dalegass@dalcs.UUCP (Dale Gass) (03/19/87)
This summer I am planning to write a vt100.sys file which can be included as a device in the CONFIG.SYS file. This will emulate a VT100 terminal escape sequences fully, including insert/delete line/character, etc, etc... What I would like to know is if there is already such a driver written, just in case I might be wasting time... dalegass@dalcs.uucp
authorplaceholder@gorgo.UUCP.UUCP (03/24/87)
/* Written 10:35 am Mar 19, 1987 by dalegass@dalcs.UUCP in gorgo.UUCP:comp.sy.ibm.pc */ /* ---------- "VT-100 device driver" ---------- */ This summer I am planning to write a vt100.sys file which can be included as a device in the CONFIG.SYS file. This will emulate a VT100 terminal escape sequences fully, including insert/delete line/character, etc, etc... What I would like to know is if there is already such a driver written, just in case I might be wasting time... dalegass@dalcs.uucp /* End of text from gorgo.UUCP:comp.sy.ibm.pc */ If you can make the pc's keypad behave like a real vt100 keypad, I'd be interested!
catone@dsl.cis.upenn.edu.UUCP (04/08/87)
In article <58200024@gorgo.UUCP> ddrex@gorgo.UUCP writes: > >/* Written 10:35 am Mar 19, 1987 by dalegass@dalcs.UUCP in gorgo.UUCP:comp.sy.ibm.pc */ >/* ---------- "VT-100 device driver" ---------- */ >This summer I am planning to write a vt100.sys file which can be included >as a device in the CONFIG.SYS file. This will emulate a VT100 terminal >escape sequences fully, including insert/delete line/character, etc, etc... > >What I would like to know is if there is already such a driver written, just >in case I might be wasting time... > >dalegass@dalcs.uucp >/* End of text from gorgo.UUCP:comp.sy.ibm.pc */ > >If you can make the pc's keypad behave like a real vt100 keypad, I'd be >interested! Nansi.sys, available in source via anonymous ftp from the Info-PC digests at c.isi.edu, implements a very complete set of Ansi commands, including the ones you mention. It is a superset of and replacement for IBM's incomplete implementation, Ansi.sys. Nansi.sys is often included with packages like PC-Hace and MicroEmacs that require it's full Ansi implementation to correctly function. As to making the PC's keyboard behave like a real vt100, that is a different problem, and the proper concern of terminal emulators, not device drivers. In the interest of refraining from a religious debate, I will simply mention that PC/Intercom by Mark of the Unicorn has very good emulation, CrossTalk is almost as good, and the new MS-Kermit ver 2.29 is also good. MS-Kermit has to be the emulator of choice if true color emulation is desired; PC/Intercom treats all colors as simply reverse video, and CrossTalk won't even do that! - Tony catone@dsl.cis.upenn.edu catone@wharton.upenn.edu
authorplaceholder@gorgo.UUCP.UUCP (04/10/87)
I'm acquianted with 'nansi'; I use it, but was not fully aware of all its capabilities. So far as "anonymous ftp", it would be nice to get lots of things, if only I had arpa access :~-( My comments about the emulator were to some degree facetious: nobody will ever convince me that an XT's double row of function keys looks, or behaves, anything like a VT-100/200/220 keypad. Try running VMS EDIT remotely from an XT sometime. It aint fun! What I'd really like to see is an emulator that makes the XT's keypad work as much like a VT-100 keypad as is possible (it's short a few keys, but that's life). ESCAPE would map out to the GOLD KEY, the "+" could be mapped to ENTER... I don't know if it's even possible. David Drexler ddrex@gorgo.UUCP
anderson@uwmacc.UUCP (04/12/87)
In article <58200032@gorgo.UUCP>, ddrex@gorgo.UUCP writes: > So far as "anonymous ftp", it would be nice to get lots of things, if only > I had arpa access :~-( Info on how to access SIMTEL20 archives for non-arpa sites (via e-mail) gets published about once a month. It's obviously not as neat as ftp, which lets you muck around to your heart's content, but at least you're not 100% out in the cold. I'm sorry to tantalize when I don't have the straight poop ready to hand, but some kind soul will promptly send you the right info if you ask. > My comments about the emulator were to some degree facetious: nobody will > ever convince me that an XT's double row of function keys looks, or behaves, > anything like a VT-100/200/220 keypad. Try running VMS EDIT remotely from > an XT sometime. It aint fun! Without commenting on the prospect of putting the VT100 keypad on the numeric keypad of a PC (that *has* to be possible, though?), I've just recently started to use VMS, and not being biased by prior experience, I'm having no difficulty at all with doing all the EDT functions from the PC function keypad. We use ProComm for remote access to VMS, and while most people agree that its implementation of the keypad in VT100 emulation mode is far from ideal, we used a shareware program called NewKey to redefine the function keys to something we think is not that bad. I have to say we think the latest version of NewKey we know about (2.4) seems to have some problems [we're trying to find out more about that]. Assuming we can get that all fixed up, we're going to try out this arrangement on our staff and see what they think of it, as we're all moving to the VMS machine and about half of us use PCs rather than terminals. -- ==ARPA:==============anderson@unix.macc.wisc.edu===Jess Anderson====== | UUCP: {harvard,seismo,rutgers, (avoid ihnp4!) 1210 W. Dayton | | akgua,allegra,usbvax}!uwvax!uwmacc!anderson Madison, WI 53706 | ==BITNET:======================anderson@wiscmacc===608/263-6988=======
caf@omen.UUCP (04/13/87)
In article <58200032@gorgo.UUCP> ddrex@gorgo.UUCP writes:
: Try running VMS EDIT remotely from
:an XT sometime. It aint fun!
