sneakers@heimat.UUCP (Dan "Sneakers" Schein) (08/05/89)
In Message <3677@csd4.milw.wisc.edu>, boottrax@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Boot Trax) from: > This may be a question that has been floating around the net for some time >now but I still am wondering... Since the Amiga 300 has been floating around >the drawing table for some time, is there a release date on that system? Drawing table? Heck they went into production last week at CBM's newest plant in Moscow. Irving and Gorby struck up a deal for low wages and to keep it a secret from Apple and Compute (Seems CBM wont let Computes printer let this one leak out) - in excahnge CBM is giving the USSR school system 400,000 of the most techo wenie computers that CBM has ever made, the Plus 4! If the CCC (Communist Communications Commision) approval can be gotten, (and I hear its only a matter of giving them a few thousand C-16's) the 3000 should hit dealers shelfs in about 3 weeks. Of course the first ones will be using the Russan shipping boxs and not use the new American boxes (which have amuch nicer logo). Also the RSCS (Really Super Chip Set) that offers 5 Meg Agnus, 3.2 million colors in HAM mode, and 2000 x 4000 flicker free display will not be included. These first run machines will however have a STALIN tower so the 030 can be used (seems there was a slight design problem not found until it was just too darn late). It comes with a built in 386sx chip and Janus 3.6 software standard. Now you no longer need a bridgecard. The new improved TOWER case also has a much larger power light and power supply to drive this light. > I remember when I bought my 2000 and I traded in my 1000 for it plus 1000 >dollars, would and deals like that be floating around marketers heads now? Hey thats a secret yet! Sneakers PS: FYI: its all a joke ;-) -- ___ Dan "Sneakers" Schein //// BERKS AMIGA BBS Sneakers Computing //// 80+ Megs of software & messages 2455 McKinley Ave. ___ //// 12/2400 Baud - 24 Hrs West Lawn, PA 19609 \\\\ //// 215/678-7691 \\\\//// {pyramid|rutgers|uunet}!cbmvax!heimat!sneakers
DAVID_LYNN_BRUMFIELD@cup.portal.com (03/14/90)
OK, You can stop wondering about the 3000 time table. They are going to show
the A3000 to the press sometime within the next 2 weeks. They are already show
it to developers.
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bread ready..... unhd (Jason W Nyberg) (03/28/90)
In article <27864@cup.portal.com> DAVID_LYNN_BRUMFIELD@cup.portal.com writes: >OK, You can stop wondering about the 3000 time table. They are going to show >the A3000 to the press sometime within the next 2 weeks. They are already show >it to developers. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >David L. Brumfield Here we go again..... (I SERIOUSLY hope you're right... i want one soooo bad (i think)) ---jason
seanc@pro-party.cts.com (Sean Cunningham) (03/30/90)
In-Reply-To: message from jwn712@uunet!unhd Hmmm, I wonder where this little didbit of info came from? It's kinda hard to get too excited...remember all the talk about 2 years ago about the "RANGER", the 3000, the 3500, etc., etc. But, I hope it's true... Sean //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// UUCP: ...!crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc | ARPA: !crash!pnet01!pro-party!seanc@nosc.mil | " I drank what? " INET: seanc@pro-party.cts.com | -Socrates | RealWorld: Sean Cunningham | Voice: (512) 994-1602 | | Call C.B.A.U.G. BBS (512) 883-8351 w/SkyPix | B^) VISION GRAPHICS B^) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (05/01/90)
In <12337@wpi.wpi.edu>, jdutka@wpi.wpi.edu (John Dutka) writes: >In article <11113@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax (Dave Haynie) writes: >>Yes, I know. Yes, they do, as long as they were correctly designed. Most >>of the cards tested run great. > >Now, all I need is for the ProRAM 2000 card by Progressive Peripherals to work >on the 3000, and I'll be happy. Any news on an upgrade offer from the 2000HD? >:) Works just fine. Bear in mind though, that fast SC RAMs on the motherboard will provide far superior performance. -larry -- NeXT. The hardware makes it a PC. The software makes it a workstation. The units shipped makes it a mainframe. -=stolen from Hazy=- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
murphy@newton.physics.purdue.edu (William J. Murphy) (05/01/90)
In article <153@next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: > >If Commodore were to provide the 3000 without a harddisk, too many people >would end up making the mistake of buying the machine without it, and then >getting one later, which would invalidate all the advantages listed above. > >Ali (Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com) Ali, Does this imply that NeXT blundered when selling their diskless NeXT? I seem to recall a fair number of postings in comp.sys.next asking how to enter the correct identifiers for such and such a drive. 8^) 8^) Actually, I think that a diskless 3000 wouldn't be all that bad considering the room available for expansion memory. I don't think I could stand the amiga with a single floppy and 1 Megabyte. I have 3MB and 2 floppies in a 2000. If C= sold such a machine, (diskless 3000) they should provide a program like what I've seen in the Supra adds. I believe it is called Supra Edit and is meant to allow the user to add a hard drive in a relatively painless manner. -- Bill Murphy | Zaphod, Vell he's just zis murphy@newton.physics.purdue.edu | guy you know. Amiga, it's not a religion, it's a lifestyle | Honk if you're Elvis!
