spencer@eris.UUCP (09/12/87)
Well, this is a cry for help...
I have had my hands on UUPC and SLIP for almost two weeks now and I have yet
to have a chance to use them. I figure from the readings that SLIP will let
me network my Amiga to a SUN or a VAX, or an Amiga, but I have yet to under-
stand how. I hooked two Amigas together (for lack of a Sun or VAX) and I
ran SLIP on both (the program called NET) and up came a window, but no help,
other than a list of commands. Nothing I did had any real consequence. So
I started asking around and no one I know has tried it yet.
So I start asking about UUPC. Seems that people want to do something with it
but no one is yet. I really want to hook UUPC up, so that I can get Usenet
directly into my BBS. I just bought a 40 meg (that will last a week supporting
Comp.Sys.Amiga) hard drive so that I can do this stuff.
The real question of this posting is:
Who do I talk to about these networking protocols,
and/or
What books do I check out of the library,
and/or
Is anyone else having problems getting it up.
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Someone asked what UUCP was. It's a protocol/set of programs for sending
stuff back and forth between machines in a somewhat friendly automated
manner. Originally stood for Unix-to-Unix Copy but has moved far beyond that
operating system. A number of UUCP-functionial-similar clones are available
for the Amiga. All are somewhat buggy but never-the-less perform a
valuable service for many people (including this author).
UUCP allows one to send mail, receive mail, and copy files from one machine
to another. For example, THIS message was written using a "mail" program.
The message was forwarded to another site automatically when that site's UUCP
daemon called my home machine. From that machine the message was automatically
forwarded to the net. All this required me only to do:
mail nrl-aic!udel.edu!amiga-relay
and type in the message. The rest was handled by the various UUCP (and other)
programs running on various machines (including my own). One can transfer
files just as easily. Assume there's an Amiga out there named "kumquat" that
my system knows about (let's say that machine calls mine once in a while).
I want to get that machine's file called "UUCP:spool/~/Cstuff.zoo". All I have
to do is: ^
[This is a trick to get
[around UNIX braindamage
uucp kumquat!uucp:spool/~/Cstuff.zoo myfile
and the transfer will take place when kumquat calls my machine.
I use a 512k 2-3.5" floppy Amiga 1000 as a UUCP receiving/sending site
24 hours a day/seven days a week. This is UUCP V0.50, obtained (indirectly)
from William Loftus. Each day my site receives about 300K bytes of incoming
messages (amiga and aviation, plus a little personal mail and occassionally
a transfered file or two). This requires at least two reboots of the Amiga
per day due to memory being gobbled and never freed by the set of programs
which get invoked when incoming stuff "arrives". I disabled (via bit twiddling
the binary) an invocation of a "New mail has arrived" window which caused more
frequent crashes (not sure why, but the frequency went down dramatically and
can now definitely be traced to memory "slowly" disappearing).
C source and binary are available. The C source for the UUCP version discussed
is written for Lattice (I have Aztec...sigh). To actually USE the UUCP set of
programs you have to "hook yourself into" another machine that runs
UUCP-type stuff, since you have to do UUCP-to-UUCP...this is usually the step
of the UUCP installation that stops most folks. There are for-money sites that
will usually allow such registration if you can't find a site (or site manager)
who will do it for you.
An aside on MY UUCP installation -- As mentioned above, I get a fair amount of
messages daily, probably a hundred or two. Since I've only got floppies, the
transfers tend to take quite a while (they're DAMN slow, actually...). After
a couple months of use, the UUCP: disk starts squeaking (NOT the drive...the
actual DISK), implying it's getting worn out or something. At that point I
change disks (and chuck the old). I also tend to wear out the DF0: disk as
well since my 512k memory size doesn't permit placing many commands in memory.
These symptoms give me the heebie-jeebies when I consider installing UUCP
on an Amiga with a HARD drive...can't imagine throwing one of them out every
other month or so... I've looked over the source and decided that someday
I'll write a version that doesn't do too many UNIX-compatible things
(like logfile formats). This'll happen one of these days (RSN...). Anybody
got a good reference or two on the UUCP protocol? The GNU version of the
protocol implemented is obscure, to say the least...
