lean@sbstaff2.UUCP (Lean L. Loh) (12/12/86)
Hello hackers,
Having seen and played with both the Atari 1040ST and an
IBM PC (AT), I wonder why there are still people buying (and using !!) the
IBM PC AT. And the IBM PC (generic 8088)? Ughhh.........
The Atari ST has an incredible monochrome monitor and an
excellent color system. If any of you IBM fans out there haven't seen the
ST and its capabilities, check it out. It's worth it.
................Of course, if people have loads of $$$$ to throw around,
then it's a different story. Any comments.
--
Lean L. Loh,
SUNY at Stony Brook
CSNET: lean@sbcs.csnet
ARPA: lean%suny-sb.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa
UUCP: {allegra, hocsd, philabs, ogcvax}!sbcs!lean
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In article <186@sbstaff2.UUCP> lean@sbstaff2.UUCP (Lean L. Loh) writes: > Hello hackers, > Having seen and played with both the Atari 1040ST and an >IBM PC (AT), I wonder why there are still people buying (and using !!) the >IBM PC AT. And the IBM PC (generic 8088)? Ughhh......... >................Of course, if people have loads of $$$$ to throw around, >then it's a different story. Any comments. > A computer is practically useless unless there is software to run on it. And I don't mean just having on or two choices either. The day there is as much software out there for the ST as there is for the IBM PC, is the day I will look at the ST. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ atheism all the way!! Atul Kacker UUCP : {allegra|seismo|decvax}!rochester!ur-tut!akk2
ali@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Ali Ozer) (12/15/86)
In article <186@sbstaff2.UUCP> lean@sbstaff2.UUCP (Lean L. Loh) writes: > Hello hackers, > Having seen and played with both the Atari 1040ST and an >IBM PC (AT), I wonder why there are still people buying (and using !!) the >IBM PC AT. And the IBM PC (generic 8088)? Ughhh......... > The Atari ST has an incredible monochrome monitor and an >excellent color system. If any of you IBM fans out there haven't seen the >ST and its capabilities, check it out. It's worth it. Recommending Atari ST to hackers? If an IBM user were to give up on his/her IBM and decide to spend less bucks for a better machine, the Amiga is the way to go. Especially now, with the Sidecar out... It provides full IBM compatibility while preserving Amiga's multitasking environment. You can even hook up IBM peripherals. You can run flight simulator. At least as fast as the PC. You can also do fun things --- You can mess around with the colors and assign any subset of Amiga's 4096 colors to the 16 IBM colors. And get a red sky with a purple landscape. And once you're airborne and flying steady, you can resize the flight simulator window, push it to the corner (where you can see a part of your instruments, just to make sure nothing goes wrong...), and then open up your favorite text editor and compiler for some serious programming... And when you are finally compiling, you can plug in the Amiga flight simulator and start yet another flight, running concurrently with the IBM flight simulator. Atari ST??? Nahhh... The monochorome ST can't even run the flight simulator written for the color ST! Ali Ozer, ali@navajo.stanford.edu ps. (But I must admit Atari ST is some tough competition for the Commodore 64.) also... But seriously folks, when I saw the Sidecar on the Amiga (especially after seeing the "Transformer," which ran about 20 IBM programs on the Amiga, and that barely), I could not believe my eyes. That thing really provides full IBM compatibility without losing any of Amiga's own neat features. I'm really impressed with it.
