ricko@well.UUCP (Richard J Otter) (09/15/87)
Has anyone heard of the symbolic mathematics program called Maple ? Apparently, its being distributed by the University of Waterloo and is available for the Amiga. Is it free like kermit or high priced like Math CAD ? It sounds like what I've been waiting for !
grwalter@watmath.UUCP (09/16/87)
In article <3952@well.UUCP> ricko@well.UUCP (Richard J Otter) writes: > >Has anyone heard of the symbolic mathematics program called Maple ? Apparently, >its being distributed by the University of Waterloo and is available >for the Amiga. Is it free like kermit or high priced like Math CAD ? >It sounds like what I've been waiting for ! There is a version available for the AMIGA. Unless I am mistaken it costs $590 in Canadian dollars. There is a 50% discount for accredited educational institutions. A short description of maple is as follows : Maple has the ability to algebraically manipulate unbounded integers, exact rational numbers, real numbers with arbitrary precision, symbolic formulae, polynomials, sets, lists, and equations. It can solve systems of equations, differentiate formulae, and integrate formulae. For more information (ie. minimum memory configuration, etc) send email to maple@watmath.UUCP maple%watmath@waterloo.CSNET maple@watdcs.BITNET I'm not associated with the maple group here, nor do I have maple on my AMIGA. I just use maple every now and then whilst doing assignments for courses and I think it's neat. fred
rico@oscvax.UUCP (09/17/87)
In article <3952@well.UUCP> ricko@well.UUCP (Richard J Otter) writes: > >Has anyone heard of the symbolic mathematics program called Maple ? Apparently, >its being distributed by the University of Waterloo and is available >for the Amiga. Is it free like kermit or high priced like Math CAD ? >It sounds like what I've been waiting for ! I've sure have heard of it, I just finished (about a month ago) porting Maple 4.0 to the Amiga. Maple is a product of the Symbolic Computation Group at The University of Waterloo (of which I am a student). For those who don't know about Maple or other such languages (e.g. MACSYMA, REDUCE, etc.) Maple is capable of working with arbitrary length integers, and performing exact rational arithmetic. In addition to this, Maple can work with "symbols" to perform operations on algebraic expressions for instance you could type: # differentiate x squared with respect to x >diff(x^2,x); 2 x # integrate the previous result wrt x >int(",x); 2 x # compute a big number (720 factorial) >720!; < you get lotsa output > I could post a sample session if there is interest. Anyways, Amiga Maple comes on 5 disks 1 -- executables 3 -- libraries 1 -- help files You can get (for the cost of the media) 5 more disks 3 -- library sources 2 -- Maple tests + test results It is an EXTENSIVE (can you say BIG!) expandable system. Most of Maple is written in Maple, it is this portion that you get in the library sources. You don't get the sources to the kernel. You need at least 1.5 megabytes of total memory if you want to do meaningful computations with Maple. You don't need a hard disk drive (I *ported* it without using one) but it does make your life easier. If you don't have a hard disk drive then 2 floppys are a MUST. It's not protected so you can make backups to your hearts delight. Needless to say if you install it on your hard drive it will take up a wholesome amount of space (you have to copy the 5 basic disks to the drive, plus the sources if you want to modify the libraries as well as doing your own programming). I beleive that Fred Walter had the prices right ($580, 1/2 off for educationals sales) but I'm not sure. I try to remain ignorant of these things. Feel free to mail me questions about the Amiga version, if you have questions about Maple in general you might be better off sending them to: maple@watmath.waterloo.edu If you have very specific questions like "how does the difforms package handle polynomials whose degree is an unknown" I'll just shrug and pass them along to someone who knows better... -Rico rico@oscvax DISCLAIMER: The Ontario Science Centre has nothing to do with Maple or my work with Maple, or this article, or any other article, or the colour of my shoes, or etc. Leave them alone. -- [NSA food: terrorist, cryptography, DES, drugs, CIA, secret, decode] [CSIS food: supermailbox, tuna, fiberglass coffins, Mirabel, microfiche] [Cat food: Nine Lives, Cat Chow, Meow Mix, Crave]