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smith@aic.nrl.navy.milrjm10838@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (10/10/89)
The UUCP idea sounds pretty interesting since I have no access to UseNet while I'm away from school. Anyone know of any sites in the Chicago area (free or otherwise...) that will allow me to use them as a server? Thanks in advance. Ron Menelli rjm10838@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
flinton@eagle.wesleyan.edu (10/13/89)
In article <111400051@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>, rjm10838@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > > The UUCP idea ... sites in the Chicago area ... ? > Well, there's chinet, for starters; for others, consult comp.mail.maps for Illinois (FTP-able from, say, uunet and elsewhere). -- Fred
mcewan@pro-realm.cts.com (Scott McEwan) (12/07/89)
Anybody know where I can get a copy of UUCP for the Amiga? I sent $5 to an address that was posted in this newsgroup a couple months ago, but never heas\rd a word (the check was not cashed). Scott McEwan UUCP: crash!pro-realm!mcewan ARPA: crash!pro-realm!mcewan@nosc.mil INET: mcewan@pro-realm.cts.com
ianr@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Ian ROWLANDS) (12/07/89)
In article <848@crash.cts.com> mcewan@pro-realm.cts.com (Scott McEwan) writes: >Anybody know where I can get a copy of UUCP for the Amiga? I >sent $5 to an address that was posted in this newsgroup a couple >months ago, but never heas\rd a word (the check was not cashed). I would also like to know where to get it, and find out the current version available. Currently only the beta version has been available (on a Fish Disk). Hopefully it would be better documented than this beta version! Thanks in advance, Ian Ian Rowlands | "By 1990, no Australian child will be Dept. of Electrical Engineering | living in poverty" University of Melbourne | -Bob Hawke Email :- ianr@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | (Flames to ianr@murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au)
ckp@grebyn.com (Checkpoint Technologies) (12/08/89)
In article <848@crash.cts.com> mcewan@pro-realm.cts.com (Scott McEwan) writes: >Anybody know where I can get a copy of UUCP for the Amiga? I I got my Amiga UUCP from: William Loftus Dynamyx PO Box 1481 King of Prussia, PA 19406 uucp: wpl@creation.UUCP ARPA: creation!wpl@prc.unisys.com Phone: 215-265-6833 Good luck!
sneakers@heimat.UUCP (Dan "Sneakers" Schein) (12/09/89)
In Message <848@crash.cts.com>, mcewan@pro-realm.cts.com (Scott McEwan) writes: >Anybody know where I can get a copy of UUCP for the Amiga? I >sent $5 to an address that was posted in this newsgroup a couple >months ago, but never heas\rd a word (the check was not cashed). I havent spoken with William Loftus latley, but the latest version (I know of) can be downloaded from BERKS AMIGA BBS for free. (See .signature below) Sneakers -- ___ Dan "Sneakers" Schein //// BERKS AMIGA BBS Sneakers Computing //// You've tried the rest, now try 2455 McKinley Ave. ___ //// the BEST! 80 Megs of 100% AMIGA West Lawn, PA 19609 \\\\ //// 24 hrs @ 215/678-7691 \\\\//// sneakers%heimat@commodore.com (or) uunet!cbmvax!heimat!sneakers
kvitek@pro-party.cts.com (Keith Vitek) (02/25/90)
Where can I find Matts version of UUCP? ______ UUCP: ...!crash!pnet01!pro-party!kvitek ARPA: crash!pnet01!pro-party!kvitek@nosc.mil INET: kvitek@pro-party.cts.com Keith Vitek | Voice: 512/852-1841 | I want my NeXT... 5914 LiptonShire | or: 512/852-1780 | I want my AmigaUUCP... Corpus Christi, TX 78415 | FIDO: 1:160/40 | I want ..........
hychejw@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff W. Hyche) (09/05/90)
This post is proabaly getting old but here goes. I now have a reason to get newsfeeds on my home machine. I tried to set up uucp but have a little problems with it. If anyone would mind can you mail me some more info on the program. It looks like a well written program. Any general info would also be welcome as I'm new at this(like recommended hard drive space and bug reports, even sites that will pass on newsfeeds). Please reply by mail. Thanks in advance Jeff
PYC136@uriacc.uri.edu (Andy Patrizio) (12/28/90)
Arg, this is frustrating... On ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, Fred Fish disk #360, there is UUCP.zoo, measuring over 950k in size. How in the world am I supposed to get that on a floppy? I'd like to start using UUCP, since we have a UNIX BBS in my area, but there's no way I can download that file. .signed, ----- | Bitnet: pyc136@uriacc.bitnet Andy Patrizio | ARPA: pyc136@uriacc.uri.edu Class of 2010 | Internet: pyc136%uriacc.bitnet@brownvm.brown.edu University of RI | Usenet: andypo@idsvax.ids.com | UUCP: uunet!rayssd!idsvax!andypo ----- "With friends like these, who needs hallucinations?" - Buddy, "Night Court" -----
xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (12/28/90)
