MacIntyre) (02/12/90)
Quick question.
I missed the educational discount discussion (hard to believe, eh?)
so I was wondering if some kind person could MAIL me (not post) the
summary of the policy. Specifically, I'm wondering what comes with
the systems for those prices.
Thanks,
Blair
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-- Date, verb: prearranged socializing with intent.daniel.ervi@canremote.uucp (DANIEL ERVI) (02/16/90)
Well, I was informed yesterday that us Canadians will not receive any educational discounts. This means if you live just 1 mile over the boder, a 2500 will cost you 5500(CDN), but if you live in the states, 1 mile away, you can get the same system with a monitor, and an AT BridgeCard for about 4500 (CDN). Does this seem unfair, or is it just me.... Daniel --- * Via ProDoor 3.1R
terry@helios.ucsc.edu (Terry Ricketts) (02/17/90)
In article <90021610511130@masnet.uucp> daniel.ervi@canremote.uucp (DANIEL ERVI) writes: >Well, I was informed yesterday that us Canadians will not receive any >educational discounts. This means if you live just 1 mile over the >boder, a 2500 will cost you 5500(CDN), but if you live in the states, 1 >mile away, you can get the same system with a monitor, and an AT >BridgeCard for about 4500 (CDN). Does this seem unfair, or is it just >me.... Is it possible to drive the 2 miles to a dealer in the States, or is the fact that you are a student in a Canadian school prohibit you from buying? This is a strange set of events, especially since I read recently that 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US/Canadian border. This could make dealers near the border very busy ).
cmcmanis@stpeter.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (02/17/90)
In article <90021610511130@masnet.uucp> (DANIEL ERVI) writes: > Does this seem unfair, or is it just me.... It's just you. :-) No really, Commodore Canada and Commodore USA are two different companies that both report to Irving Gould. Commodore USA needs to boost its sales in its country because they are lagging everyone else, so they have come up with a plan to get more machines into student's hands. Commodore Canada on the other hand probably feels they are already selling plenty of Amigas (I know the World of Commodore shows are much more exciting up there) and so don't need to start a University program. You might just as well ask yourself is it fair that Utah's clocks are set an hour later than Nevada clocks. If you lived 1 mile from Utah (or even had a house that straddled the state line) you could get jet lag going from the bedroom to the kitchen. Fair usually doesn't come into the picture when you are discussing boundary conditions. --Chuck McManis uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. "If it didn't have bones in it, it wouldn't be crunchy now would it?!"
watters@penguin.cis.ohio-state.edu (david r watters) (02/18/90)
I have a question about dealer fee. ^L My dealer wants me to pay... $2800 2500/30 .0575 TAX (Ohio) $15 Dealer Fee ?????? ----- $3000 Does anyone have a clue if I should be paying this, or where I should get it instead! Thanks
daniel.ervi@canremote.uucp (DANIEL ERVI) (02/18/90)
Well, the dealer needs to confirm that you are enrolled in a school, correct? I guess that means that it would work. Maybe I should inquire? Daniel --- * Via ProDoor 3.1R
880274d@aucs.uucp (Ralph Doncaster) (02/19/90)
daniel.ervi@canremote.uucp (DANIEL ERVI) writes: >Well, I was informed yesterday that us Canadians will not receive any >educational discounts. This means if you live just 1 mile over the >boder, a 2500 will cost you 5500(CDN), but if you live in the states, 1 >mile away, you can get the same system with a monitor, and an AT >BridgeCard for about 4500 (CDN). Does this seem unfair, or is it just >me.... >Daniel I heard the same thing recently. I'd like to find out the E-mail addresses of some people at commodore Canada, to put pressure on them. I might even try regular mail. It really irks me to hear about all of the great things Commodore USA is doing, and Commodore Canada seem to be just sitting around on thier buts. Maybe if enough of us Canadians get on their backs they'll do something about it. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Ralph Doncaster Don't Steal - The Government hates competition. | |880274d@AcadiaU.CA 329 CHI, Acadia University, Wolfville, NS B0P 1X0 | |UUCP: {uunet|watmath|utai}!cs.dal.ca!aucs!880274d BITNET: 880274d@Acadia |
ypcazabon@rose.waterloo.edu (Yvan Cazabon) (02/19/90)
I agree that not having the educational discounts here in Canada is more than just disappointing, but there are other factors, namely, Canada Customs. The amiga is not, and correct me if I'm wrong, manufactured here in Canada, so Commodore Canada would have to absorb excise tax, duties and al. in order to offer a similar educational discount. Remember, the free trade clause on computer hardware and such won't come into effect for a few years yet. Having said that, I do hope Commodore Canada will be able to offer something to its Canadian following in the near future. Can anybody suggest some way for Commodore to offset its extra overhead? Maybe some new variation on the trade-in program? Regards, Yvan Cazabon I've always been dependent on the kindness of NET-strangers.