thomps@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (Ken Thompson) (12/15/86)
In article <186@sbstaff2.UUCP>, lean@sbstaff2.UUCP (Lean L. Loh) writes: > > Hello hackers, > Having seen and played with both the Atari 1040ST and an > IBM PC (AT), I wonder why there are still people buying (and using !!) the > IBM PC AT. And the IBM PC (generic 8088)? Ughhh......... > The Atari ST has an incredible monochrome monitor and an > excellent color system. If any of you IBM fans out there haven't seen the > ST and its capabilities, check it out. It's worth it. > > ................Of course, if people have loads of $$$$ to throw around, > then it's a different story. Any comments. I question what criteria you are using to make your decision. In buying a computer, you should : 1. Determine what it is you need it to do 2. Determine what reliability and repair requirements 3. Decide what software you need to meet your requirements 4. Find hardware which will run the software packages you need and which meets your requirements for reliability and repairability. 5. Choose one that meets your requirements and fits (hopefully) your budget. If I was buying a micro primarily for experimentation and hacking, I would probably by an atari 1040 or an amiga. However for real work, the available software and hardware packages led me to choose a PC XT clone. Certainly, it is not as technologically advanced, but the software and peripherals are available now to make it do what I need to do. -- Ken Thompson Phone : (404) 894-7089 Georgia Tech Research Institute Georgia Insitute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 ...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!gitpyr!thomps
werner@aecom.UUCP (Craig Werner) (12/18/86)
The original poster asks the rhetorical question: why do some
people still use and buy and IBM-PC. Now I can't answer why people
still buy them (when many clones are superior), but I can answer why
people still use them: because it's on my desk and it's paid for.
A computer is only a tool, and as long as it does what is required,
there is no need to replace it. Besides, by waiting to the point of
necessity by obsolescence, one gets a better deal, in price, performance,
or both.
As for myself, I haven't decided whether to ditch my IBM PC for
an Amiga 5000, a 68020 (no make that a 68030) Open Mac, an Atari 4160,
an 80486 laptop, or perhaps a Micro-Cray, if you get my drift....
--
Craig Werner (MD/PhD '91)
!philabs!aecom!werner
(1935-14E Eastchester Rd., Bronx NY 10461, 212-931-2517)
"I tell you I'm a thief and you call me a liar?"lean@sbstaff2.UUCP (Lean L. Loh) (12/21/86)
> In article <186@sbstaff2.UUCP> lean@sbstaff2.UUCP (Lean L. Loh) writes: > > Hello hackers, > > Having seen and played with both the Atari 1040ST and an > >IBM PC (AT), I wonder why there are still people buying (and using !!) the > >IBM PC AT. And the IBM PC (generic 8088)? Ughhh......... > >................Of course, if people have loads of $$$$ to throw around, > >then it's a different story. Any comments. > > > > A computer is practically useless unless there is software to run on it. > And I don't mean just having on or two choices either. The day there is > as much software out there for the ST as there is for the IBM PC, is > the day I will look at the ST. > > > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > atheism all the way!! > Atul Kacker > UUCP : {allegra|seismo|decvax}!rochester!ur-tut!akk2 Hello, Thanks for responding to my original posting. It wasn't meant to flame anyone. However, a couple of comments posted subsequently prompted this response. I hope this is the end of that discussion. Lack of software for the ST: Yes, granted the ST has less software than the IBM PC, but how long has the PC been out. The ST has MORE software NOW than did the IBM PC for the same time period subsequent to introduction into the market respectively. The ST has an IBM-PC emulator (box with 8088, 8087, drive, etc) and also a Macintosh emulator. Yes, Flight Simulator does NOT work on the monochrome, but if you check with the guys (LOGIC), a version that runs on the monochrome will be out fairly soon. BTW, don't you think the Atari monochrome monitor for the ST is VERY, VERY good (compared to the IBM monochrome). You have to agree on that. Yes, the AT is a fine machine. Yes, AMIGA is also a fine machine. And yes, don't BOMB your IBM PC's; they're good machines, but the ST ...... that's a different story altogether. *************** The reason I posted the original message was to verify that my posting actually made it to the outside world !!! So thanks for responding .*************** -- Lean L. Loh, SUNY at Stony Brook CSNET: lean@sbcs.csnet ARPA: lean%suny-sb.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa UUCP: {allegra, hocsd, philabs, ogcvax}!sbcs!lean <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> <> <> COLE's Axiom: <> <> The SUM of human intelligence on this planet is a constant. <> <> The population is growing. <> <> <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
joeh@dartvax.UUCP (Joseph L. Hill) (12/25/86)
In article <186@sbstaff2.UUCP> lean@sbstaff2.UUCP (Lean L. Loh) writes: > Hello hackers, > Having seen and played with both the Atari 1040ST and an >IBM PC (AT), I wonder why there are still people buying (and using !!) the Yeah, the ST plays great games, thats about all I see it doing better then my IBM. I guess the old saying is true, you get what you pay for...