dannie@coplex.UUCP (Dannie Gregoire) (05/02/90)
aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) writes: >I think it's wonderful that the 3000 comes with a harddisk; at today's >prices, given a powerful machine like the 3000, it'd be ridiculous for >Commodore not to throw in a disk in there (the disk probably costs them >under $250). >(ie, most people won't bother changing the factory partitioning of the disk); >and I bet this will make the lives of dealers and Commodore's tech support >people much easier... >If Commodore were to provide the 3000 without a harddisk, too many people >would end up making the mistake of buying the machine without it, and then >getting one later, which would invalidate all the advantages listed above. I disagree with your reasoning! First of all even if the drives cost them $250 (a 40Meg SCSI under $250 is pretty damn cheap), I doubt they would turn around be include it in the price for $250, $550 would be more like it. Secondly, quite a few people will eventually reformat the hard drive anyway. Especially those with a bridgeboard, who will need to partition part of the drive for IBM stuff. Secondly, anyone who purchases UNIX (due out soon!) will want to repartition it as well! Purchasing a 3000 WITHOUT a HD is not a mistake. It simply allows the user MORE freedom. More freedom to use an existing drive. More freedom to use a larger or more powerfull drive. And, more freedom to save money by purchasing the drive cheaper elsewhere, or waiting a month or two! A lot of people, like myself, just want a machine now, and will worry about storage when they have enough money in a month or two ;-) \\-------------------\\ \\ Dannie Gregoire \\ \\ (dannie@coplex) \\ \\-------------------\\
tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (HIM) (05/03/90)
> >************* > >Resp: 1 of 1 About: Re: A3000 ><> [D.C. Richardson] (*Masked*@ultb.isc.rit.edu) > > BUT! Why oh why did they use the SAME mouse?? Ugh Cramp Pain Aargh! > >Maybe they will offer a 'optional' 3 button optical mouse that we all >know and love!?! Actually , for all I like innovation, I detest optical mice. "Queen Elizabeth is really my mother", Says Carol Burnett. ********[ Xanadu Enterprises Inc. Amiga & Unix Software Development]******** * Kenneth J. Jamieson | "Far beyond these castle walls, where the distant * * uunet!tronsbox!tron1 | harbor meets the sky, there the battles raged * * All origional text | like hell, and every dove had lost it's will * * Copr 1990 by me. | to fly......." Styx - These Castle Walls * *_____________________/ \__________________________________________________* * NONE of the opinions represented here are endorsed by either Xanadu * * Xanadu Enterpises or it's clients, AT&T Bell Labs or others. * ****[ The Romantic Encounters BBS 201-759-8450(2400) / 201-759-8568(PEP)****
cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz) (05/03/90)
I just wanted to congratulate all those wondrous wizards who put together the new A3000. I'm sold. I'll be bying one as SOON as I see one in a store. I read the article in this month's BYTE and all I can say is "YOW!!!!" Chris ------------------------------+--------------------------- Chris Mauritz |Where there's a BEER, cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |there's a plan. (c)All rights reserved. | Send flames to /dev/null |Air Warrior is king! ------------------------------+---------------------------
sysop@tlvx.UUCP (SysOp) (05/03/90)
In article <2969@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, dcr3567@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.C. Richardson) writes: ... > BUT! Why oh why did they use the SAME mouse?? Ugh Cramp Pain Aargh! Hey, I *LIKE* the Amiga mouse! I like it more than some mice I used on various "PC clones". > > Maybe they will offer a 'optional' 3 button optical mouse that we all > know and love!?! You can buy one of these mail order. A friend of mine has one, and it seems nice. > > -Dan > (Gotta get more vocal...) Gotta read those mail-order ads! ;-) > -- > Daniel C. Richardson ...
