bear@spl1.UUCP (Harry Skelton) (12/18/87)
Volume 1 - Issue 1 - 12/17/87 Author - Harry Skelton
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The Binary News Letter covers issues pertaining to the IBM-PC
and other PC compatables. The main issues covered are 'public
domain' software and questions in regards to any available MS-DOS
based software.
Information in this news letter is obtained from direct sources
and user observation on the problems covered in this issue. Authorship
and is Copyright (C) 1987 by Harry Skelton.
INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT DECLARED AS ACCURATE NOR SHALL
ANY PARTY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM THE USE OF SAID
INFORMATION. IT IS UP TO THE READER OF THIS DOCUMENT TO INSURE THAT
ALL PRECAUTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN BEFORE THE USE OF ANY INFORMATION
CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
The use of copyrighted information in this document, such as trade
marks, software or hardware information, and the like, are used as
general public information and are assumed to be public knowledge.
Information contained in this document does not reflect the opinion
of any company or person(s) unless directly stated.
Messages recieved by any party will be considered public information
and the sender is responsible for it's content.
Harry Skelton reserves the right to edit any message received in
order to protect copyright information.
All messages will be posted.
Send messages and / or articles to:
{insert major backbone and systems here}!spl1!bear
(WAS laidbak!guardian)
Volume 1 - Issue 1 - 11/25/87 Author - Harry Skelton
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Contents:
From the Sysop..................................................Page 1
NMI (New Mail Incomming)........................................Page 2
/usr/binaries - Information on software selection...............Page 14
UPLOAD Upcomming Software.......................................Page 16
Unvalidated Software............................................Page 17
The Pirate List.................................................Page 17
The Hot Line....................................................Page 17
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From the SYSOP
Since I requested to become the moderator of the comp.binaries.ibm.pc
group, I have received a lot of comments and calls on the matter.
Below is the electronic mail from several sites for votes on the
issue.
Some have asked that I not post newsletters in comp.binaries.ibm.pc
so I think that a good group to post them to is comp.sys.ibm.pc.
Later I will post a full listing of software that will be docked
for uploading and also software that I am trying to get the author
verified so I can post it.
If you have something to post, please be sure you have ALL the information
as to the author so I may contact him/her and get a formal release to
post the information.
I will document all findings as to author response on the posting of
PD software.
All software posted by me in this newsgroup will be verified !
NO PIRATE SOFTWARE! (Sorry guys..a court room is not my idea of a
good office for a programmer.)
Comment on progs posted should be e-mailed rather than posted.
General comments and fixes should be e-mailed and findings will be
posted as a digest to comp.sys.ibm.pc (since no .d group exists for
the binaries and I don't want to flood the net with requests or questions).
About the first of the year or just after Christmas, I will be placing
a formal control message to have this group officially moderated. I must
first see how things go and get my machine established.
I wish to thank you for your support!
Harry Skelton
bear@spl1.UUCP (was guardian@laidbak.UUCP )
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The Far Seek ... Tales from the bad sector.
"Harry said he was going to stay late to fix a program called Jack or something
but all we found, officer, was some notes with 'Elizibeth' scrawled all
over them, an axe, and some polorids of a troll or something."
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*** The following mail is from users who have cast their votes in regards
to my moderation of the group - comp.binaries.ibm.pc. I hope this will
be suffice to enable my moderation. ***
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From ihnp4!hoqax!twb Wed Nov 11 20:15:12 1987
Subject: Re: Posting for new moderator - comp.binaries.ibm.pc
You get my vote for moderator.
Sounds like you're in a position to supply valuable postings to the
Usenet community.
I'm not sure what the procedure is for determining a new Moderator.
I'll watch the discussion.
Tom Beattie
ihnp4!hoqaa!twb
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From: Jim Gillogly <ihnp4!randvax!jim%markle>
Subject: Re: Posting for new moderator - comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: Banzai Institute
Thanks! I'll look forward to your editorship.