4223_5105@uwovax.uwo.ca (02/19/90)
In article <21061@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, ypcazabon@rose.waterloo.edu (Yvan Cazabon) writes: > I agree that not having the educational discounts here in Canada is more > than just disappointing, but there are other factors, namely, Canada Customs. > The amiga is not, and correct me if I'm wrong, manufactured here in Canada, > so Commodore Canada would have to absorb excise tax, duties and al. in > order to offer a similar educational discount. Remember, the free trade > clause on computer hardware and such won't come into effect for a few years > yet. > > Having said that, I do hope Commodore Canada will be able to offer something > to its Canadian following in the near future. Can anybody suggest some way > for Commodore to offset its extra overhead? Maybe some new variation on the > trade-in program? > > Regards, > Yvan Cazabon > -- There has not been any duty on AMERICAN made computer equipment for more than a year now. Unfortuately Commodore equipment is not made in the states. Only some MacIntosh stuff and some IBM clones are made in the states. There is only 3.9% duty on computer equipment anyways, but we still have to pay 13.5% federal sales tax on top of everyting else. Once the GST goes in it will be down to 7% or whatever it will be by then. even with all the taxes and duty if you could get a 2500/30 with the educational discount it would work out to under 5000 dollars canadian as compared with the suggested list of over 10000 dollars from the last LIST i have. probably the biggest overhead that commodore canada has is it's warranty that it offers. Yes here in canada we pay twice as much as you americans just so that we get a ONE WHOLE YEAR WARRANTY on all CBM equipment that we buy. I'm getting my 2500/30 in the states! john amiga@uwo.ca amiga@uwovax.bitnet vectrex@ria.uucp
peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna) (02/20/90)
In article <21061@watdragon.waterloo.edu> ypcazabon@rose.waterloo.edu (Yvan Cazabon) writes: >I agree that not having the educational discounts here in Canada is more >than just disappointing, but there are other factors, namely, Canada Customs. >The amiga is not, and correct me if I'm wrong, manufactured here in Canada, >so Commodore Canada would have to absorb excise tax, duties and al. in >order to offer a similar educational discount. Remember, the free trade >clause on computer hardware and such won't come into effect for a few years >yet. The Free Trade Agreement (FTA) between Canada and the United States provides for the elimination of duties on most goods made in one country and imported into the other. Some classes of goods have had their duties dropped right away, while on others it will take up to eight or ten years for the duty to disappear. Computers were among the first to have their duties removed. The A500 carton states "Assembled in the U.S.A. from foreign and domestic components", which should be enough to get it into Canada duty-free. Before anyone gets too excited, the duty used to be around five or six percent for computers. The 13.5% (I think) federal sales tax still exists, and that still would have to be paid. So importing a computer into Canada in 1990 should be about 5% cheaper than it was in 1988 (I think that the Federal sales tax climbed about 1% in the same period). On the other hand, some components are manufactured elsewhere (like the 1080 monitor, made in Japan), and do not benefit from the FTA. Of course, I'm not a customs expert, and there probably are some different rules for companies importing in quantity, or importing their own goods. Who knows. >Having said that, I do hope Commodore Canada will be able to offer something >to its Canadian following in the near future. Can anybody suggest some way >for Commodore to offset its extra overhead? Maybe some new variation on the >trade-in program? Students in Quebec have enjoyed an educational discount for at least two years. This arrangement was negotiated by the engineering students in Quebec, through the Coalition of Engineering Faculties of Quebec (COFIQ). Commodore Business Machines Ltd. Canada is not the same company as CBM Inc. in the U.S.A. They also face different sets of problems, like different laws, including FCC-type things. It also means that things that happen on one side of the border don't automatically happen on the other. It works both ways, and I can name two examples: the SideCar and the 2080 high-persistence monitor were both available in Canada long before they were available in the States. I have friends back home that are happy with both products. >Regards, >Yvan Cazabon Peter -- Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!peter peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer. (and from Montreal, Quebec).
stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu (Steve Ludtke) (02/21/90)
I've seen a lot about Commodore's new educational discount program, but I haven't seen anything about how to take advantage of it. If I want to buy a computer under this program, what do I need to do ? Our school doesn't sell Amiga's, so that's out. Can you do it through any dealer ??? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu CS-> | <-Ph stevel@citiago (Bitnet) \|/ I DO ... 72335,1537 (Compuserve) ?
axjjb@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (02/21/90)
-Message-Text-Follows- In article <1990Feb21.032229.2096@spectre.ccsf.caltech.edu>, stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu (Steve Ludtke) writes... > > I've seen a lot about Commodore's new educational discount program, but >I haven't seen anything about how to take advantage of it. If I want to buy a >computer under this program, what do I need to do ? Our school doesn't sell >Amiga's, so that's out. Can you do it through any dealer ??? > > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu CS-> | <-Ph >stevel@citiago (Bitnet) \|/ I DO ... >72335,1537 (Compuserve) ? That is how my sister got hers. We now have two..mine and hers... Our amiga dealer way up here in Alaska was more than happy to give her all the info and forms required..(He gets all the software support from the purchase)..ie..he sells the amiga(doesn't quite make as much money as he woulkd like..) but he then who is my sister going to turn to for software or additional hardware...Him... anyways..I digress...yes you're dealer should have all the info you need.. (and then some..) by the way..how much does a good audio digitizer cost??
stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu (Steve Ludtke) (02/22/90)
Thank you everyone who replied to my posting about where to get educational discounts. Everyone said essentailly the same thing, for anyone else who's interested : you can get the educational discount by ordering through your school if they participate, or just by going to your local dealer. Apparently all (or most) dealers have the necessary paperwork. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu CS-> | <-Ph stevel@citiago (Bitnet) \|/ I DO ... 72335,1537 (Compuserve) ?
sjm@sun.acs.udel.edu (Steve Morris) (02/22/90)
In article <5031.25df6b11@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4223_5105@uwovax.uwo.ca writes: >-- >There has not been any duty on AMERICAN made computer equipment for more >than a year now. Unfortuately Commodore equipment is not made in the states. then where is it made? As far as I know the computers are assembled right here in West Chester. At least some of them are. I know of a few visitors there who have seen palletts of Amigas sitting on the loading docks at Commodore.
4223_5105@uwovax.uwo.ca (02/25/90)
In article <8160@sun.acs.udel.edu>, sjm@sun.acs.udel.edu (Steve Morris) writes: > then where is it made? As far as I know the computers are assembled > right here in West Chester. At least some of them are. I know of a few > visitors there who have seen palletts of Amigas sitting on the loading > docks at Commodore. I have seen a pallet of Amigas sitting in a truck but it doesn't mean that they were assembled in the TRUCK. All the mother boards that I have seen say ASSEMBLED IN HONG KONG. They may put the motherboards in the cases or cards in the amigas at West Chester. john
ggibeau@ucqais.uc.edu (AMOEBOID) (02/26/90)
In article <77257@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>, watters@penguin.cis.ohio-state.edu (david r watters) writes: > I have a question about dealer fee. > My dealer wants me to pay... > $2800 2500/30 > .0575 TAX (Ohio) > $15 Dealer Fee ?????? > ----- > $3000 > Does anyone have a clue if I should be paying this, or where I should get it > instead! There are NO dealer fees. PERIOD. Since you are paying for the machine directly to CBM via certified or cashiers check, the dealer would get none of this anyway. If you read the form, the $15 is required of Educators and Students to pay for shipping/handling of the equipment from Commodore, Institutions get free shipping and can use purchase orders. So you should be paying nothing more than the amount listed on the Educational Price List + Tax + $15 (S/H) Regards, George -- UUCP: ucqais.uc.edu!ggibeau BBS: (513) 721-7977 GT NODE: 006/005 US Snail-Dept of Biology ML 06, University of Cincinnati, Ohio 45221 ---I mean what I say, and I say what I mean------ -----BUT, not at the same time!