poirier@dg-rtp.dg.com (Charles Poirier) (05/04/90)
In article <2969@ultb.isc.rit.edu> dcr3567@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.C. Richardson ) writes: > BUT! Why oh why did they use the SAME mouse?? Ugh Cramp Pain Aargh! >-Dan Perhaps they wanted to discourage people from writing "3000 only" software? The "one product fits all" aspect of Amiga-Amiga compatibility is one of its nice features. Another nice feature is that people who want their Amiga to be different, can make it different. Three buttons have always been supported by the hardware. Cheers, Charles Poirier poirier@dg-rtp.dg.com
daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (05/04/90)
In article <3625@newton.physics.purdue.edu> murphy@newton.physics.purdue.edu.UUCP (William J. Murphy) writes: >In article <153@next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: >>If Commodore were to provide the 3000 without a harddisk, too many people >>would end up making the mistake of buying the machine without it, .. >Ali, Does this imply that NeXT blundered when selling their diskless NeXT? >I seem to recall a fair number of postings in comp.sys.next asking how >to enter the correct identifiers for such and such a drive. 8^) 8^) If you're after a network computer, it might make some sense to sell a system with no disk, if it can easily boot from a network. I don't see any sense in an A3000 without hard disk or network; sure, you can work from floppies, I did that back in '85 on my A1000. I used to work off of tape in '79 with my Exidy Sorcerer, but I don't see any point in bringing the A3000 down to that level, either. >Bill Murphy | Zaphod, Vell he's just zis -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy "I have been given the freedom to do as I see fit" -REM
mwm@raven.pa.dec.com (Mike (Real Amigas have keyboard garages) Meyer) (05/04/90)
In article <153@next.com> aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) writes:
If Commodore were to provide the 3000 without a harddisk, too many people
would end up making the mistake of buying the machine without it, and then
getting one later, which would invalidate all the advantages listed above.
You're right - there are incentives for having some minimal
configuration. But that configuration is at the A500 level, not the
A3000 level. After all, that's where the bulk of the Amigas sold -
both currently and in the near future - are. That's the level most
people will be developing software for (how long do you think it'll be
before 10% of the A500 market is smaller than 100% of the A3000
market?).
Now, consider my position. I gave up on keeping old hardware around,
as it occupies space and isn't used. So I'd sell the machine I have if
I bought an A3000, after moving what hardware I was interested in into
the A3000. This would mean I'd yank the 40 Meg disk, put in my two
3.5" 100Meg disks, and have to sell the 40 Meg disk as well. And until
it was sold, I'd have hundreds of dollars sitting around not being
used. This is an expensive pain.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's got more small disks than they
need, and don't particularly want any more such. Requiring people to
pay for things that they don't want and won't use is a bad policy.
Making them wait while the specially ordered system shows up isn't.
And while we're at it, offering some other wierd configurations (a
floptical comes to mind) might be nice.
On the other hand, I'm sure that if I present a dealer with the option
of taking the 40Meg drive out, crediting me with the cost of an
internal 40Meg drive and charging me an hours labor, or not making a
sale at all - they'd make the sale.