PYC136@uriacc.uri.edu (Andy Patrizio) writes: >Arg, this is frustrating... >On ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, Fred Fish disk #360, there is UUCP.zoo, measuring over >950k in size. How in the world am I supposed to get that on a floppy? I'd >like to start using UUCP, since we have a UNIX BBS in my area, but there's >no way I can download that file. Well, if you intend to use UUCP, you're going to find lots of files to download that aren't sized for any Amiga floppy. Two $$ solutions to your problem are a harddrive and more ram. A $ solution is the new AED 1.4M or so floppy drive. The cheapo solution is to borrow a friend's machine, or download the file onto a Unix host with zoo, take the file apart, and repack it in two parts to store on floppy and use on your machine. Really, though, if there's 950K of compressed files there, they're going to be a lot bigger unarchived, and you just aren't going to be using them on a minimal configuration Amiga. By the way, the packing efficiency of lharc is enough better than zoo that that file probably would fit on a single Amiga floppy repacked as an .lzh file, if the archive maintainers are listening; I usually get about an extra 20% compression repacking a .zoo as a .lzh file. It is all a bit odd, since presumably any Fish Disk, even downloadable, once fit on an Amiga disk. Looks like someone got a little too clever in building the archive and combined some things better left separate. Kent, the man from xanth. <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>
dac@prolix.ccadfa.oz.au (Andrew Clayton) (12/28/90)
In article <40083@nigel.ee.udel.edu>, Andy Patrizio writes: > Arg, this is frustrating... > > On ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, Fred Fish disk #360, there is UUCP.zoo, measuring over > 950k in size. How in the world am I supposed to get that on a floppy? I'd > like to start using UUCP, since we have a UNIX BBS in my area, but there's > no way I can download that file. UnZoo the file on the host machine, and then archive portions of it until it is within your size limit, then transmit those, changing floppies as they become close to full. If you cannot access the host machine at command level, then you're probably not going to be able to achieve what you want to do. If you had a reasonable amount of memory (2.5Mb) you could download it straight to memory, and unZoo individual files from it onto floppy. Running UUCP in a floppy environment would be my idea of a nightmare, but that's my personal bias, and irrelevant to your wants and needs. Good luck. > Andy Patrizio | ARPA: pyc136@uriacc.uri.edu Dac -- _l _ _ // Andrew Clayton. Canberra, Australia. I Post . (_](_l(_ \X/ ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au!prolix!dac . . I am. -------- I cannot send or recieve mail to or from sites outside of Australia.
jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) (12/29/90)
Quoted from <40083@nigel.ee.udel.edu> by PYC136@uriacc.uri.edu (Andy Patrizio): > 950k in size. How in the world am I supposed to get that on a floppy? I'd > like to start using UUCP, since we have a UNIX BBS in my area, but there's Well, it'd be a hassle to try running AmigaUUCP off of floppy anyway, so it's probably a Good Thing it's too large. > Andy Patrizio | ARPA: pyc136@uriacc.uri.edu -- *** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG. jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz *** *** "Snake through the chaos with a smooth noodle map" - Devo ***
jrichard@hawk.ulowell.edu (MacGyver) (12/30/90)
Hi. I'm sure that this has gone though the net a lot. In fact I seem to remember skipping the articles... I am attempting to run uucp from my amiga. Unfortunately, the Unix documentation (what to do) is very sparse (I couldn't find any). If anyone knows of any documentation for doing this or can relate any stories can you please mail them to me. <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> >John Richardson |"sundogs fire on the horizon < <UseNet:jrichard@hawk.ulowell.edu| meteor viens stream across the night> >Plan: | ...the spark still flies < <MacGyver-ize programs 'till they| reflected in another pair of eyes." > >work (pass the duct tape please)| < ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (12/31/90)
jrichard@hawk.ulowell.edu (MacGyver) writes: > Hi. I'm sure that this has gone though the net a lot. In fact I seem > to remember skipping the articles... > I am attempting to run uucp from my amiga. Unfortunately, the Unix > documentation (what to do) is very sparse (I couldn't find any). If > anyone knows of any documentation for doing this or can relate any > stories can you please mail them to me. Sigh. I knew I should have posted this instead of answering the last query by email. Scrabble, scrabble, :r ! grep Nutshell mailfolders/*, :r ! cat mailfolder/mike_myke_*, vi, mfold, mfold, mfold: >From: xanthian (Kent Paul Dolan) >To: mike_myke_schwartz@cup.portal.com > I am a network administrator for a network of Amigas running AmigaNet > on ethernet. I would like to be able to provide UUCP access to anyone > on the network, but I am not very knowledgeable about the internals of > UUCP or about any software for UUCP access for the Amiga. Would > anybody out there be able to help me out? Your local computer book store can help you find two books in the Nutshell Handbooks series from O'Reilly & Associates, Inc., called Using UUCP and USEnet, and Managing UUCP and USENet. The latter book especially has an _excellent_ reputation. The publisher may be contacted at 1-800-338-6887 outside California, or at 1-800-533-6887 within California, or by post at 632 Petaluma Avenue, Sebastapol, CA 95472. As far as UUCP for the Amiga, write to Matthew Dillon (Matt) at dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US, about his AmigaUUCP 1.06 (or forthcoming 1.07) package, or send a message asking to be put on his mailing list to amiga-uucp-request@overload.Berkeley.CA.US, for just correspondence, or to amiga-uucp-patches-request@overload.Berkeley.CA.US for both correspondence and software distributions. As far as I know, it's free. Kent, the man from xanth. <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>