--
Jim Gillogly
{hplabs, ihnp4}!sdcrdcf!randvax!jim
jim@rand-unix.arpa [HASA: U (Spam) division]
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Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: The Software Public Library, Inc. Chicago, IL
From: spl1!raj (Robert Alan Johnson)
You get my vote!
Bob
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From ihnp4!whuts!dab Tue Nov 24 12:00:18 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Go for it!!, sounds like you got the stuff needed for the job!!
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Cogito Ergo Zoom
Chaste makes waste
"Intelligence without character is a dangerous thing" (G. Steinem)
Dave B. (no relation to Adam West) {ihnp4,allegra,ulysses}!whuts!dab
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From ihnp4!ihlpa!fmb Tue Nov 24 12:00:29 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
I would like to cast my vote for you
Fernando Botelho
ihnp4!ihlpa!fmb
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From ihnp4!ihlpl!dshwang Tue Nov 24 12:00:56 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Harry:
I vote for you to be the new moderator in comp.binaries.ibm.pc
newsgroup.
BTW, I am relatively new in the net. I have seen many uuencoded
codes being posted. I can uudecode and download them to my pc (6300).
So far I couldn't make any of them to work. My understanding is that
I have to deARC it before I run it. Can you send me a copy of ARC and
deARC program? Or can you give me any advice on how to run those
uuencoded program?
Thank you.
Dennis Hwang ATT Bell Labs
ihnp4!ihlpl!dshwang (312)416-7202
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From ihnp4!pegasus!avi Tue Nov 24 12:03:27 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: AT&T-IS Labs, Lincroft, NJ
You have my vote for moderator. You asked for specific software requests.
I would love to see the latest microemacs that was posted on the net recently
available already compiled for the PC. All the source is useless if you
don't have the right compilers, and is painful even if you do.
--
Avi E. Gross @ AT&T (201) 576-6241 pegasus!avi or attmail!avigross
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From ihnp4!ihuxy!vg55611 Tue Nov 24 12:01:25 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
You have my vote (with thanks) !
Could we also make a reasonable effort to ensure that all postings are
accompanied by documentation ?
Venu P. Gopal
ihnp4!ihuxy!vg55611
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From spl1!eiibank!robby Tue Nov 24 14:02:55 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: Beatrice Company
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Well, you have my vote.
-Robby
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Robby Kates
...ihnp4!eiibank!robby Beatrice Corporate Headquarters, Chicago
"...and a lover who looks straaaaangly, like Time the Avenga..." -CH-
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From: sun!wlbr.eaton.com!voder!tmb (Thomas Baird)
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: Eaton IMS, Westlake Village, CA
Go for it - you got my VOTE
...tom
From ihnp4!mhuxt!homxb!mtuxo!mtgzz!mtgzy!norm Tue Nov 24 20:30:07 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
OK, I hereby cast my vote for Harry Skelton, aka ihnp4!laidbak!guardian, of
Lachman Associates, to be moderator of the USENET group comp.binaries.ibm.pc.
Speaking solely for myself,
I am:
Norm Andrews
AT&T Information Systems
Room MT-2C402
200 Laurel Avenue
Middletown, New Jersey 07748
(201)957-5786
vax135!mtuxo!mtgzy!norm
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From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!hao.ucar.edu!ames!sdcsvax!net1.UCSD.EDU!todd (Todd Goodman)
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: UCSD Network Operations Group
Count this as a yes vote for your moderation of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.
Todd Goodman
todd@net1.ucsd.edu
...!{ihnp4|ucbvax}!sdcsvax!net1!todd
From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!hao.UCAR.EDU!ames!Sun.COM!amdcad!hamie (Ham Nguyen (Anh Yeu Dau))
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Harry,
Please count me in as a vote for you.
thx ham
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From ihnp4!pegasus!hansen Tue Nov 24 23:54:46 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: AT&T-IS Labs, Lincroft, NJ
I'm all for moderation of the comp.binaries.ibm.pc newsgroup. I'd like to
make the following suggestions, however.