<mike
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Cats can be callous and cats can be cruel mwm@relay.pa.dec.com
Cats will be cats, remember this words! decwrl!mwm
Cats will be cats and cats eat birds.gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin) (05/04/90)
In article <11291@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax (Dave Haynie) writes: >If you're after a network computer, it might make some sense to sell a >system with no disk, if it can easily boot from a network. I don't see >any sense in an A3000 without hard disk or network; sure, you can work Yeah, but with the advent of virtual memory, you would have to be nuts to sell a diskless system. Paging over ethernet really slows down a system. We have a couple of DecStation labs here that have been set up. Some of the paging is done via ethernet and when they start paging, you really know it. I agree that it makes the most sense to sell it with a drive. It really isn't that much more expensive and you get a great deal more flexibility. >-- >Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" > {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy > "I have been given the freedom to do as I see fit" -REM See ya, Ralph gilgalad@caen.engin.umich.edu gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu gilgalad@goliath.eecs.umich.edu Ralph_Seguin@ub.cc.umich.edu gilgalad@sparky.eecs.umich.edu USER6TUN@UMICHUB.BITNET Ralph Seguin | In order to get infinitely many monkeys to type 11010 Lighthouse Dr. #234 | something that actually makes sense, you need to Belleville, MI 48111 | have infinitely many monkey editors as well. (313) 697-1048
dcr3567@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.C. Richardson) (05/05/90)
>> BUT! Why oh why did they use the SAME mouse?? Ugh Cramp Pain Aargh! > >Perhaps they wanted to discourage people from writing "3000 only" software? >been supported by the hardware. I know that the three buttons have been supported, but that's not the problem. The main problem is that using the Amiga mouse is like using the chicklet keyboards on an atari 400. There is no 'feel' to the buttons (and besides this, the buttons DO wear out MUCH faster than MicroSwitches). Now, if they changed the buttons from the membrane-pain-makers and switched to tactile microswitches, then I'd be happy. And yes, I *WOULD* be happier if an optical, 3 button mouse was standard.. or at least an option. -Dan -- Daniel C. Richardson Rochester Institute Of Technology / Mechanical Engineering Dept. "Immaturity Is The Essence Of Humanity. Children Shall Be Our Saviors" -Red's Dream
dcr3567@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.C. Richardson) (05/05/90)
>> BUT! Why oh why did they use the SAME mouse?? Ugh Cramp Pain Aargh! >Hey, I *LIKE* the Amiga mouse! I like it more than some mice I used on >various "PC clones". >Gotta read those mail-order ads! ;-) ^^ I did.. that's why I have a Boing mouse to this day. Wouldn't part with it for the world. (A Gravis Mousestick might give it a run for the money, but I won't take the chance... :) -Dan -- Daniel C. Richardson Rochester Institute Of Technology / Mechanical Engineering Dept. "Immaturity Is The Essence Of Humanity. Children Shall Be Our Saviors" -Red's Dream
aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) (05/06/90)
In article <124@coplex.UUCP> dannie@coplex.UUCP (Dannie Gregoire) writes: >aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) writes: >>I think it's wonderful that the 3000 comes with a harddisk; at today's >>prices, given a powerful machine like the 3000, it'd be ridiculous for >>Commodore not to throw in a disk in there (the disk probably costs them >>under $250). >I disagree with your reasoning! First of all even if the drives cost them >$250 (a 40Meg SCSI under $250 is pretty damn cheap), I doubt they would >turn around be include it in the price for $250, $550 would be more like it. That's true, of course. But it's true of all the components in any computer; if you bought the floppy and the CPU & such all separately you'd probably be paying 2-4 times less than what Commodore is really charging you. But you don't mind that; you get a wonderful product that works out of the box. You wouldn't say the same thing you are saying about the hard disk about the CPU, for instance --- "I wonder if I can get the 3000 without the 030 & the 882 but with sockets instead; I already have the pair and I could just drop them in." I guess my point was that a hard disk should be considered as much a part of a professional computer as the floppy or the CPU. Otherwise there will always be cases where unsuspecting people will buy the machine without the HD and very soon run into trouble and end up thinking the machine is not powerful enough or end up paying more for a HD that they could've gotten cheaper if factory installed. And I imagine the number of such cases will outnumber of the number of people who know what they're doing and wish they could buy the machine without the HD. Ali (Ali Ozer@NeXT.com)
aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) (05/06/90)
In article <3625@newton.physics.purdue.edu> William J. Murphy writes: >Ali, Does this imply that NeXT blundered when selling their diskless NeXT? No, doesn't imply that at all. I was talking from my experiences with Amigas; once you've got 2M or more in there, the added value of a hard disk is lot more than the added value of getting an extra 4M. IMHO. Of course, a "diskless" NeXT actually does have a 40M drive in there... Ali
dale@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dale Luck - Amiga) (05/06/90)
In article <158@next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: >In article <3625@newton.physics.purdue.edu> William J. Murphy writes: >>Ali, Does this imply that NeXT blundered when selling their diskless NeXT? > >No, doesn't imply that at all. I was talking from my experiences with >Amigas; once you've got 2M or more in there, the added value of a hard disk >is lot more than the added value of getting an extra 4M. IMHO. > >Of course, a "diskless" NeXT actually does have a 40M drive in there... > >Ali From what I remember. The 40m disk on the Next is there for swappingl. This is a thing that all unix machines do to manage more tasks than they have available memory. No my Amiga under Amigados does not seem to need this swapping stuff. So a local harddisk as opposed to an ethernet interface is not so clearly beneficial if I have a choice and I have an NFS server available to loan me some space. In a network of abunch of Amiga's, they could share the same 'read only' standard wb drawers like system/utilities/c: etc. The added advantage of ethernet for interoperability is quite an extra benefit. File sharing between Amigas is pretty easy with nfs and and nfs server. You can share the printer on the unix box to if you have basic rsh capability on the Amiga. Which the current ethernet software does have. This message is not actually a response to this particular post. It is really just another viewpont on the 'builtin' harddisk discussion. I think the builtin scsi is great. But lowball machine should not have a harddisk. I know of some places (Lawrence Livermore Labs) to be specific that forbid harddisks from being attached to their Amigas. I think it was a security issue. The data they were playing with was not supposed to be taken off the file servers and stored on another medium. It could be accessed over a network (which is what they are doing) but it was not allowed to copy to local floppies or hard disk. Dale
dale@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dale Luck - Amiga) (05/06/90)
In article <157@next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: > >I guess my point was that a hard disk should be considered as much a part of >a professional computer as the floppy or the CPU. Otherwise there will always >be cases where unsuspecting people will buy the machine without the HD and >very soon run into trouble and end up thinking the machine is not powerful >enough or end up paying more for a HD that they could've gotten cheaper if >factory installed. And I imagine the number of such cases will outnumber of >the number of people who know what they're doing and wish they could buy the >machine without the HD. That is a job for the dealer to educate the consumer. Commodore (In my opinion) should not be limiting the configurations of machines that it sells to the customer. There are plenty of reasons to have a bare bones machine that comes only with a floppy drive. There are many other options for mass storage devices than the drives Commodore is forcing to be sold with the Computer. The fact that there is an external scsi port on the back of the A3000 would lead one to believe that Commodore intended people to use external scsi devices easily with the machine. > >Ali (Ali Ozer@NeXT.com) Dale Luck GfxBase
gt5784a@prism.gatech.EDU (Walter G. Reynolds (JJ)) (05/07/90)