mwh_adev@jhunix.UUCP (JHU UNIX Development Group) (09/20/87)
I would have thought that Maple was too big for an Amiga (it simply *eats* resources, both CPU and memory, on JHU's VAX-8600. But I, too, would *love* to hear about an Amiga version! Jon Kay
rmariani@watmum.UUCP (09/20/87)
In article <5281@jhunix.UUCP> mwh_adev@jhunix.UUCP (JHU UNIX Development Group) writes: >I would have thought that Maple was too big for an Amiga (it simply *eats* >resources, both CPU and memory, on JHU's VAX-8600. But I, too, would >*love* to hear about an Amiga version! > > Jon Kay Nope it's not too big (if you have some extra memory). I've been using it for many weeks now. I imagine that you can't do computations that are quite as big as you could on an 8600, but for the most part, all that happens is that Maple ends up doing more garbage collections than it would need to on a '785 or '8600. Speedwise, Amiga Maple is about 1/4 the speed of a '785 (1/8th the speed of an 8600 I guess). If you need more speed, I imagine that it would run fine on a Turbo Amiga... say there's an idea! Now where am I going to get the $$ for a 68020 board :-( PS. Maple also runs on the Mac Plus under MPW. -Rico (visiting Waterloo this weekend)
jpff@draken.nada.kth.se (John Fitch) (09/21/87)
You might like to check out REDUCE as well. Should run with little problem and cost is similar to Maple; REDUCE has been around for longer. ==John ffitch I am connected to the REDUCE community
paolucci@snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) (09/22/88)
Does anybody know if Maple is available on the Amiga. If so could you give me the source, price, and any pertaining comments as to the Amiga implementation. Thanks. -- -+= SAM =+- "the best things in life are free" ARPA: paolucci@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov
kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) (09/24/88)
In article <217@snll-arpagw.UUCP> paolucci@snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) writes: > >Does anybody know if Maple is available on the Amiga. If so could >you give me the source, price, and any pertaining comments as to >the Amiga implementation. Thanks. >-- > -+= SAM =+- > ARPA: paolucci@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov This question comes up with some frequency. Perhaps it (and its answer) should be added to the beginner's/omnibus posting. I can't supply many details, but you can get answers on pricing and availability by calling: WATCOM Products @ (519)886-3700 Technical questions should be addressed to: maple@watmath.uucp maple@watmath.waterloo.edu maple@watmath.uwaterloo.ca
laird@violet.berkeley.edu (09/25/88)
(A response to question on the availability of the Maple computer algebra system for the Amiga) In article <8658@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes: >... >...I can't supply many details, but you can get answers on pricing and >availability by calling: > > WATCOM Products @ (519)886-3700 >... Maple (version 4.2) distribution for the Amiga is not being handled by WATCOM Products, but by: Symbolic Computation Group The Department of Computer Science The University of Waterloo Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 (519)888-4474 (WATCOM Products handles Maple distribution for larger computer systems.) This latest version of Maple for the Amiga requires at least 1Mb RAM and ~10Mb free space on hard disk. There are substantial discounts for educational and research institutions.