< 3) All letters recieved will be edited and posted in a news letter
< to the group. This will cut down on a multitude of requests for
< software or software related questions.
I suggest (very strongly) that you just redirect letters to another group
and not post them at all to comp.binaries.ibm.pc. This way all that comes
across to the group will be binaries.
< 1) I have about 20 megs of progs and have access to well over 200 meg of
< P.D. code for the IBM-PC/MS-DOS machines.
Considering the amount of traffic coming across the net, I don't think that
the net could handle a large portion of that amount. I suggest that the
amount posted to the net per week be kept to a constant amount.
< 5) ARCing may or may not be performed on certain copies of the software
< in order to allow users to deal with the data transfer as they wish.
< From time to time, I will post a version of ARC suitable for the net
< purposes.
I fully support using arc on all binary postings. ASCII postings would be
better done using shar format.
Tony Hansen
ihnp4!pegasus!hansen, attmail!tony
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From amdahl!uunet!peregrine!imt3b2!imtsft Wed Nov 25 03:21:47 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: IMT Inc., Mission Viejo, CA.
Yes
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Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
From: ihnp4!cimcor!mike (Michael Grenier)
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Sounds good to me.
ihnp4!meccts!cimcor!mike
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From: ihnp4!lll-lcc!csustan!polyslo!sutedjok (Sukanto Tedjokusuma)
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407
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I fully support you as the new moderator of Comp.binaries.ibm.pc.
Good luck!
--sukanto
=========================== Sukanto Tedjokusuma ===========================
California Polytechnic State Univ. 106 Mustang Dr. #203,
...!uunet!lll-winken!csustan!polyslo!sutedjok San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
...!{ihnp4,hplabs}!csun!polyslo!sutedjok (805) 546-9131
From ihnp4!mhuxt!homxb!mtuxo!mtgzz!mtgzy!whc Wed Nov 25 10:44:19 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Middletown NJ
Yes, I am casting another vote of support for the new
moderator. I've been benefit from this group's posting
for a long time and I am glad someone is taking over this
newsgroup again.
Thanks.
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From ihnp4!cbosgd!osu-cis!apr!las Wed Nov 25 15:58:30 1987
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 12:53:42 est
From: ihnp4!apr!las (Larry Shurr)
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Organization: APR, Columbus, OH
Cc:
Status: OR
Obviously I don't represent everyone, but this group needs a moderator. You
seem to be in a position to carry out the task and to have the ability,
resources, and motivation to do the job. You have my support (such as it is).
regards, Larry
--
"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
- Oscar Wilde, James Whistler or George Bernard Shaw depending on who you ask
Name: Larry A. Shurr (cbosgd!osu-cis!apr!las or try {cbosgd,ihnp4}!cbcp1!las)
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From sun!pyramid!utai!dalcs!aucs!840411s Wed Nov 25 16:47:46 1987
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 14:24:41 AST
From: sun!aucs!840411s (Black Widow)
Message-Id: <8711251824.AA17798@aucs.UUCP>
To: dalcs!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Acadia Univ., Nova Scotia
Cc:
Status: OR
Yes, I think you would be a fine moderator.
--
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"My god, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker!" - Bones
From sun!decwrl!decvax!genrad!jpn Wed Nov 25 16:47:08 1987
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 10:37:51 est
From: sun!decwrl!decvax!genrad!jpn (John P. Nelson)
Message-Id: <8711241537.AA21696@teddy.UUCP>
To: sun!genrad!sun!laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Organization: GenRad, Inc., Concord, Mass.
Status: OR
> VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
A resounding YES! I don't think a vote is even necessary. If you are
willing to pick up the load, you are IT!
I was tempted to volunteer, myself, because I get quite a bit of utility
out of the net. However, I decided that I just couldn't afford the time.
I hope you don't begin to find it a burden.