In article <11391@cbmvax.commodore.com> dale@cbmvax (Dale Luck - Amiga) writes: >In article <157@next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: >> >That is a job for the dealer to educate the consumer. Commodore (In my opinion) >should not be limiting the configurations of machines that it sells to >the customer. There are plenty of reasons to have a bare bones machine that >comes only with a floppy drive. There are many other options for mass storage >Dale Luck >GfxBase Also, why have networking products when anything you buy is going to be a full-fledged machine in it's own right? I always thought that aside from sharing data among several computers, networks were supposed to SAVE the business money by not forcing companies to buy a hard drive for EVERY machine... I agree. Commodore should offer a machine that does not come with a hard drive.. they appear to be contradicting themselves... why have a network if you already have a hard drive? (actually, I know the answer to this, so no flames please.. you use a network so you can have an even bigger hard drive that everyone shares... but, in the case of a network, why have a hard drive at all? :) ) -- Disclaimer: None needed... my lawyer makes more money than yours. uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt5784a ARPA: gt5784a@prism.gatech.edu
rick@ameristar (Rick Spanbauer) (05/07/90)
In article <8988@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5784a@prism.gatech.EDU (Walter G. Reynolds (JJ)) writes: > Also, why have networking products when anything you buy is going to >be a full-fledged machine in it's own right? I always thought that >aside from sharing data among several computers, networks were >supposed to SAVE the business money by not forcing companies to >buy a hard drive for EVERY machine... I agree. Commodore should offer No, this is not always the case. People, at least in large Unix networks, are coming to find that it is false economy to trade in all your local disk for a network (eg paging/swapping can amount to 50%+ of traffic on larger networks) card. Networks are big wins in many situations, however - in educational networks where machines with local disk can be infected by viruses or there is a need to present a uniform environment, in multi-person development situations where there are several people operating on sources, in certain database operations, etc. The "saves money" argument is leftover marketspeak from the days of $15K SMD disk drives, IMHO. Also, in the Amiga market there are no network cards (to the best of my knowledge) that autoboot so there must always be at least a floppy on the networked machine. Ameristar did some prototyping of autoboot over ethernet (enough to see that the ideas were indeed feasible), but we never released it as a product. >uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt5784a >ARPA: gt5784a@prism.gatech.edu Rick Spanbauer Ameristar Technology
martin@cbmvax.commodore.com (Martin Hunt) (05/07/90)
In article <8988@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5784a@prism.gatech.EDU (Walter G. Reynolds (JJ)) writes: >In article <11391@cbmvax.commodore.com> dale@cbmvax (Dale Luck - Amiga) writes: >>In article <157@next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: >>> >>That is a job for the dealer to educate the consumer. Commodore (In my opinion) >>should not be limiting the configurations of machines that it sells to >>the customer. There are plenty of reasons to have a bare bones machine that >>comes only with a floppy drive. There are many other options for mass storage >>Dale Luck >>GfxBase > Also, why have networking products when anything you buy is going to >be a full-fledged machine in it's own right? I always thought that >aside from sharing data among several computers, networks were >supposed to SAVE the business money by not forcing companies to >buy a hard drive for EVERY machine... I agree. Commodore should offer >a machine that does not come with a hard drive.. they appear to be >contradicting themselves... why have a network if you already >have a hard drive? (actually, I know the answer to this, so no flames >please.. you use a network so you can have an even bigger hard drive >that everyone shares... but, in the case of a network, why have a hard >drive at all? :) ) > There are many reasons for having a network other than sharing a hard drive. For example, there is electronic mail, printer sharing, distributed processing, remote access to many machines, etc. Besides, a 40 meg drive is cheap compared to an ethernet card with NFS software. Most people would probably like a fast local drive to keep private files and a very large server with public files. However, I do agree that a network machine, with an ethernet card and no disk drive would be a good idea. It would make a great X terminal. -- Martin Hunt martin@cbmvax.commodore.com Commodore-Amiga Engineering {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!martin
tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (HIM) (05/07/90)