jea@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Joanne Albano) (02/02/90)
Can anyone tell me if about Maples plotting capabilities? How nice are the graphics? Can it take an external file and plot it? Joanne Albano, Center for Visual Science (716) 275-3055 Room 274 Meliora Hall, Univ. of Rochester, Rochester NY 14627 INTERNET: jea@cvs.rochester.edu or ur-cvsvax!jea@cvs.rochester.edu
jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (02/05/90)
Can Maple do everything that Mathematica can with the exception of Mathematica's graphing capabilities? I would just like some more information about Maple in more detail that you gave - sounds like an interesting package. Where can Maple be obtained from? James
kpicott@sapporo%alias.UUCP (Kevin Picott) (05/03/90)
Yes MAPLE does exist on the Amiga, but a word of warning: pricing is set at $475 (CDN), so unless you're into some serious equation-crunching you might want to think twice. (Prices for bigger computers run into K's of dollars.) -- Socrates --
elessar@pawl.rpi.edu (Kenneth E. Lareau) (06/30/90)
Well, after the glorious success with the Common Lisp question, I have another that's been on my mind, though I'm certain this can be answered in the positive. I'm looking to purchase Maple v4.2 or v4.3 (v4.3 pre- ferrably) for my Amiga...I've tried to send a message to Waterloo, the university that makes the program, but can't seem to be able to get a message through. If anyone could give me specifics, or a working e-mail address, I'd be much appreciated. Ken Lareau elessar@pawl.rpi.edu
farhi@athena.mit.edu (Bill Hoston) (09/23/90)
Sorry if this has been seen. I have had trouble posting it. Every now and then someone requests information or a review of Maple, a symbolic manipulation package that is available for the Amiga. Despite all my best intentions to write a review of some kind, I have yet to do so. For those who would like information on the package, look at the September issue of the Notices of the American Mathematical Society. On page 861 an article by Barry Simon (Caltech mathematical physicist) compares Derive, Macsyma, Maple and Mathematica on IBM platforms. This is a follow-up to his review in the May issue of PC Magazine. It includes the problems he used to test the systems, the methods used to solve the problems and timings. The versions tested were those available around January (note the version of Maple tested is the one presently available for the Amiga, v4.2). This is an excellent introduction to the use of Maple and some of its many features. I feel I should point out one of the features of Maple that is not often mentioned. All of the routines that Maple uses are coded in its internal language (the one the user uses to create his/her own functions) and the source to all of these is included with the distribution. This makes it very easy to modify code to meet specific needs. (This also explains why 10M of hard-drive space is recommended. Only 1M of ram is required. Of course, the more you have the better.) -- Bill Hoston farhi@athena.mit.edu -- Bill Hoston farhi@athena.mit.edu
cs40f024@deneb (11/28/90)
Can somebody post some info onto the net about Maple for the Amiga, such as cost (ed. discount??) and features. Pat...
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (11/29/90)
In article <9354@aggie.ucdavis.edu> cs40f024@deneb () writes: >Can somebody post some info onto the net about Maple for the Amiga, such as >cost (ed. discount??) and features. > Features? You want it, it does it. Maple V isn't out yet, and is predicted as coming out 1Q91. Currently there is 4.2. The cost is $400 for the first and $100 per additional site license (until you hit 21 or so sites, then it gets cheaper). The additional licenses do not include manuals. Extra manuals are $40 each. There is a 90 day free upgrade period. So if you buy January 1 and the update comes out on time version V will be free. However for the rest of the first year upgrading is 60% of cost of buying new. This leads me to want to wait until V is actually released. If you, and anyone else, are interested, PLEASE write to jbrennan@daisy.waterloo.edu and ask her what I asked: if we wait until Jan.1 and buy then, even if it is late we get the free upgrade. This way we don't have to wait 3-5 months to buy. I think this helps them as well as us. >Pat... -- Ethan Woody Allen on Los Angeles: "I mean, who would want to live in a place where the only cultural advantage is that you can turn right on a red light?"
