tmm1@mtuxo.UUCP (T.MORGAN) (07/29/87)
[] I am looking for an IBM or PC6300 personal computer clone. I would like one with the following specifications. 1. CHEAP (less than $1000) 2. at least 512k of RAM 3. a color monitor and graphics card 4. 2 disk drives (I would love a 10-MB hard drive but I realize this may cost more) I am also looking for a cheap printer and modem to hook up to the computer. Used equipment is a possibility. Please e-mail me any information. Thanks. -- Tommy Morgan mtuxo!tmm1 ATT Lincroft NJ attmail!tmorgan
michael@ddsw1.UUCP (Michael Duebner) (07/31/87)
In article <341@mtuxo.UUCP>, tmm1@mtuxo.UUCP (T.MORGAN) writes: > I am looking for an IBM or PC6300 personal computer clone. > 1. CHEAP (less than $1000) > 2. at least 512k of RAM > 3. a color monitor and graphics card > 4. 2 disk drives (I would love a 10-MB hard drive but I realize this may > cost more) > -- > Tommy Morgan mtuxo!tmm1 > ATT Lincroft NJ attmail!tmorgan Please keep in mind that cheap is not always the best way to go. You do still get what you pay for and there is no free lunch. On the other hand there is a unit that you may want to consider. It is a Kamerman Labs unit that a few months ago sold for $999 including a monitor and display card and a 20 meg fixed disk. I sure hope it is of better constructions than some of the clones I have had the pleasure (?) to repair. -- Michael Duebner UUCP : ...ihnp4!ddsw1!michael (Help is only a phone call away for members of AERA)
leonard@bucket.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) (08/03/87)
In article <257@ddsw1.UUCP> michael@ddsw1.UUCP (Michael Duebner) writes:
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<On the other hand there is a unit that you may want to consider. It is a
<Kamerman Labs unit that a few months ago sold for $999 including a monitor
<and display card and a 20 meg fixed disk.
I do *not* recommend Kammerman Labs. I've been stuck with one of the three
we bought a while back.
First, while it has 1 meg on the motherboard, you can only partion it as
512k DOS memory, 512k extended (ie Ramdisk, for most of us) or as 640k
DOS, 0k extended. And if this wasn't enough of a nuisance, the jumper
that has to be changed to do this is located *under* the hard disk bay!
You have to take *motherboard* out of the case to get at it...
(and there are a couple other jumpers there too)
The machine is actually a Tatung TCS-7000. We also have several "Packard
Bell" machines that are identical to these once you remove the case.
--
Leonard Erickson ...!tektronix!reed!percival!bucket!leonard
CIS: [70465,203]
"I used to be a hacker. Now I'm a 'microcomputer specialist'.
You know... I'd rather be a hacker."pavlov@hscfvax.UUCP (840033@G.Pavlov) (08/03/87)
In article <257@ddsw1.UUCP>, michael@ddsw1.UUCP (Michael Duebner) writes: > In article <341@mtuxo.UUCP>, tmm1@mtuxo.UUCP (T.MORGAN) writes: > > I am looking for an IBM or PC6300 personal computer clone. > > 1. CHEAP (less than $1000) ..... etc .... > > Please keep in mind that cheap is not always the best way to go. You do > still get what you pay for and there is no free lunch. > > On the other hand there is a unit that you may want to consider. It is a > Kamerman Labs unit that a few months ago sold for $999 including a monitor > and display card and a 20 meg fixed disk. > I believe that Kammerman Labs is no longer in business... Yes, you get what you pay for. But what you get may not be what you want or need ( what percentage of an IBM micro's cost is due strictly to the name on the name plate ? I am not knocking IBM, but I do not need the "security" of their name either). greg pavlov, fstrf, amherst, ny.