> >Resp: 26 of 30 About: Re: A3000 ><> [Ali Ozer] (*Masked*@next.com) > >I guess my point was that a hard disk should be considered as much a part of >a professional computer as the floppy or the CPU. Otherwise there will always >be cases where unsuspecting people will buy the machine without the HD and >very soon run into trouble and end up thinking the machine is not powerful >enough or end up paying more for a HD that they could've gotten cheaper if >factory installed. And I imagine the number of such cases will outnumber of >the number of people who know what they're doing and wish they could buy the Ok, so we should only have Amiga 3000's marketed with *meg ram and the Multi- Sync Monitor so that NO one will have any trouble ?? By Listening To Records Backwards, Astrologers Determine: "Lady Godiva Invent ed Air Conditioning". ********[ Xanadu Enterprises Inc. Amiga & Unix Software Development]******** * Kenneth J. Jamieson | "Far beyond these castle walls, where the distant * * uunet!tronsbox!tron1 | harbor meets the sky, there the battles raged * * All origional text | like hell, and every dove had lost it's will * * Copr 1990 by me. | to fly......." Styx - These Castle Walls * *_____________________/ \__________________________________________________* * NONE of the opinions represented here are endorsed by either Xanadu * * Xanadu Enterpises or it's clients, AT&T Bell Labs or others. * ****[ The Romantic Encounters BBS 201-759-8450(2400) / 201-759-8568(PEP)****
FelineGrace@cup.portal.com (Dana B Bourgeois) (05/09/90)
Y'know all this fuss about an A3000 coming with a disk or not... I bet it is not that big a deal. Look around and you can probably find a dealer who will take out the hard drive and credit you with, Oh, say... $300. Then you can install the drive of your choice and he can sell the drive to somebody else at a reasonable price with enough to cover his costs. 'Course we are fussing over a machine that is not even shipping yet and won't be available for months. The price list is promised this friday. Maybe the diskless machine is 'in there'. Dana Bourgeois @ cup.portal.com
n350bq@tamuts.tamu.edu (Duane Fields) (08/30/90)
I am having trouble getting Moria 5.2 to work on the 3000. The program requires a stack of 40000. When I disable cache and burst, it kind of works, will load up, unless I set the stack, which causes it to crash. Unfortunately the game crashes shortly if you don't have a 40k stack, any ideas? Duane Fields
rblewitt@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) (10/20/90)
Well, after looking at the new macs, I decided to go out today and
buy one - one Amiga 3000 that is :) Now Commodore, please don't go
out and make this obsolete before I actually get it, by announcing
the A4000ux, for the same price as mine :)
Rick Blewitt
rblewitt@ucsd.edu
In conjunction with the new low cost Macs, Apple has announced a low
cost version of System 7, called System 7-11 ;)sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) (10/26/90)
rblewitt@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) writes: > Well, after looking at the new macs, I decided to go out today and >buy one - one Amiga 3000 that is :) Now Commodore, please don't go >out and make this obsolete before I actually get it, by announcing >the A4000ux, for the same price as mine :) Don't worry, that won't happen until *I* buy an amiga 3000. I have the dubious honor (IMHO) causing the demise of the Atari 400, then the 800XL, then the Amiga 1000. Every time I buy a computer, it seems like it gets obsoleted within 6 months to a year. I haven't been able to afford a 2000 or a 3000 yet, or they would be obsolete also. But the good news is that they were all obsoleted by something better :-) [If you all really want an Amiga 4000 to appear on the market, get together and buy me an Amiga 3500 when it comes out. I can almost gaurantee that the 4000 will be out in 6 months after that! :-) ] -- John Sparks |D.I.S.K. Public Access Unix System| Multi-User Games, Email sparks@corpane.UUCP |PH: (502) 968-DISK 24Hrs/2400BPS | Usenet, Chatting, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|7 line Multi-User system. | Downloads & more. A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of----Ogden Nash
brian@sky.COM (Brian Pelletier) (10/29/90)
In article <3418@corpane.UUCP> sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) writes: >rblewitt@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) writes: > > >> Well, after looking at the new macs, I decided to go out today and >>buy one - one Amiga 3000 that is :) Now Commodore, please don't go >>out and make this obsolete before I actually get it, by announcing >>the A4000ux, for the same price as mine :) > >Don't worry, that won't happen until *I* buy an amiga 3000. I have the >dubious honor (IMHO) causing the demise of the Atari 400, then the >800XL, then the Amiga 1000. Every time I buy a computer, it seems like >it gets obsoleted within 6 months to a year. > Gee, I thought *I* was the one causing all these computers to become obsolete! I had the same experiences with the Atari computers, and also with the ill-fated PCJr. Hopefully the expandibility I paid extra for in the 2000HD will keep me at least *fairly* current, assuming I buy a 680X0 expansion card for it..... On an unrelated note - don't make the mistake of confusing the Intel I860 with the Intel 80X86 line. The 860 is a real screamer, but probably not a candidate for a personal computer anytime soon because of cost. An 860 based graphics board for Amy would be an interesting project... +=========================================================================+ | Brian Pelletier Disclaimer: These are MY opinions, not SKY's.