Michael.Witbrock@CS.CMU.EDU (12/13/90)
Hi, I just got Maple 4.2 (a symbolic math program) and stuck it on my Amiga. It's not bad (especially considering that it's free - Carnegie Mellon has a site licence), but the formula output is not exactly tex standard, and the graphics are ascii in a console window. So, what I want to know is: is there an upgrade, and if not, I'd like to make a suggestion: make a little upgrade. add an Arexx port to it, and add an unformatted output option. Then one could use external programs to dop the plotting, and to make the formulae look nice, and it's be a lot more Amigalike (using IPC and multiple processes). Michael
es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (12/13/90)
In article <wbNjGmq00XNIMFUcc8@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@CS.CMU.EDU writes: > >Hi, I just got Maple 4.2 (a symbolic math program) and stuck it on my >Amiga. >It's not bad (especially considering that it's free - Carnegie Mellon >has a site licence), but >the formula output is not exactly tex standard, and the graphics are >ascii in a console window. > >So, what I want to know is: is there an upgrade, and if not, I'd like to >make a suggestion: > Not only is there an upgrade, there is an ENORMOUS upgrade, including TeX and Postscript output and 3-D graphics, etc., but it is FREE. Release date is 1st quarter 91. -- Ethan Woody Allen on Los Angeles: "I mean, who would want to live in a place where the only cultural advantage is that you can turn right on a red light?"
hugh@kink.UUCP (Hugh D. Gamble) (12/15/90)
>Hi, I just got Maple 4.2 (a symbolic math program) and stuck it on my >Amiga. ... >the formula output is not exactly tex standard, and the graphics are It's not? It looks a little ugly sometimes due to extra braces and a lack of fancy indenting, but it's standard LaTeX. If some memory usage messages get interleaved with the LaTeX output you have to remove them by hand, but aside from that, everything works just fine. >ascii in a console window. Aha, it sounds like you haven't read the Amiga specific documentation. (or even the standard documentation in paper or online form). You have to set the plotdevice to whatever output device you want. The best one for Amiga screen output is "amigahi" for a high res screen. for printer output or a PostScript previewer, write it as postscript and you'll get much better resolution. >So, what I want to know is: is there an upgrade, and if not, I'd like to Maple V should be available for the Amiga by spring. >make a little upgrade. add an Arexx port to it, and add an unformatted >output option. Then one could use external programs to dop the plotting, What do you mean unformatted? What's the problem with the ASCII, LaTeX and FORTRAN equation output options? >and to make the formulae look nice, and it's be a lot more Amigalike >(using IPC and multiple processes). The port of Maple V is being modelled after the X11 version. >Michael -- # Hugh D. Gamble No Disclaimers. % # hugh@kink.UUCP hugh@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca % # ** "Live long and prosper, dudes." - Spock Simpson ** %
ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Alan Gerber) (12/15/90)
hugh@kink.UUCP (Hugh D. Gamble) writes: >Aha, it sounds like you haven't read the Amiga specific documentation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >(or even the standard documentation in paper or online form). You >have to set the plotdevice to whatever output device you want. The >best one for Amiga screen output is "amigahi" for a high res screen. >for printer output or a PostScript previewer, write it as postscript >and you'll get much better resolution. Aha! I bought my copy of Maple (for on-campus use only) through my university. It came with no Amiga-specific documentation at all. It came on 4 disks in compressed form with a decompressor program on one of the disks. It took me a while to figure out (trial and error) how to decode the disks in the first place. I saw your note and tried setting plotdevice to amigahi... it worked! I wonder what else might be Amiga-specific and how one might obtain the documentation. (It took my university (Illinois) a while to figure out there was an Amiga version in the first place (I'm the only one on campus to ever request one)). Thanks, Richard gerber@rigel.astro.uiuc.edu ragg0270@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu >>So, what I want to know is: is there an upgrade, and if not, I'd like to >Maple V should be available for the Amiga by spring. >>make a little upgrade. add an Arexx port to it, and add an unformatted >>output option. Then one could use external programs to dop the plotting, >What do you mean unformatted? What's the problem with the ASCII, >LaTeX and FORTRAN equation output options? >>and to make the formulae look nice, and it's be a lot more Amigalike >>(using IPC and multiple processes). >The port of Maple V is being modelled after the X11 version. >>Michael >-- ># Hugh D. Gamble No Disclaimers. % ># hugh@kink.UUCP hugh@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca % ># ** "Live long and prosper, dudes." - Spock Simpson ** %