robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) (01/15/91)
Hi,
Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple,
Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone
even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many
Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and
Billions".
--
Robert Moldenhauer One People
U.S. Snail: 30 Lathrop St., One Planet
Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please!
BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDUes1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) (01/17/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >Hi, >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone >even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many >Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and >Billions". > Here's the best I can do. Commodore officially announced the sale of the 2 millionth Amiga in October. We have just passed the Christmas season. Over 7/1/89--6/30/90 there were 550,000 A500s sold, and sales are reportedly up 20%. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that there are close to 2.5 million Amigas currently sold. As to Apple and IBM, I read a report that the Mac will surpass the 7 million mark in 1992 and that MS-DOS clones will be well over the 80 million mark in 1992. >-- >Robert Moldenhauer One People >U.S. Snail: 30 Lathrop St., One Planet > Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please! >BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDU -- Ethan "What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind... How true that is." -- Dan Quayle, of course. Our beloved Vice President. It's just too easy!
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (01/17/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >Hi, >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone >even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many >Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and >Billions". Sorry that I can't serve with exactly these numbers. The TOTAL number of Amigas (all models, sales since 1985) has now passed the 2 million limit in November. How many of this was in 1990 I don't know. From what I heard here in Germany and from other European countries, Amiga might sell approximately double as many machines as Atari, but admitted, this is a rough guess. It is at least two years ago that Atari sold more machines than Amiga, as far as I heard. But back in those times that was true because of Atari's lower prices. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
estdwha@warwick.ac.uk (CrisP) (01/18/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >Hi, >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone ^^^ What's a "Dos"? I've never heard of that kind of computer/manufacturer? >even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. How many >Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris "Billions and >Billions". > >-- >Robert Moldenhauer One People >U.S. Snail: 30 Lathrop St., One Planet > Madison, Wis 53705 USA Please! >BITNET: rmoldenhauer@WISCMACC INTERNET: rmoldenhauer@VMS.MACC.WISC.EDU
spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) (01/19/91)
In article <1991Jan18.132404.17350@warwick.ac.uk> estdwha@warwick.ac.uk (CrisP) writes: >In article <1694@madnix.UUCP> robert@madnix.UUCP (Robert Moldenhauer) writes: >>Hi, >>Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >>Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with someone > ^^^ > >What's a "Dos"? I've never heard of that kind of computer/manufacturer? He means MS-Dos (IBM PC) compatible machines. For some reason, these machines tend to be quite popular. Dunno why :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spencer Shanson - Amiga Software Engineer | email: spence@commodore.COM | or uunet!cbmvax!spence All opinions expressed are my own, and do not | "A picture is worth 1000 (necessarily) represent those of Commodore. | words, or about 300,000 | bytes."
agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) (01/20/91)
In article <1694@madnix.UUCP>, Robert Moldenhauer writes: >Could someone post real numbers of personal computer sales (Amiga, Apple, >Dos, Atari). We have had some rediculous debates on our club BBS with >someone even claiming the ST was the largest personal computer in Europe. >How many Amigae were sold last year? I want real numbers, nt Ataris >"Billions and Billions". Of course, there are many ST sold in Europe, especially in Germany, but the Atari ST is far away from being "the largest personal computer in Europe". STs are mainly bought because of their 70-Hz monochrom display. But there are much more Amiga 500 sold in Germany simple for playing video games. Today nearly nobody buys an Atari ST and also noone buys an Atari TT. But there are many A3000 sold in Germany. Our local computer shop sold about 45 A3000 till today and really 0 (NULL, zero) TTs! Greets, Matthias -- Matthias Zepf * Riegelaeckerstrasse 27 * D-7250 Leonberg * Reunited Germany *PHONE* (+49) 7152 41917 *UUCP* agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org *FIDO* 2:241/7031.7633 -or- zepf@helg.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Anybody listening? - Queensr"yche
ludde@nada.kth.se (Erik Lundevall) (01/22/91)