Good Luck,
John P. Nelson
decvax!genrad!teddy!jpn
mit-eddie!genrad!teddy!jpn
ARPA!talcott!panda!teddy!jpn
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From sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!kotlas Wed Nov 25 20:08:03 1987
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 08:29:16 est
From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!kotlas (Carolyn M. Kotlas)
Message-Id: <8711241329.AA04430@ecsvax.UUCP>
To: laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
News-Path: mcnc!rutgers!husc6!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!laidbak!guardian
References: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Status: OR
As MS-DOS software librarian for our organization, I appreciate the
hard job you are volunteering for. You've got my vote, for whatever
it's worth. It's a nasty job, but someone's got to do it ;->
--Carolyn
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Carolyn Kotlas (kotlas@ecsvax.UUCP or kotlas@ecsvax.BITNET)
University of North Carolina - Educational Computing Service
Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709
From numusic!nucsrl!mcdchg.uucp!heiby Wed Nov 25 20:26:13 1987
To: laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Organization: Motorola Microcomputer, Schaumburg, IL
Message-Id: <8711251654.AA18130@mcdchg.UUCP>
Date: 25 Nov 87 16:54:59 CST (Wed)
From: Ron Heiby <numusic!mcdchg!heiby>
Status: OR
Sounds good to me!
--
Ron Heiby, heiby@mcdchg.UUCP Moderator: comp.newprod & comp.unix
"Intel architectures build character."
From sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!jmt Wed Nov 25 21:37:28 1987
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 10:28:04 est
From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!jmt (Jerry M. Trott)
Message-Id: <8711241528.AA06271@ecsvax.UUCP>
To: laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Cc:
Status: OR
I'll vote yes. Let's get the binaries going again!
-Jerry Trott
UNC-ECS
jmt@ecsvax.UUCP
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From sun!hplabs!rutgers!cit-vax!oxy!bagpiper Wed Nov 25 21:37:37 1987
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Date: 24 Nov 87 07:48:46 PST
From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!cit-vax!oxy!bagpiper (Michael Paul Hunter)
Message-Id: <608@oxy.uucp>
To: hplabs!sun!laidbak!guardian
Status: OR
Go for it.
From sun!hplabs!rutgers!topaz.rutgers.edu!msmith Wed Nov 25 23:11:23 1987
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 13:24:09 EST
From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!topaz.rutgers.edu!msmith (Mark Robert Smith)
Message-Id: <8711241824.AA20907@topaz.rutgers.edu>
To: hplabs!sun!laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Keywords: moderator source code pc msdos ibm
In-Reply-To: USENET article <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Status: OR
I vote yes, but make sure you have good connecitons. ncoast
notoriously had trouble getting to some sites.
Mark
--
Mark Smith (alias Smitty) "Be careful when looking into the distance,
RPO 1604, CN 5063 that you do not miss what is right under your nose."
New Brunswick, NJ 08903 {backbone}!rutgers!topaz.rutgers.edu!msmith
msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu {backbone}!rutgers!unirot!msmith
From sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!mvolo Thu Nov 26 01:37:28 1987
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 22:25:40 est
From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!mvolo (Michael R. Volow)
Message-Id: <8711250325.AA14037@ecsvax.UUCP>
To: laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
News-Path: mcnc!rutgers!husc6!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!laidbak!guardian
References: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Status: OR
One vote in favor of continued existence of comp.binaries.ibm.pc and
for your assuming the moderatorship of the group. Good luck.
--Mike Volow, Psychiatry, Durham Veterans Administration Medical Center
Durham, NC, 27712 919 383 3568
mvolo@ecsvax.UUCP
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From amdahl!ames!ut-sally!utastro!hgcjr Thu Nov 26 03:53:43 1987
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 18:41:58 CST
From: ames!ut-sally!utastro!hgcjr (Harold G. Corwin Jr.)
Posted-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 18:41:58 CST
Message-Id: <8711260041.AA27703@astro.as.utexas.edu>
To: ames!amdahl!laidbak!guardian
Status: OR
Harry,
Re: VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
etc.
Sounds good to me. I vote for you.
