91_bickingd@GAR.UNION.EDU ("Bicking, David") (11/22/90)
>Subject: Re: AmigaOS/UNIX - A Suggestion >Message-ID: <7100@sugar.hackercorp.com> >Date: 21 Nov 90 12:46:23 GMT >> I think one of the main advantages of Amiga UNIX is that it's Standard UNIX. >> You have a zillion '386 machines out there, and if they're not running one >> of the ugly MS operating systems, they're running System V, probably 3.x but >> soon moving to 4.0. >And you think that applications developers are going to keep an A3000UX around >to compile a copy of their code on for the relatively few 68000 ABI machines >out there? If they have a 68000 based machine it'll probably be a Sun: and >SunOS is BSD derived: not System V. In the workstation world BSD is the >standard. (I personally think BSD sucks, but facts are facts) Hm. I was under the impression that BSD was going to be a subset of UNIX V.4. Am I mistaken here? >Speaking of 2.0, I really really dislike the new DisplayBeep (it now flashes >Color 0 into Color 1 instead of inverting the palette), because it makes all >my text windows turn black. My wife finds it particularly distracting. Please >change it back before you burn ROMs. Please. Even better: (if it hasn't already been done) Why not make the beep be whatever sound the end-user wants? I have a pd program calld Playbeep, and it allows me to use any IFF sound file as a beep (yes, even long songs, but I'm not insane). The only problem is that it doesn't handle stereo sounds and it probably won't work in WB 2.0. Why not supply the OPTION of designating some IFF sound as a beep? It's a little thing, but I think it is very important (details are more important than one might think) >Peter da Silva. `-_-' ><peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=- Dave Bicking Single Tasking????? Just say NO!!!! Union College Box 152 91_bickingd@union.bitnet // Schenectady, NY 12308 91_bickingd@gar.union.edu \X/ Amiga -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
cleland@sdbio2.ucsd.edu (Thomas Cleland) (11/24/90)
In article <9011220147.AA17409@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> 91_bickingd@GAR.UNION.EDU ("Bicking, David") writes: >>Subject: Re: AmigaOS/UNIX - A Suggestion >>Message-ID: <7100@sugar.hackercorp.com> >>Date: 21 Nov 90 12:46:23 GMT > >>> I think one of the main advantages of Amiga UNIX is that it's Standard UNIX. >>> You have a zillion '386 machines out there, and if they're not running one >>> of the ugly MS operating systems, they're running System V, probably 3.x but >>> soon moving to 4.0. > >>And you think that applications developers are going to keep an A3000UX around >>to compile a copy of their code on for the relatively few 68000 ABI machines >>out there? If they have a 68000 based machine it'll probably be a Sun: and >>SunOS is BSD derived: not System V. In the workstation world BSD is the >>standard. (I personally think BSD sucks, but facts are facts) > > Hm. I was under the impression that BSD was going to be a subset of >UNIX V.4. Am I mistaken here? > This is correct. UNIX System V Release 4 constitutes a unification of AT&T System V, BSD, XENIX, and SunOS. There are a few files in a separate library for backwards compatibility with aspects of BSD which have been revised too dramatically to be completely compatible, but I don't believe that these are major portions of code. "The workstation world" presumably will operate off of SVR4 and its GUI, Open Look, in lieu of SunView and various custom X implementations (X is the basis of Open Look). Mainstream UNIX applications in a year or two will be written for this standard and will run unmodified on Sun4 SPARCs, Amiga 3x00UXs, and whatever other workstations embrace the standard. 68030 and 68040 chips being what they are, there likely won't be much of a programmers preference between a Sun and an Amiga UX with the ULowell board and all that, as far as UNIX programming. The losers look to be those vendors hopping on the rival OSF/Motif bandwagon (DEC, HP, IBM) and Apple, which doesn't seem to be doing anything to standardize. The OSF folks are big enough to take care of themselves, but notably IBM is hedging its bets--note that XENIX is merging into SVR4. I don't know what NeXT is doing, either. Commodore has embraced a standard in their Unix, probably the most pervasive standard which the computer world has seen in a long time. Amiga UNIX users will not have to wait for ports. Which is how it should be. Thom
jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel MOYNE) (11/27/90)
In article <9011220147.AA17409@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> 91_bickingd@GAR.UNION.EDU ("Bicking, David") writes: > >Speaking of 2.0, I really really dislike the new DisplayBeep (it now flashes > >Color 0 into Color 1 instead of inverting the palette), because it makes all > >my text windows turn black. My wife finds it particularly distracting. Please > >change it back before you burn ROMs. Please. > > Even better: (if it hasn't already been done) Why not make the beep be > whatever sound the end-user wants? I have a pd program calld Playbeep, and it > allows me to use any IFF sound file as a beep (yes, even long songs, but I'm > not insane). The only problem is that it doesn't handle stereo sounds and it > probably won't work in WB 2.0. Why not supply the OPTION of designating some > IFF sound as a beep? It's a little thing, but I think it is very important > (details are more important than one might think) > I couldn't agree more ... or what about just a small sound of a few bytes too ? (simple beep). The Amiga is suposed to have good sound possibilites, but it's the only computer who doesn't make any sound when running (any sound from the speaker, exept for that, A500 have their floppies, and A2000 have their fans (-:). Even the ST is able to do a small 'ping' as a beep. That wouldn't be a big change, you could even take ideas from the Macintosh. What about being able to choose a IFF sound from the preferences ? (and/or have a couple of pre-defined sounds like a 'boing!' for example). And being able to select the sound level, and if you select a sound level of 0, heres goes the old flash. You know the story.... JNM -- These are my own ideas (not LBL's) " Just make it!", BO in 'BO knows Unix'