MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (11/15/90)
There are nasty rumors flying around... one, will new A500's be shipped with 2.0 when it is released? A rumor stated that A500's will continue to be shipped with 1.3 Kickstart in order to keep it compatible with the video games (?!!) Two, when 2.0 is released, what is the likely cost of the upgrade? As I recall 1.2 -> 1.3 was something like $40, and that included new ROM chips as well as the new Workbench. Now someone has posted saying that the 1.3 -> 2.0 upgrade will cost "a couple hundred dollars." This is almost as bad as no upgrade at all; most A500 owners, and many A2000 owners, would probably be reluctant to pay such an exorbitant price. Please tell me it's just a rumor, and nothing more... /Mark "Remixed for Common Household Appliances" Sachs - MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu\ |DISCLAIMER? You've GOT to be kidding, right? || // AMIGA || | | "Haven't they heard we won the war? || \X/ Power || | \== "What do they keep on fighting for?" -- B. Joel, LENINGRAD =============/
ken@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ken Farinsky - CATS) (11/16/90)
In article <90318.233614MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >There are nasty rumors flying around... one, will new A500's be shipped >with 2.0 when it is released? A rumor stated that A500's will continue >to be shipped with 1.3... >...Two, when 2.0 is released, what is the likely cost of the upgrade?... > >/Mark "Remixed for Common Household Appliances" Sachs - MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu\ Please ignore the rumors. There is currently no information on the availability or cost of 2.0 upgrades for any machine except the A3000. -- -- Ken Farinsky - CATS - (215) 431-9421 - Commodore Business Machines uucp: ken@cbmvax.commodore.com or ...{uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!ken bix: kfarinsky
rxtgep@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Glen Pill) (11/20/90)
From article <90318.233614MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, by MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu: > There are nasty rumors flying around... one, will new A500's be shipped > with 2.0 when it is released? A rumor stated that A500's will continue > to be shipped with 1.3 Kickstart in order to keep it compatible with > the video games (?!!) Two, when 2.0 is released, what is the likely > cost of the upgrade? As I recall 1.2 -> 1.3 was something like $40, > and that included new ROM chips as well as the new Workbench. Now > someone has posted saying that the 1.3 -> 2.0 upgrade will cost > "a couple hundred dollars." This is almost as bad as no upgrade at > all; most A500 owners, and many A2000 owners, would probably be > reluctant to pay such an exorbitant price. Please tell me it's just > a rumor, and nothing more... > Even if the new machines will be shipped with KS 2.0 & WB 2.0 it'll be a while before anyone buying a new machine gets one because the dealers will want to get rid of their old KS 1.3 machines. I know it took months before dealers would sell 1.3 machines. -- Glen Pill ACSNet: rxtgep@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au RMIT Computer Centre Snail : 124 LaTrobe St, Melb. Oz. 3000. Phone : +613 660 2538
252u3130@fergvax.unl.edu (Phil Dietz) (11/21/90)
>From article <90318.233614MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, by MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu: >> There are nasty rumors flying around... one, will new A500's be shipped >> with 2.0 when it is released? A rumor stated that A500's will continue >> to be shipped with 1.3 Kickstart in order to keep it compatible with >> the video games (?!!) Two, when 2.0 is released, what is the likely >> cost of the upgrade? As I recall 1.2 -> 1.3 was something like $40, >> and that included new ROM chips as well as the new Workbench. Now >> someone has posted saying that the 1.3 -> 2.0 upgrade will cost >> "a couple hundred dollars." This is almost as bad as no upgrade at >> all; most A500 owners, and many A2000 owners, would probably be >> reluctant to pay such an exorbitant price. Please tell me it's just >> a rumor, and nothing more... >> > >Even if the new machines will be shipped with KS 2.0 & WB 2.0 it'll be a while >before anyone buying a new machine gets one because the dealers will want to >get rid of their old KS 1.3 machines. I know it took months before dealers >would sell 1.3 machines. > Commodore had BEST find an economical way to keep the A500's in business! If they should make it unfit to upgrade to 2.0 standards ALOT of people will be mad! I estimate that over HALF of the Amigas sold are A500's (33% a2000's, 15% a1000's, and 2% a3000/mutant machines). Browsing through a CAT price list I found that the BlitterChip (89.00) and the new Denise (44.95) would tally to 135, plus the newkickstart (~$40) and software (~$20), plus the fact that the A500's need a special wiring to rig up 1meg chip ram(labor $30)..the total comes to $225.... They HAVE to offer a DEAL package. Like to whole kit-and-kabboddle for 125 or something..... (Or should I be worried that they will do nothing.....they've made WB2.0 to run under ks1.2 and other PRIMITIVE materials....ugggggh what will they do!??) Phil Dietz <<<=================--------- Cheap Ad ---------===================<<< Phil Dietz SWL Lincoln 565 MEGS! 2 lines 252u3130@fergvax.unl.edu (402)421-1963 AMIGA, IBM, MAC, GIFS IBM'ers and Mac'ers are shopping for a life. Amiga the best!