It'll be good to get some decent stuff back on the net again. I
especially like the idea of posting the bulletin board directories.
I haven't made much use of BB's thus far since I haven't found a local
one that keeps up with the latest shareware. I'm sure it's there --
I just haven't found it yet.
Good luck!
Harold
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Harold G. Corwin, Jr.
UUCP: {allegra,ihnp4}!{noao,ut-sally}!utastro!hgcjr
Internet: hgcjr@astro.AS.UTEXAS.EDU MaBell: 512-471-7463
Astronomy Dept., RLM 15.308, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712-1083
From sun!hplabs!rutgers!dale.acc.virginia.edu!gjh Thu Nov 26 04:46:07 1987
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 15:00:06 EST
From: Galen Hekhuis <sun!hplabs!rutgers!dale.acc.virginia.edu!gjh>
Reply-To: sun!hplabs!rutgers!dale.acc.virginia.edu!gjh
To: laidbak!guardian
Status: OR
To: guardian@laidbak.UUCP
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Organization: University of Va., Charlottesville, VA
Cc:
Yeah, or sure, or yes, or whatever it takes to vote YES.
(and thanks for taking the trouble, and donating the time!)
--
"He is not rowing with a full deck of cards" gjh@virginia.UUCP
Galen Hekhuis, UVa Medical Center gjh@virginia.BITNET
Box 449, Jordan MEB, Charlottesville, VA 22908 (804) 924-0172
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From amdahl!drivax!frotz Thu Nov 26 07:45:45 1987
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 17:39:12 pst
From: Frotz <drivax!frotz>
Message-Id: <8711260139.AA02870@drivax>
To: amdahl!laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Organization: Digital Research, Inc., Monterey, California
Cc:
Status: OR
I vote YES! Sorry to see Brandon leave, but would be glad to
have you onboard to straighten out the mess that the IBM groups
have become (as far as binaries are concerned, of course).
Frotz
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Digital Research, Incorporated amdahl!drivax!frotz
70 Garden Court, B28 (408) 649-3896
Monterey, California 93940 Ask for John Fa'atuai
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From: Jeff Forys <sun!decwrl!ucbvax!ucbcad!boulder.UUCP!sigi!forys>
To: laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Vote: yes
You sound like you know what you're asking for ...err, doing.
While I dont read the group, it should have a moderator, you
have my vote for moderator of "comp.binaries.ibm.pc".
Jeff Forys
(forys@boulder.Colorado.EDU)
From spl1!ll1a!nesac2!jec Mon Nov 30 10:01:24 1987
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 87 10:01:48 CST
Message-Id: <8711301601.AA22660@laidbak.laichi.uucp>
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
If you're willing to take on the hassles and frustrations of
moderating that much traffic, I wish you well (and a large bottle of
Maalox :-)
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Video: ...ihnp4!cuea2!ltuxa!ll1!nesac2!jec Voice: 404+951-4642
(The above views are my very own. How dare you question them? :-)
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From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!mahendo.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!ames!elroy!jplgodo!trwrb!dwu (Daniel Wu)
To: trwrb!scgvaxd!wlbr!jplgodo!mahendo!elroy!ames!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
Organization: TRW SDS, Redondo Beach, CA
Go for it Harry! Do it! DO it! Do it!
You've certainly got my vote. It's about time somebody took over that poor
neglected newsgroup.
Good luck. (I'm sure you'll come through).
Daniel
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From sun!elxsi!len Mon Nov 30 18:11:28 1987
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 87 15:17:08 pst
From: sun!elxsi!len (Len Mills)
Message-Id: <8711302317.AA17859@elxsi.UUCP>
To: sun!laidbak!guardian
Subject: Vote
Status: OR
One vote in the affirmative for guardian as moderator.
From sun!portal!cup.portal.com!Mark_G_Woodruff Wed Dec 2 12:06:17 1987
To: laidbak!guardian
Subject: sys.ibm.pc.binaries
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Date: Wed Dec 2 02:45:38 1987
Message-Id: <8712020245.1.7256@cup.portal.com>
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You sound like a fine moderator. You have my vote.
Mark_G_Woodruff@cup.portal.COM -or- sun!cup.portal.com!mark.g.woodruff
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From sun!hplabs!tektronix!tekgvs.TEK.COM!keithe Sat Dec 5 07:09:33 1987
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 87 14:08:35 PST
From: sun!hplabs!tektronix!tekgvs.TEK.COM!keithe (Keith Ericson)
Message-Id: <8712022208.AA02943@tekgvs.TEK.COM>
To: laidbak!guardian
Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc
In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP>
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
Cc:
Status: OR
Like, hey, dude: the job's yers, fer shure!
keith
[ Nuff said ]
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A Subject of Software Selection
Software selection for the group comp.binaries.ibm.pc
by Harry Skelton
Just to give you some insite as to why I did not stand up on
December 2, 1987 and say "I am now the binary moderator". As
you know, legal matters into what is copyright software and
public domain have been a major issue in almost any environment.
This problem has also affected my selection process of software
for this group.
Since I work for a computer consulting firm, the issue did reach
management, both by USENET and by others from within the firm. In
order to calm the rising tide, I had to make certain arrangements
for this group and to also make sure that USENET was not in danger.
The following are the rules. No exceptions.
1) All software must by copyrighted or source must be included if
title of 'public domain' is to be stamped apon the software.
Copyrighted software and 'public domain' software must also
pass all other rules mentioned.
2) All software will be verified by several means:
a) Hand signed document stating that the software is available
for public and free release. The end user will be the one
that must deal with any 'shareware' software and will not be
the duty of the net to provide support of the product. In
regards to 'free release', the information for such a release
must also be included in the original license or in an ammended
license. This will be on file with me.
b) Phone contact and verification of such an agreement will be made.
Some software can be released on phone call alone. If any questions
come up then a hand signed document will be required. If the
software is shareware or the like, then a document will be required
with it as well.
c) Software pre-testing will be performed on the software to insure
userbility and help to provide for data security. i.e. no
trojans ( obstinance is always the best measure (sorry for the
pun)).
d) Various system run: Test for clone compatability and EGA abilities.
LIM/EMS will not be tested. Clock speeds will also be used in
testing.
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3) Post a notice of software upload one month prior to posting. Should
any party object to the posting of the software, it will not be posted.
If the party is the creator of the software, the software will be
removed and placed on the Pirate or Hot lists. If a net user has
an objection to the software posting, a question will be posted to the
group to see those in favor of it's posting and those against. Majority
be the ruling party.
A letter will be sent to the copyright holder of the software to
notify intent of posting and to verify agreement for public release.
4) Apon posting, A copy of the agreement will be posted along with the
software mentioned. A letter will be send to the copyright holder
to notify that the software was posted and on what date the posting
occurred. This will be the only notice to the copyright holder.
Postings by other users will not be permited or the user will be
the one held accountable for any legal problems. I do not wish
to extend myself into a legal battle.
5) Software found to be of a non-public-domain nature will be listed as
a 'Pirate' if modified to run unprotected or copied without copyright
holder consent. Software declared 'shareware' but not officially
released public domain will be considered 'Hot'. This will also
apply to software released public-domain but without the legal
documents to secure the software as public-domain. (i.e. license does
not contain any reference to public domain.
Although this sounds like a pile of hipe and may bother some members of
the net, it is vital to keep software security. I, like many other
users, value my job security and legal rights. It is not my wish to
get into a fight over what is postable or not. I'm sure that many
companies will feal secure in knowing that the software they are
downloading is legal and secured.
However, it is not my duty to say that a program is better than
another, only that it works and is secured. Should I have any
problems with legal issues on a software product, I will not
post it. If I can get security in posting the software as a public
and free release, then I will do so and the end user must be the
one to follow any other license restrictions that may be part of
the software. This would be true with 'shareware' software.
