guardian@laidbak.UUCP (Harry Skelton) (12/22/87)
NOTICE: 1) This group is about to be moderated again. The control message will make it's rounds about Christmas. 2) IF YOU HAVE A DEBATE - KEEP IT OUT OF HERE. THIS IS FOR THE POSTING OF BINARIES. PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR DEBATES IN 'COMP.SYS.IBM.PC' !!! Harry Skelton - Moderator comp.binaries.ibm.pc
boneill@hawk.CS.ULowell.Edu (Debugger) (12/22/87)
In article <1289@laidbak.UUCP> guardian@laidbak.UUCP (Harry Skelton(E)) writes: >NOTICE: > >1) This group is about to be moderated again. The control message will make > it's rounds about Christmas. > >2) IF YOU HAVE A DEBATE - KEEP IT OUT OF HERE. THIS IS FOR THE POSTING OF > BINARIES. PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR DEBATES IN 'COMP.SYS.IBM.PC' !!! > > Harry Skelton - Moderator comp.binaries.ibm.pc Excuse me, but I thought this WAS comp.sys.ibm.pc!! ;^) ============================================================================ Brian O'Neill University of Lowell boneill@hawk.cs.ulowell.edu "There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute." Captain Jean-Luc Picard - ST:TNG "Justice"
davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr) (12/23/87)
In article <1289@laidbak.UUCP> guardian@laidbak.UUCP (Harry Skelton(E)) writes: | NOTICE: | | 1) This group is about to be moderated again. The control message will make | it's rounds about Christmas. Saywhat! Was this group ever moderated? And why was this this done without asking for opinion? I thought we were going to have binaries moderated. I rescind my vote. | 2) IF YOU HAVE A DEBATE - KEEP IT OUT OF HERE. THIS IS FOR THE POSTING OF | BINARIES. PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR DEBATES IN 'COMP.SYS.IBM.PC' !!! I don't understand... keep debate out of here but put it here? If this was April 1 I would understand. | | Harry Skelton - Moderator comp.binaries.ibm.pc If Harry is going to assume the right to moderate comp.sys.ibm.pc, too, I vote for alt.sys.ibm.pc. I see no reason for it, esp. without discussion. -- bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa) {uunet | philabs | seismo}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
jdp@pbhyf.UUCP (J. D. Pierce) (12/24/87)
I believe a mis-understanding may have happened here. I think Harry Skelton's message to comp.sys.ibm.pc was merely an FYI to this group. (Cross-posted) I do not believe he is advocating moderation of this newsgroup, only of the binaries group. Comp.sys.ibm.pc should not be a moderated group in any event, as it is a open forum for the discussion of a myriad of ibm-pc related topics. Just my $.02 worth. Jerry D. Pierce _____________________________________________________________________________ / \ | REAL PROGRAMMERS DONT'T draw flowcharts. Flowcharts are, after all, the | | illiterate's form of documentation. Cavemen drew flowcharts; look how | | much good it did them!! | \_____________________________________________________________________________/ Disclaimer: If they only knew what I knew... :-)
jtn3@bsu-cs.UUCP (Jim Nelson) (12/24/87)
In article <8303@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP>, davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr) writes: > In article <1289@laidbak.UUCP> guardian@laidbak.UUCP (Harry Skelton(E)) writes: > Saywhat! Was this group ever moderated? And why was this this done > without asking for opinion? I thought we were going to have binaries > moderated. I rescind my vote. That message was posted to (pay attention, kids, you're about to learn something) "COMP.BINARIES.IBM.PC". I even checked to make sure he hadn't cross posted to here. > I don't understand... keep debate out of here but put it here? If this > was April 1 I would understand. Ok, now that it's been explained, do you understand? Good, then I won't have to keep you after school today. > bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa) =========================================================================== Jim Nelson UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee,uunet}!bsu-cs!jtn3 ===========================================================================
hollen@corona.megatek.uucp (Dion Hollenbeck) (12/24/87)
