johnk@auscso.UUCP (John Knutson) (09/08/87)
Does anyone know if a half-height hard disk will mount inside a zenith
z-150's floppy drive housing (internal on floppy and "fixed" - some may
find THAT term objectionable too :-)?
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John Knutson {ihnp4,allegra,ut-sally}!ut-ngp!auscso!johnk
(please do NOT mail to knutson6 anymore)
Communicating, like in the good ol' days.phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) (09/08/87)
In article <255@auscso.UUCP> johnk@auscso.UUCP (John Knutson) writes: >Does anyone know if a half-height hard disk will mount inside a zenith >z-150's floppy drive housing (internal on floppy and "fixed" - some may >find THAT term objectionable too :-)? Yes. I installed a 20M Seagate drive in my Z-150 with no difficulties. In fact, there is (just barely) room to put a half-height hard disk beneath the two standard floppy drives. If you do that, I think you need to split one of the power feeds to the floppies and direct the other, unsplit, power feed to the hard disk. I don't know why anyone would need two floppy drives when there's a hard disk installed, though. -- John Miller (ecsvax!phco) Dept. of Pharmacology, Univ. of N.C.-Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 27514 (919) 966-4343
bobmon@iucs.UUCP (RAMontante [condition that I not be identified]) (09/09/87)
If the z-150 has the same form factors as the z-158 (and I'm fairly sure it does) then a half-height hard-drive will fit UNDER the floppy drives. Thus, I have three drives in my machine. Or the half-height drive can (physically) take the place of a floppy drive.
mvolo@ecsvax.UUCP (Michael R. Volow) (09/09/87)
In article <3838@ecsvax.UUCP>, phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) writes: > In article <255@auscso.UUCP> johnk@auscso.UUCP (John Knutson) writes: > >Does anyone know if a half-height hard disk will mount inside a zenith > >z-150's floppy drive housing (internal on floppy and "fixed" - some may > >find THAT term objectionable too :-)? > > Yes. I installed a 20M Seagate drive in my Z-150 with no difficulties. > other, unsplit, power feed to the hard disk. I don't know why anyone > would need two floppy drives when there's a hard disk installed, though. Even in a HD machine two floppies can be helpful in doing multiple diskcopies between floppies or can speed up HD backup (e.g. Fastback using floppies A: and B:). --Mike Volow, Psychiatry, Durham Veterans Administration Medical Center Durham, NC, 27712 919 383 3568 mvolo@ecsvax.UUCP
sehr@uicsrd.UUCP (09/09/87)
The Zenith 150 also allows the installation of a hard disk under the floppy drives. I installed one there and have never had any problems with it. David
parker@epiwrl.EPI.COM (Alan Parker) (09/09/87)
I have a half-height hard disk in a z-150. Works just fine. On some drives (I've had several) you have to remove the front bezel to get it to fit the lower section and leave room for two diskette drives. I got it from Micro Design International (in Fla somewhere). They adverstise in Byte and other mags.
johnk@auscso.UUCP (John Knutson) (09/16/87)
In article <3838@ecsvax.UUCP> phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) writes: >would need two floppy drives when there's a hard disk installed, though. First, my machine originally came with the two floppies. Second, i'd like to see YOU put 73 megs or more worth of floppies onto a 20meg HD. I have over 200 floppies (200*360*1024=~73megs) so there's no WAY one hd isn't going to do any good. besides, even if i only had one floppy, the main reason for getting the hd in the first place was to have the extra storage and the extra drive for applications that require much more than I've got. -- John Knutson {ihnp4,allegra,ut-sally}!ut-ngp!auscso!johnk (please do NOT mail to knutson6 anymore) Communicating, like in the good ol' days.