I hope the users of this group will understand the nature of data
security and legal security. I do not wish to complicate problems
for the end user or for this group. I will do most if not all of the
front end work for you. Software will be collected from various sites
as well as from user postings. I will try to fill any requests and
will document the status of each request.
Unlike your local BBS, we cannot afford to take chances.
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Since I am staring out, currently there is no software benched for
release. I hope to have some software available soon and will make
every effort to fill all requests.
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Unvalidated Software..................................................
RYBBS - The Greg Ryan BBS system
A programmable BBS system unlike any you have ever seen. Written
in Pascal and Assembler, this program will allow for the 'sysop'
to custom create a BBS system to his/her needs. Scripts are used
for the logic (the sysop program menus and such) and are written
in a database/structure language.
HDDIAG - a diagnostic tool and disk formatter.
Hard disk diagnostics and low level hard disk formats with various
interleave factors and sector verification.
The Pirate List........................................................
CUBIT - Softlogic's (on-the-fly) disk squeezer and space saver
Hacked and released through [ person's name deleted ] in Canada.
Some versions are said to contain a trojan that after running will
cause problems with the file allocation table. Some versions do
work like the original product.
DOUBLEDOS - Softlogic's dual dos product
Latest hacked version is 'U'. I have yet to see a version newer since
Softlogic has placed traps in their programs against pirates.
JFORMAT - Tall Tree Systems
A great product but not public-domain (see back issues of the net
information comp.sys.ibm.pc). It is possible to check to see if
it could be release but unlikely.
MOONBUGS - Windmill Software
The game of MOONBUGS - hacked and released. Hacker unknown (yet).
Yeager's Flight Simulator - Hacked by the Software Pirates.
This is the real thing but in copiable form. Some releases of the
hacked version are in 'snatchit' form.
More information to follow on .....
PCTOOLS, NORTON UTILITIES, XTREE, 1DIR, STARGATE, ZORK series games,
PINBALL CONSTRUCTION SET, DESMET 'C' COMPILER, and others....
The Hot Line...........................................................
This section will contain information about national BBS listings and
various PC goings on around the country. No informaion available yet.
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In closing:
Please do not forward your mail to ...!laidbak!guardian but please
direct them to The Software Public Library - ...!spl1!bear.
Many thanks...
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The Far Seek ... Tales from the bad sector.
As Harry works on changes to the spellbook,
his wife works on the newest modification to the game,
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It is possible that SOFTGUARD SYSTEMS has released a trojan onto local BBS
systems. (as reported by the FIDO news letter). I am currently checking into
this and will be talking to Softguard about this matter.
For you users of Double Dos (Copyright by Softlogic Systems), I would advise
to get a new copy or upgrade to the unprotected versions.
BTW: The software is reported to unprotect 3.0 and greater software. This
program will erase your disk but keep the FAT (so I am told).
...News at 11....
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There is word that a compnay is currently looking into the DOS-OS market.
I heard the company was looking into creation of a DOS work-a-like OS
to support us DOS system users. (PC-DOS that is...). Although I could not
get more information from the guy I talked to, he did say if everything
goes well that we could be seeing a 'version 4' by summer or fall of '88.
I'll try to get more info as it becomes available...
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Future contacts will include:
Microsoft - re: DOS and PS/2 OS's
Softguard Systems - protection at it's worst..
IBM - what about support to us older guys?
<END>norm@ontenv.UUCP (Norman Soley) (12/28/87)
I think this group is an approriate place for this newsletter but
considering it's length I would suggest that you post future
newsletters in digest format, it makes it much easier for the reader.
Also the continued use of fancy graphics and a page headers and
footers will probably attract a few flames about wasted bandwidth.
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Norman Soley - Data Communications Analyst - Ontario Ministry of the Environment
UUCP: utzoo!lsuc!ncrcan!---\ VOICE: +1 416 323 2623
{utzoo,utgpu}!sickkids!ontenv!norm ENVOY: N.SOLEY
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