ken@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ken Farinsky - CATS) (11/21/90)
In article <1990Nov20.171849.13232@hoss.unl.edu> 252u3130@fergvax.unl.edu (Phil Dietz) writes: >>From article <90318.233614MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, by MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu: >>> There are nasty rumors flying around... one, will new A500's be shipped >>> with 2.0...Two, when 2.0 is released, what...cost of the upgrade?... Please don't speculate about these issues. When a decision is made, it will be released through the appropriate channels. The rumors only hurt the Amiga market. Please be patient. -- -- Ken Farinsky - CATS - (215) 431-9421 - Commodore Business Machines uucp: ken@cbmvax.commodore.com or ...{uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!ken bix: kfarinsky
msiskin@us.cc.umich.edu (Marc Siskin) (11/21/90)
In article <15991@cbmvax.commodore.com> ken@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ken Farinsky - CATS) writes: >In article <1990Nov20.171849.13232@hoss.unl.edu> 252u3130@fergvax.unl.edu (Phil Dietz) writes: >>>From article <90318.233614MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, by MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu: >>>> There are nasty rumors flying around... > >Please don't speculate about these issues. When a decision is made, >it will be released through the appropriate channels. The rumors >only hurt the Amiga market. Please be patient. >-- >-- >Ken Farinsky - CATS - (215) 431-9421 - Commodore Business Machines Ken, I know this isn't CATS' responsibility but it would help us users to be patient if Marketing (who used to post items on the net) would post the announcements that have been made. I am sure you would appreciate it if OFFICIAL COMMODORE (e.g. Marketing) eased some of your burden with us users by posting releases. I know they did it on C'Serve. Why not here? You and all the other CATS poeple here have done a great job helping us learn more about our machine. You don't need the extra burden of doing Marketing's job too. They have Net Access see if you can convince them to use it. :-) Thanks for all your work and time spent on-line! Marc Siskin Senior Media Designer Language Lab, University of Michigan
sck@arnor.uucp (11/21/90)
In article <1990Nov20.171849.13232@hoss.unl.edu>, 252u3130@fergvax.unl.edu (Phil Dietz) writes: |> >From article <90318.233614MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, by MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu: Rumors, are just that. Rumors. What and see what happens. |> >> |> > |> >Even if the new machines will be shipped with KS 2.0 & WB 2.0 it'll be a while |> >before anyone buying a new machine gets one because the dealers will want to |> >get rid of their old KS 1.3 machines. I know it took months before dealers |> >would sell 1.3 machines. |> > Name the dealer. My dealer, Software Link (White Plains, NY) was selling 1.3 machines the moment he got them. He also went back and retro-fitted all his existing stock. |> |> [..] Browsing through a CAT price list I found that the BlitterChip (89.00) |> and the new Denise (44.95) would tally to 135, plus the newkickstart |> (~$40) and software (~$20), plus the fact that the A500's need a special |> wiring to rig up 1meg chip ram(labor $30)..the total comes to $225.... ^^^^ The A500 1 Meg CHIP modification will void your warranty, as of today. This is because some A500 it works others it doesn't. Also make sure you have some FAST memory available otherwise you'll get in trouble when something wants to put it's buffers into FAST memory. (ala Hard Drives.) |> |> They HAVE to offer a DEAL package. Like to whole kit-and-kabboddle for |> 125 or something..... Yeah, right. That means the dealer is paying around $55-$60 for the parts. I don't think Commodore can sell them at that level and still turn a profit. Which is why they make the Amiga, they are not just doing it because it's a great machine. |> |> <<<=================--------- Cheap Ad ---------===================<<< |> Phil Dietz SWL Lincoln 565 MEGS! 2 lines |> 252u3130@fergvax.unl.edu (402)421-1963 AMIGA, IBM, MAC, GIFS |> IBM'ers and Mac'ers are shopping for a life. Amiga the best! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott C. Kennedy (sck@shed.watson.ibm.com) | (QP06 @ PACE.bitnet.com) High Performance Computing Environment | Computer Science Dept. I.B.M. Thomas J. Watson Research Facility | Pace University ------------------------------------------------------------------------
UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) (11/22/90)
>Please don't speculate about these issues. When a decision is made, >it will be released through the appropriate channels. The rumors >only hurt the Amiga market. Please be patient. Maybe so. Still, I've been really surprised with just how patient the netfolk have been. Enough 3000's have been shipped now that people with other models should have been experimenting like mad to get various parts of WB 2.0 to run on them. Still, there seems to have been very little activity like this... lee
BAXTER_A@wehi.dn.mu.oz (11/23/90)
In article <90325.114242UH2@psuvm.psu.edu>, UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) writes: >>Please don't speculate about these issues. When a decision is made, >>it will be released through the appropriate channels. The rumors >>only hurt the Amiga market. Please be patient. > > > Maybe so. Still, I've been really surprised with just how patient the > netfolk have been. Enough 3000's have been shipped now that people > with other models should have been experimenting like mad to get > various parts of WB 2.0 to run on them. Still, there seems > to have been very little activity like this... > > lee Lots of activity. Just not much blabbing. Regards Alan
jap@convex.cl.msu.edu (Joe Porkka) (11/24/90)
UH2@psuvm.psu.edu (Lee Sailer) writes:
.>Maybe so. Still, I've been really surprised with just how patient the
.>netfolk have been. Enough 3000's have been shipped now that people
.>with other models should have been experimenting like mad to get
.>various parts of WB 2.0 to run on them. Still, there seems
.>to have been very little activity like this...
Yes - but wouldn't that be piracy ??
If I were to do that I would'nt blab about it on the net.es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (11/27/90)
> The A500 1 Meg CHIP modification will void your warranty, as of >today. This is because some A500 it works others it doesn't. Also >make sure you have some FAST memory available otherwise you'll >get in trouble when something wants to put it's buffers into FAST >memory. (ala Hard Drives.) Disk drives, and I would guess (?) hard drives, place their buffers exclusively in chip ram, not fast ram. There are some stupid programs which require fastram, but don't forget that 512K A500s have none and work just fine. -- Ethan Woody Allen on Los Angeles: "I mean, who would want to live in a place where the only cultural advantage is that you can turn right on a red light?"