Jim.Priestle@afitamy.fidonet.org (Jim Priestle) (03/01/90)
** Quoting 4223_5105@uwovax.uwo.ca to All ** >probably the biggest overhead that commodore canada has is >it's warranty that it >offers. Yes here in canada we pay twice as much as you americans >just so that we >get a ONE WHOLE YEAR WARRANTY on all CBM equipment that we >buy. >I'm getting my 2500/30 in the states! > ** End of Quote ** All warrantees in the states are 90 days. The only exception I've heard of si where I got mine, DGS in Dayton, OH. They offer their own 1 year extension at no extra cost (that should be "extension TO one year"). Maybe some other service center/reatailers are doing this, I don't know. -jim- -- ------------------------------------------------- Jim Priestle - via FidoNet node 1:110/300 UUCP: uunet!dayvb!afitamy!Jim.Priestle ARPA: Jim.Priestle@afitamy.fidonet.org -------------------------------------------------| >>>> The // Air Force Institute of Technology | > // Amiga Users BBS/UFGateway | > \ // Dayton, Ohio (513)-252-7681 | > X/ 1:110/300 | -------------------------------------------------|
steve@digibd (Steve Wahl) (03/08/90)
Could someone please e-mail the discount prices to me? I didn't save them, as I'm not a student nor an educator; but sure enough I have this friend who's a student and wants some advice on purchasing a computer! Thanks! --> Steve --- Steve Wahl uunet!digibd!steve DigiBoard Inc. St. Louis Park, MN (612) 922-8055 -- Steve Wahl uunet!digibd!steve DigiBoard Inc. St. Louis Park, MN (612) 922-8055
GORRIEDE@UREGINA1.BITNET (Dennis Robert Gorrie) (03/15/90)
COMMODORE CANADA POLICY ?????? Well, two weeks ago I went to my dealer, here in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. He told me there would be NO educational discount, and that there would be NO A1000 trade in offer. Now, two weeks later, he says that we now have an A1000 trade in deal, but there is still NO educational discount program. To summarize : Most dealers will just assume these programs don't exist if they have not heard of them before; they usualy don't have the time or patience to deal with Commodore Canada and try to get a straight answer from them. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Dennis Gorrie 'Chain-Saw Tag... | |GORRIEDE AT UREGINA1.BITNET Try It, You'll Like It!'| +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
a228amid@zero.cdf (Amid Rudy) (03/17/90)
That's right. We don't get any good deals up here in Canada (I'm in Toronto)
plus the support is just slow. One thing for sure, we live so close to Buffalo
that it is tempting to drive down there, *dodge* the custom/duane and bring
back some Amiga goodies courtesy of our American school friends... \;-)
Why we don't get the same deals as our friends down south? No one really
knows... Canada is a big market for Commodore USA.
!Rudy
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+---------------------------+ "Hey, this is neat!"reynaldo@athena.mit.edu (Rey Villarreal) (08/23/90)
Could someone mail me the price list for the Educational Discounts. I am begining to tire of my 500 and 1 meg. Any info on the A3000 & A2000 is especially important.
jon@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) (11/02/90)
Could someone please send me copy of the latest discount prices
of A2000 systems (and what they consist of)?
Thank you.
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