gof@crash.CTS.COM (Jerry Fountain) (09/16/87)
In article <3838@ecsvax.UUCP> phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) writes: >Yes. I installed a 20M Seagate drive in my Z-150 with no difficulties. >In fact, there is (just barely) room to put a half-height hard disk >beneath the two standard floppy drives. If you do that, I think you >need to split one of the power feeds to the floppies and direct the >other, unsplit, power feed to the hard disk. I don't know why anyone >would need two floppy drives when there's a hard disk installed, though. >-- > John Miller (ecsvax!phco) > Dept. of Pharmacology, Univ. of N.C.-Chapel Hill > Chapel Hill, NC 27514 (919) 966-4343 I have also been considering this move but I was worried about 1 thing. The Seagate drives tend to put out a *LOT* of heat. Mounting the drive under the floppies leaves little (if any) room for air cooling. Anyone know, in general , what this will end up doing? Also, did anyone wire up a new LED to watch for drive activity? -- -----Jerry Fountain----- UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd,sdcsvax,nosc}!crash!pnet01!gof ARPA: crash!gof@nosc.mil MAIL: 523 Glen Oaks Dr., Alpine, Calif. 92001 INET: gof@pnet01.CTS.COM
phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) (09/16/87)
In article <336@auscso.UUCP> johnk@auscso.UUCP (John Knutson) writes: >In article <3838@ecsvax.UUCP> phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) writes: >>would need two floppy drives when there's a hard disk installed, though. > >First, my machine originally came with the two floppies. Second, i'd >like to see YOU put 73 megs or more worth of floppies onto a 20meg HD. >I have over 200 floppies (200*360*1024=~73megs) so there's no WAY one hd >isn't going to do any good. besides, even if i only had one floppy, the >main reason for getting the hd in the first place was to have the extra >storage and the extra drive for applications that require much more than >I've got. I don't quite get your point. Obviously, you're not going to get all of your 73 megs on one 20meg HD. You're not going to get them in two floppy drives simultaneously, either. My point was that, if you have a hard disk, your most likely situation would be to have programs and data residing on the hard disk and then use a floppy drive for importing and exporting programs and/or data. Having two floppies makes it slightly easier to copy one floppy to another, but if you regularly need to use a hard disk AND TWO floppies, it sounds like you probably need a larger hard disk or another hard disk instead of the second floppy drive. Floppy disk i/o is so slow in comparison to hard disk i/o that it makes little sense to use floppies for any disk intensive work. Better yet, use a battery-backed-up ram disk for routine mass storage and a removable cartridge for archival purposes. -- John Miller (ecsvax!phco) Dept. of Pharmacology, Univ. of N.C.-Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 27514 (919) 966-4343
dmimi@ecsvax.UUCP (Miriam Clifford) (09/17/87)
In article <1721@crash.CTS.COM>, gof@crash.CTS.COM (Jerry Fountain) writes: > In article <3838@ecsvax.UUCP> phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) writes: > >Yes. I installed a 20M Seagate drive in my Z-150 with no difficulties. > Seagate drives tend to put out a *LOT* of heat. Mounting the drive under the > , what this will end up doing? > > Also, did anyone wire up a new LED to watch for drive activity? I have had a 20 meg seagate in my z-158 for a year now, and I know others who did the same thing a couple of years ago. Have had no trouble with heat. No one I know, however, has put in an LED so drive activity can be monitored. I do miss seeing that little light--
dmimi@ecsvax.UUCP (Miriam Clifford) (09/17/87)
In article <3871@ecsvax.UUCP>, phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) writes: > In article <336@auscso.UUCP> johnk@auscso.UUCP (John Knutson) writes: > >In article <3838@ecsvax.UUCP> phco@ecsvax.UUCP (John Miller) writes: > >>would need two floppy drives when there's a hard disk installed, though. > > > . . . Having > two floppies makes it slightly easier to copy one floppy to another, > but if you regularly need to use a hard disk AND TWO floppies, it sounds > like you probably need a larger hard disk or another hard disk instead > The addition of two hard drives sounds great--but I got a two floppy, one hard disk machine for about $30 more than a single floppy, one hard disk machine would have cost. Two floppies can be very useful--in addition to the ease of copying from one floppy (say a factory disk) to another (for backup), one can easily set up backup for data in two different organizations by copying one set of data to two each of two different sets of backup disks. For example, in transcribing hospital reports, we keep one set on the hard disk, organized by the MD doing the report (i.e., each MDs reports go into his/her own directory), one set of reports with all the reports done on one day on one floppy, and reports from each resident/intern each onto his/her own floppy. The floppies are useful because they are tranferred to other machines/people that way, for their storage. My description doesn't sound as easy as the process actually is-- Ah well.