VMS EDIT uses vt-100 cursor tricks that most programs that claim to
emulate a vt-100 do not handle properly, including all the well known
ones.
A number of people use Pro-YAM or ZCOMM to access VAX systems without
problems. According to numerous reports, they are the only general
purpose comm programs whose vt100 emulation is close enough for this
application.
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In article <58200032@gorgo.UUCP>, ddrex@gorgo.UUCP writes: > > I'm acquianted with 'nansi'; I use it, but was not fully aware of all its > capabilities. > > My comments about the emulator were to some degree facetious: nobody will > ever convince me that an XT's double row of function keys looks, or behaves, > anything like a VT-100/200/220 keypad. Try running VMS EDIT remotely from > an XT sometime. It aint fun! What I'd really like to see is an emulator that > makes the XT's keypad work as much like a VT-100 keypad as is possible (it's > short a few keys, but that's life). ESCAPE would map out to the GOLD KEY, the > "+" could be mapped to ENTER... I don't know if it's even possible. > > David Drexler > ddrex@gorgo.UUCP MS-Kermit2.29 has an excellent VT-102 emulator, it will also allow mapping keys to produce ANY string, the keys are mapped by scan code, so, you can set up and key, CTRL, ALT, SHIFT, and any combination can be distinguished. So... I have a VT-102 keypad mapping script for MS-Kermit 2.29 for my Tandy-1000. It took a VT-102 manual and about 30 minutes. What I have is F1-F4 set up as PF1-PF4, PrtScr is the ',' and so on... Here is the my MS-Kermit2.29 start up file 'MSKERMIT.INI', this (if you have a Tandy-1000) will set up your keypad like that on a VT-102, if you don't have a Tandy, just change the scan codes on the appropriate definitions. *** ONE NOTE: in order for the 5 key on the keypad to produce a scan code, the NumLock has to be pressed - this is a restriction on the keyboard driver in most PC compatibles??? Tom UUCP: ihnp4\ \killer!toma infoswx!convex!dj3b1/ Tom Armistead --- cut here --- set port 1 set baud 1200 set parity n set prompt Kermit> set mode-line off ;turn off CGA mode, 10 = fast update mode set terminal color 10 ; Set Back Space key as Ctrl-H set key scan 14 \010 ; Set Ctrl-Back Space as Delete set key scan 1038 \177 ; do BBS will set backspace key to ^H ; do VAX will set backspace key to DEL - for a VAX... define BBS set key scan 14,\010 define VAX set key scan 14,\177 ; The following 4 key redifinitions are to compensate for the on the ; keypad of the Tandy 1000 - here, these keys are on the keypad set key scan 1171 \134 set key scan 1172 ~ set key scan 1173 | set key scan 1178 ` COMMENT *********** VT-102 Keypad Setup *********** COMMENT Depress Num-Lock to put Keypad into VT-102 Mode COMMENT F1 - F4 are equal to PF1 - PF4 respectively COMMENT F6 or shift keypad 8 is Up Arrow COMMENT F10 or shift keypad 2 is Down Arrow COMMENT F8 or shift keypad 6 is Right Arrow COMMENT F7 or shift keypad 4 is Left Arrow ;pf1 thru pf4 set key f1 \033OP set key f2 \033OQ set key f3 \033OR set key f4 \033OS ; f6 or shift 8 = up arrow set key f6 \033OA set key scan 584 \033OA ; f10 or shift 2 = down arrow set key f10 \033OB set key scan 592 \033OB ; f8 or shift 6 = right arrow set key f8 \033OC set key scan 589 \033OC ; f7 or shift 4 = left arrow set key f7 \033OD set key scan 587 \033OD ; ;key pad ; '0' set key scan 82 \033Op ; '1' set key scan 79 \033Oq ; '2' set key scan 80 \033Or ; '3' set key scan 81 \033Os ; '4' set key scan 75 \033t ; '5' set key scan 76 \033Ou ; '6' set key scan 77 \033Ov ; '7' set key scan 71 \033Ow ; '8' set key scan 72 \033Ox ; '9' set key scan 73 \033Oy ; '-' set key scan 83 \033Om ; ',' (PRINT key) set key scan 55 \033Ol ; '.' set key scan 86 \033On ; 'ENTER' (enter on Tandy keypad - has to be big PLUS key for IBM) set key scan 87 \033OM ; set back space to DEL set key scan 14 \177 ; default to terminal mode connect
brandon@tdi2.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (04/13/87)
Quoted from <58200032@gorgo.UUCP> ["Re: VT-100 device driver"], by ddrex@gorgo.UUCP... +--------------- | an XT sometime. It aint fun! What I'd really like to see is an emulator that | makes the XT's keypad work as much like a VT-100 keypad as is possible (it's | short a few keys, but that's life). ESCAPE would map out to the GOLD KEY, the | "+" could be mapped to ENTER... I don't know if it's even possible. +--------------- Someone should find out if the ITT XTRA keyboard can be used on a PC/XT/AT/ (insert favorite botch here). It has an Enter key on the keypad. Very useful; I don't see why IBM machine owners put up with not having it. ++Brando -- Brandon S. Allbery UUCP: cbatt!cwruecmp!ncoast!tdi2!brandon Tridelta Industries, Inc. CSNET: ncoast!allbery@Case 7350 Corporate Blvd. INTERNET: ncoast!allbery%Case.CSNET@relay.CS.NET Mentor, Ohio 44060 PHONE: +1 216 255 1080 (home +1 216 974 9210)
wrp@krebs.UUCP (04/16/87)
>VMS EDIT uses vt-100 cursor tricks that most programs that claim to >emulate a vt-100 do not handle properly, including all the well known >ones. > >Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX Author of Pro-YAM I use PC-Intercomm from Mark of the Unicorn routinely to edit on a VMS system with EDIT (and also emacs, vi, etc) and have never had any problems with the VT100 emulation, even at 9600 baud. Perhaps it is simply not well enough known. Bill Pearson ...!seismo!virginia!wrp wrp@virginia.BITNET
cmaag@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Christopher N Maag) (04/21/87)
In case anyone *really* wants to know, a PC/XT flavor ITT XTRA keyboard will work on any IBM compatable that can use a standard keyboard. The ITT ATW/286 keyboard will work on any AT type compatable that can use a standard AT keyboard. Both types of ITT keyboards have a very nice feel, and are well designed. They should be available for about $70 for the PC and $100 for the AT at any ITT dealer.
lkw@titan.UUCP (Larry Wake) (04/23/87)
In article <341@tdi2.UUCP> Pnews swears brandon@tdi2.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) wrote: >Someone should find out if the ITT XTRA keyboard can be used on a PC/XT/AT/ >(insert favorite botch here). It has an Enter key on the keypad. Very >useful; I don't see why IBM machine owners put up with not having it. But both the IBM ?T's I use (an XT and an RT) *DO* have an Enter key on the keyboard -- the "this time, for sure!" new IBM standard keyboard, to be specific. It only took them 5 years and a good hard look at the DEC LK-201 keyboard, but they finally came up with a really nice layout. Now, if only my terminal emulator of choice (VTERM) understood that all these swell new keys were there, and that it doesn't have to use F7 through F10 as arrow keys any more... -- Larry Wake uucp: {ihnp4 | hplabs | psivax}!csun!lkw CSUN Computer Center BITNET: RETPLKW@CALSTATE Northridge, CA 91330 ARPA: RETPLKW%CALSTATE@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
akk2@ur-tut.UUCP (Atul Kacker) (04/25/87)
In article <185@titan.UUCP> lkw@csun.UUCP (Larry Wake) writes: >But both the IBM ?T's I use (an XT and an RT) *DO* have an Enter key on >the keyboard -- the "this time, for sure!" new IBM standard keyboard, >to be specific. Well, I looked at the new keyboard and decided that I would reconfigure the keys so that I could use the Enter key in Kermit when logging to CMS. Anyway I looked at the scan codes generated by SHO KEY in Kermit and to my surprise Enter on the keypad had the same scan code as the Enter on the keyboard (The Return key in other words). So there was no way I could actually use that key. What gives ? Why the same scan codes ? -- ----------------------- Atul Kacker UUCP: ...seismo!rochester!ur-tut!akk2