root@hobbes.UUCP (08/03/87)
These are the results of a survey I did while looking for an AT system for our
department. I contacted these companies:
Company Abbreviation Phone Contact
Advanced Logic Research ALR 714 581-6770
American Micro Tech AMT 800 338-7110 Allen Hodjot
Computer Classifieds Inc CCI 800 331-5151 Bob
Capitol Micro CM 608 222-7674 Mike
Integrated Micro Systems IMS 800 247-3084 Brenda (#222)
CompuAdd CA 800 624 4025 Byron
Kellco Kellco 800 323 3244 Greg
PC'S Limited PCLtd 800 426-5150
and asked for a system which consisted of:
80286 or 80386 CPU
Faster than 8 Mhz
Amber Monitor
Herc. compat video card
1.2Meg Floppy
360K floppy
40Meg 1/2 height hard disk
Old Style AT keyboard (function keys on left side, not on top)
Company CPU Speed Wait Memory Ser/Par Price Comments
------- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------- ----- -----------------------
PCltd 80386 16 0 1M Static 2/2 $4535 12 Month Service
AMT 80386 16 0 1M/4M 1/2 $3395
CCI 1 80386 14.5 0 640K/3M 2/1 $3320 20 MHZ avail, 3MB=+$500
CM 80286 15 1 1M 1/1 $3200
ALR 80286 12 0 1MB (80ns) 1/2 $2695 No monitor/video or 360K
Kellco 80286 12 0 1M 1/1 $3154 Includes P&H
CCI 1 80286 12/6 0 640K/3M 2/1 $2820 upgd to 386 +$800
CM 80286 12 1 1M 1/1 $2700
PCltd 2 80286 12/6 0 1M 2/2 $2829 12 Month Service
CA 80286 12 1 1M 1/1 $2518 Incl DOS 3.1 & P&H
AMT 3 80286 12/8 1 640K/1M 1/2 $2100 Atronics motherboard
IMS 80286 10 1 1M 1/1 $2079 Room for only 1 FH HD
CA 80286 10 1 1M 1/1 $2018 Includes DOS 3.1 & P&H
Kellco 80286 10 0 640K/1M 1/1 $1999 1M = +$50 Includes P&H
PCltd 80286 8/6 0 1M 2/2 $2269 12 Month Service
(1) CCI has a system which puts the CPU on a card which plugs into the bus.
This allows the same system to be upgraded from a 286 to a 386 very
easily. BUT: InfoWorld rated it (July 27, 1987) "poor mechanical
design, uneven manual"
(2) System Bus the same speed as the processor - could mean compat problems
(3) We ended up getting this system and were a bit supprised:
The manual was an uncredited photocopy of the copyright IBM Setup and
Installation manual - The IBM's were pasted over with AMTs everywhere
except the pictures!
They shipped the system with a bootleg copy of PC-DOS on the hard
disk (ibm*.com and many copies of command.com - no utilities!)
The AMT advanced diagnostics disk they provided is a copy of the
IBM PC advanced diagnostics - it even has the IBM copyright!
The ads claimed that it ran at 12/8 Mhz; the unit received ran at
12/6 Mhz.
At 12Mhz it gives 7.8 on the Norton SI rating (I know it means nothing)
but my 10Mhz 1 wait state Everex motherboard clocks in at 10.1! (In
contrast, a 6Mhz AT comes in at 5.8)
Their tech support is really bad. I don't think I could recomend them.
Of the avaliable 286 motherboards, the Everex ones are by far better than
the Atronics ones! (Everex offers 10-0, 10-1 systems, Atronics only a 10-1)
In retrospect, I almost wish we had gone with Kellco - their 10 Mhz 0 ws
machine just has to be faster than the AMT!
If you are considering a highre preformance AT, look at the July 27, 1987 issue
of Info World - they review a bunch of high end 286 systems.
-John
PS: Remember, your mileage may vary, void where taxed or prohibited by law...
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John Plocher uwvax!geowhiz!uwspan!plocher plocher%uwspan.UUCP@uwvax.CS.WISC.EDU