| | Sky Computer | | UUCP - brian@sky.com (work) pelletier@grove.UUCP (home) | +=========================================================================+
ken@dali.gatech.edu (Ken Seefried iii) (10/30/90)
In article <741@sky.COM> brian@sky.COM (Brian Pelletier) writes: >In article <3418@corpane.UUCP> sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) writes: >>rblewitt@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) writes: >>> Well, after looking at the new macs, I decided to go out today and >>>buy one - one Amiga 3000 that is :) Now Commodore, please don't go >>>out and make this obsolete before I actually get it, by announcing >>>the A4000ux, for the same price as mine :) >> Every time I buy a computer, it seems like >>it gets obsoleted within 6 months to a year. >Gee, I thought *I* was the one causing all these computers to become >obsolete! Anyone who purchases a computer without the expectation that something better will be out in 6-12 months is fooling themself; that goes for everything from PCs to Crays. >On an unrelated note - don't make the mistake of confusing the Intel I860 >with the Intel 80X86 line. The 860 is a real screamer, but probably not >a candidate for a personal computer anytime soon because of cost. An 860 >based graphics board for Amy would be an interesting project... The problem with the i860 is that it is terribly hard to get anywhere near max performance out of it. Compiler technology has a ways to go before the i860 really screams... -- ken seefried iii "A snear, a snarl, a whip that ken@dali.gatech.edu stings...these are a few of my favorite things..."
kellyd@csufres.csufresno.edu (Kelly Dodge) (10/30/90)
Boy, you guys are lucky. By the time I scrape up enough money to get any- thing it is obsolete. I was using Timex-Sinclair's (shudder) when the A1000 came out... _________________________________________________________________________ If I agree with CSUF, I take back whatever I said.....
daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) (11/08/90)
In article <3418@corpane.UUCP> sparks@corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) writes: >rblewitt@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) writes: >[If you all really want an Amiga 4000 to appear on the market, get together >and buy me an Amiga 3500 when it comes out. I can almost gaurantee that the >4000 will be out in 6 months after that! :-) ] It is, naturally, a fact of the business that most companies introduce a new system every 1.5-3 years or so. For instance, the Amiga line: A1000 1985 A2000 1987 [A2500/20] 1988 [A2500/30] 1989 A3000 1990 So it's real likely, based on history, that there will be a new Amiga system or two introduced in the next year or two. Probably a new Mac, a new IBM, a new Compaq, a new Tandy, etc. as well. Not that any new introduction makes the old machine obselete, but obviously, you had better run out and get that A3000 very soon, so you can have it for a year or so before something better comes along :-). >John Sparks |D.I.S.K. Public Access Unix System| Multi-User Games, Email -- Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy Standing on the shoulders of giants leaves me cold -REM
jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) (11/08/90)
In article <15689@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >before something better comes along :-). While I have you here as a captive audience, are you planning on writing a version of DiskSalv that recognizes the Disk Validator in 2.0? Whenever I run DiskSalv V1.42, I get the message: "(No formatting, cannot find disk validator)" Thanks for any help... -- | husc6!m2c!wpi!jdutka | "Hey, baby - wanna do some HEAT TRANSFER? | | jdutka@wpi.wpi.edu | Heh, heh, heh!" | | John Dutka, Jr. | -Mechanical Engineers On The Prowl | | jdutka%wpi.wpi.edu%mitvma.bitnet __________________________________________| -- | husc6!m2c!wpi!jdutka | "Hey, baby - wanna do some HEAT TRANSFER? | | jdutka@wpi.wpi.edu | Heh, heh, heh!" | | John Dutka, Jr. | -Mechanical Engineers On The Prowl |