In article <1991Jan22.145423.467@cs.umu.se> dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) writes: >In article <73.279A91D9@ijcr.fidonet.org> Darin.Arrick@ijcr.fidonet.org (Darin Arrick) writes: >> In Europe, the PC doesn't have such a stronghold as in the States. The >>Europeans look at other alternatives, mainly the ST and Amiga. >> > >He is rather far from the truth. The PC, while not as dominant as in the US, >certainly has a firm grip on the market. The second best selling machine is >the Mac, with Amiga and ST bringing up the rear. There are no other brands >worth mentioning right now. The Amiga is outselling the ST everywhere and >I think it is gaining ground on the Mac as well. > >/Jorgen One has to remember that Europe is not just one single homogenous market, but a number of different ones. As Jorgen points out, PC-clones are quite strong, at least in some countries. I find more similarities between Sweden and the US than between Sweden and Germany regarding the market share. -- -Erik Lundevall "You never fail until you have stopped trying" email: ludde@nada.kth.se ludde@adder.bula.se uunet!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmswe!adder!ludde
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (01/23/91)
In article <1991Jan22.145423.467@cs.umu.se> dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) writes: > >He is rather far from the truth. The PC, while not as dominant as in the US, >certainly has a firm grip on the market. The second best selling machine is >the Mac, with Amiga and ST bringing up the rear. There are no other brands >worth mentioning right now. The Amiga is outselling the ST everywhere and >I think it is gaining ground on the Mac as well. Sorry, I have no exact figures, but this again is not true after what I hear, at least not for Germany. Apple is NOT dominant in any aspect, they sell about half as many machines as Commodore (I think, I heard it this way. Apple has (had?) a definite high- price policy here.) Yes, and it is true that the Amiga outsells the ST, but only since the last approx. two years, before that Atari sold more machines. And yes, the PCs dominate strongly above all. But again, Commodore is a strong contender here, number 2 after IBM. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) (01/24/91)
In article <778@cbmger.UUCP> peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) writes: >In article <1991Jan22.145423.467@cs.umu.se> dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) writes: >> >>He is rather far from the truth. The PC, while not as dominant as in the US, >>certainly has a firm grip on the market. The second best selling machine is >>the Mac, with Amiga and ST bringing up the rear. There are no other brands >>worth mentioning right now. The Amiga is outselling the ST everywhere and >>I think it is gaining ground on the Mac as well. > >Sorry, I have no exact figures, but this again is not true after >what I hear, at least not for Germany. Apple is NOT dominant in >any aspect, they sell about half as many machines as Commodore >(I think, I heard it this way. Apple has (had?) a definite high- >price policy here.) Yes, and it is true that the Amiga outsells >the ST, but only since the last approx. two years, before that Atari >sold more machines. > Is this figure for amigas or for pc's or both? Mixing the two doesn't give a true picture as the interesting thing is how the amiga platform is developing. Does anyone know how the 3000 is doing? >And yes, the PCs dominate strongly above all. But again, Commodore >is a strong contender here, number 2 after IBM. > >-- >Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... >Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk /Jorgen -- ******************************************************************************* email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. "Credo, quia absurdum est." Credo in absurdum est?
peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) (01/28/91)
In article <1991Jan24.042848.17544@cs.umu.se> dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) writes: >In article <778@cbmger.UUCP> peterk@cbmger.UUCP (Peter Kittel GERMANY) writes: >> >>Sorry, I have no exact figures, but this again is not true after >>what I hear, at least not for Germany. Apple is NOT dominant in >>any aspect, they sell about half as many machines as Commodore >>(I think, I heard it this way. Apple has (had?) a definite high- >>price policy here.) Yes, and it is true that the Amiga outsells >>the ST, but only since the last approx. two years, before that Atari >>sold more machines. > >Is this figure for amigas or for pc's or both? Mixing the two doesn't >give a true picture as the interesting thing is how the amiga platform >is developing. When comparing with IBM, only professional machines are counted, so MS-DOS PCs and the bigger Amigas (>= A2000). When comparing to Atari STs, only Amigas (all models) are counted. And notice, my quoted relations only refer to *number* of machines; when considering value you get a slightly different image because of high-price policy of some contenders... > Does anyone know how the 3000 is doing? Don't have figures. -- Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // E-Mail to \\ Only my personal opinions... Commodore Frankfurt, Germany \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk