yao-chun@puff.WISC.EDU (Yao-chung Lee) (06/25/87)
I believe there was a review on this product in
the PC Mag, could anyone please tell me the vol
and issue number.
Has anyone come into contact with it, how is the
feel, is it better than mouse systems or MS mouse?
Is the software that come with it good ?
Could I use the mouse with non-mouse applications
by programming it ?
Thanks in advance for any feedback !
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Yao Chung Lee
University of Wisconsin, Madison
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In article <822@puff.WISC.EDU> yao-chun@puff.WISC.EDU (Yao-chung Lee) writes: > >Has anyone come into contact with it, how is the >feel, is it better than mouse systems or MS mouse? > >Is the software that come with it good ? > >Could I use the mouse with non-mouse applications >by programming it ? > I have a Logitech Mouse (with Plus software) and I like it a lot. I have used several mice (Macintosh, mouse systems, HP) and I don't have a real preference as to feel. The POINT editor it comes with is now my editor of choice. It allows as many windows as you like, in arbitrary orientations. Each can be in a different color, and there is a nice menu for color selection. With EGA, 43 lines/screen is fully supported. Up to 50 operations (configurable) can be undone. A driver program called CLICK allows you to automatically reconfigure your mouse, and to load a new menu, according to application program name. Various baud rates, protocols, and button counts (2 or 3 button mouse) can be selected as necessary. You can make most non-mouse programs operate with the mouse, though a program- mable interface. Menus can be defined, and mouse movements can move the cursor around. From the point of view of the application, you are just issuing commands or cursor keys. Cursor movement isn't as accurate as an application which uses the mouse directly, however. Documentation on how to do all of this is pretty good. Generally, I recommend it highly. The whole package is available around here for under $80, which makes it a good deal compared with other mice.
brown@nicmad.UUCP (Mr. Video) (06/27/87)
In article <822@puff.WISC.EDU> yao-chun@puff.WISC.EDU (Yao-chung Lee) writes:
<I believe there was a review on this product in
<the PC Mag, could anyone please tell me the vol
<and issue number.
<
<Has anyone come into contact with it, how is the
<feel, is it better than mouse systems or MS mouse?
<
<Is the software that come with it good ?
<
<Could I use the mouse with non-mouse applications
<by programming it ?
We have a few of the Logitech mice here where I work. Actually, I had been
ordering them. I have only played with the Plus software a little bit.
There is even a piece in the Plus software to allow use of the mouse with 1-2-3.
But, the big advantage that the $99.00 mouse has (w/o Plus software) is that
they are now shipping a CMOS mouse that gets its power from the RS-232 port
and comes standard with a 9 pin D connector AND a 25 pin to 9 pin adapter.
I personally like the mouse. Some people I work with like the Mouse System's
optical mouse. But it isn't programmable.
The mouse is worth looking into. They have a 30 day trial period. If you
don't like the mouse, just send it back. But, do get it with the Plus
software.
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terminus-/anderson@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) (06/27/87)
In article <1731@nicmad.UUCP> brown@nicmad.UUCP (Mr. Video) writes: ]In article <822@puff.WISC.EDU> yao-chun@puff.WISC.EDU (Yao-chung Lee) writes: ]<Has anyone come into contact with it, how is the ]<feel, is it better than mouse systems or MS mouse? ]<Is the software that come with it good ? ]<Could I use the mouse with non-mouse applications ]<by programming it ? ]I personally like the mouse. Some people I work with like the Mouse System's ]optical mouse. But it isn't programmable. I don't know in quite what sense you mean programmable, Mike. I have an MS bus mouse at work and a Mouse Systems bus mouse at home. The Mouse Systems rodent has a flexible pop-up menu language and an associated compiler (included), plus a programming language interface to access mouse system calls from IBM's BASIC interpreter, from assembler programs, and from compiled languages like C, Pascal (and Turbo Pascal), COBOL, Fortran, and BASIC. From a "look and feel" point of view, the Mouse Systems device works transparently in all contexts I've tried the same as the MS mouse (e.g., MS Word). I find the optical mouse a good deal smoother to use, in the mechanical sense. A particular point for those with big hands (me for one) is that the MS mouse is too small (narrow) for comfort. The Mouse Systems critter fits much better between thumb and pinkie. Disclaimer: I have no connection with any of the relevant commerical interests. ==ARPA:===============anderson@vms.macc.wisc.edu===Jess Anderson====== | UUCP: {harvard,seismo,rutgers, (avoid ihnp4!) 1210 W. Dayton | | akgua,allegra,usbvax}!uwvax!uwwircs!anderson Madison, WI 53706 | ==BITNET:======================anderson@wiscmacc===608/263-6988=======
brown@nicmad.UUCP (Mr. Video) (06/29/87)
In article <1666@uwmacc.UUCP> anderson@uwwircs.UUCP (Jess Anderson) writes: <In article <1731@nicmad.UUCP> brown@nicmad.UUCP (Mr. Video) writes: < <I personally like the mouse. Some people I work with like the Mouse System's <optical mouse. But it isn't programmable. < <I don't know in quite what sense you mean programmable, Mike. I have an <MS bus mouse at work and a Mouse Systems bus mouse at home. The Mouse <Systems rodent has a flexible pop-up menu language and an associated <compiler (included), plus a programming language interface to access <mouse system calls from IBM's BASIC interpreter, from assembler programs, <and from compiled languages like C, Pascal (and Turbo Pascal), COBOL, <Fortran, and BASIC. A Logitech Mouse is programmable in the sense that it can be told what baud rate to use, report rate and type of mouse to look like. There are 6 different protocols that it can be told to use (type of mouse to look like). Because the MS mouse is two buttons, it can also be told to look like a two button mouse, with the middle button acting like you pressed both of the outside buttons, at the same time. -- harvard-\ ihnp4--\ Mr. Video seismo!uwvax.......!nicmad!brown rutgers-/ decvax--/ terminus-/
braun@m10ux.UUCP (MHx7079 mh) (07/01/87)
I just came across a surplus AT+T PC7300 mouse, which is made by Logitech. I am trying to figure out how to modify it to be a general-purpose serial mouse. The cord has 5 wires: power, ground, shield, data input, and data output. (These were deduced by examination of the circuitry). When power is applied (5 volts), the output line emits a click after a second or so, and is then silent. Does anyone know what the data protocol and commands (and baud rate) are for a Logitech serial mouse? I assume that if I send it the right command byte(s) at the right baud rate (and signal levels), it will come alive, and send a continous stream of position data, and button events. By the way, the inside contains the ball and position sensors, the switches, a 28-pin DIP IC, a crystal, 2 transistors (the input and output drivers), and a few resistors and caps. Any references to magazine articles, etc., would also be handy. Doug Braun AT+T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ m10ux!braun 201 582-7039 -- Doug Braun AT+T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ m10ux!braun 201 582-7039
apn@nonvon.UUCP (apn) (07/02/87)
in article <224@m10ux.UUCP>, braun@m10ux.UUCP (MHx7079 mh) says: > > I just came across a surplus AT+T PC7300 mouse, which is made by Logitech. > I am trying to figure out how to modify it to be a general-purpose serial mouse. .... deleted.... easy..... call logitech and ask for a C7 mouse hardware tech manual it's free and will tell you all about it. the 28p part is a mot 68705 CPU.. -- UUCP: {ihnp4,ames,qantel,sun,seismo,amdahl,lll-crg,pyramid}!ptsfa!nonvon!apn {* Only those who attempt the absurd ... will achieve the impossible *} {* I think... I think it's in my basement... Let me go upstairs and check. *} {* -escher *}
dragon@oliveb.UUCP (Give me a quarter or I'll touch you) (07/02/87)
In article <535@nonvon.UUCP>, apn@nonvon.UUCP (apn) writes: > .... deleted.... > > it's free and will tell you all about it. the 28p part is a mot 68705 > CPU.. The older Logitech serial mice used the Motorola MC68705P3S, which is a CPU (8 bit) with EPROM. Seems later on Logitech went to a custom version of this chip, rather than programming an EPROM for each mouse. These chips have apparently gone through several revisions, too. I've found a local surplus store seems to have hundreds of boards and cases for Logitech mice, both serial and bus. They also have cables. Now if you can find a ball, and for the serial, the CPU chip... -- Dean Brunette {ucbvax,etc.}!hplabs!oliveb!olivej!dragon Olivetti Advanced Technology Center _____ _____ __|__ _____ 20300 Stevens Creek Blvd. | | _____| | | Cupertino, CA 95014 |_____| |_____| |__ |_____