In article <8303@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP> davidsen@crdos1.UUCP (bill davidsen) writes: >In article <1289@laidbak.UUCP> guardian@laidbak.UUCP (Harry Skelton(E)) writes: >| NOTICE: >| >| 1) This group is about to be moderated again. The control message will make >| it's rounds about Christmas. >Saywhat! Was this group ever moderated? And why was this this done >without asking for opinion? I thought we were going to have binaries >moderated. I rescind my vote. . . etc. . . >| Harry Skelton - Moderator comp.binaries.ibm.pc >If Harry is going to assume the right to moderate comp.sys.ibm.pc, too, >I vote for alt.sys.ibm.pc. I see no reason for it, esp. without >discussion. Bill - You (and many others from their comments) have gotten in on the middle of a discussion not understanding what went on before. The original posting refers to the group for binaries and this group was given a cross-posting for all those who subscribe here, but not to binaries. There was a month long "voting" process which "elected" Harry. The comments about discussion were specifically meant for the binaries group. (notice the moderator title specifically and only says "comp.binaries.ibm.pc"). Dion Hollenbeck (619) 455-5590 x2814 Megatek Corporation, 9645 Scranton Road, San Diego, CA 92121 ames!scubed! {sdcsvax,hplabs}!hp-sdd!megatek!hollen sdcsvax!esosun!
jpn@teddy.UUCP (John P. Nelson) (12/28/87)
> I believe a mis-understanding may have happened here. I think > Harry Skelton's message to comp.sys.ibm.pc was merely an FYI > to this group. (Cross-posted) The problem is that it was NOT cross posted, nor was a copy posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc! At least not when it arrived at THIS site! I think that the real problem is that some site has "alias"ed comp.binaries.ibm.pc to comp.sys.ibm.pc. In other words, articles from one group are getting moved over to the other group. I'm not sure, but I think this would cause the symptoms I have seen. Anyway, I think that it is this that is causing all the confusion. > I do not believe he is advocating moderation of this newsgroup, > only of the binaries group. I believe that this is correct.
brian@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM (Brian Onn) (12/30/87)
In article <1742@bsu-cs.UUCP> jtn3@bsu-cs.UUCP (Jim Nelson) writes: >In article <8303@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP>, davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr) writes: >> In article <1289@laidbak.UUCP> guardian@laidbak.UUCP (Harry Skelton(E)) writes: > >> Saywhat! Was this group ever moderated? And why was this this done >> without asking for opinion? I thought we were going to have binaries >> moderated. I rescind my vote. >That message was posted to (pay attention, kids, you're about to learn >something) "COMP.BINARIES.IBM.PC". I even checked to make sure he hadn't >cross posted to here. If it was never cross posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc, then how did it ever arrive here in the first place? I have not re-checked the original article, so cannot myself say where exactly it was posted to. I saw it first in comp.sys.ibm.pc, though, and obviously many others did. Brian. -- +-------------------+--------------------------------------------------------+ | Brian Onn | UUCP:..!{uunet!mnetor, watmath!utai}!lsuc!ncrcan!brian | | NCR Canada Ltd. | INTERNET: Brian.Onn@Toronto.NCR.COM | +-------------------+--------------------------------------------------------+
bobmon@iuvax.UUCP (Bobmon) (12/31/87)
brian@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM (Brian Onn) writes: >jtn3@bsu-cs.UUCP (Jim Nelson) writes: > >If it was never cross posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc, then how did it ever arrive >here in the first place? I have not re-checked the original article, so cannot >myself say where exactly it was posted to. I saw it first in comp.sys.ibm.pc, >though, and obviously many others did. It showed up here at IU on both groups at about the same time, and neither copy showed a crossposting to the other group in the Newsgroups: line (I saw it first in the binaries group, so I got curious and looked when it turned up here.) -bobmon
davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr) (01/05/88)
In article <1742@bsu-cs.UUCP> jtn3@bsu-cs.UUCP (Jim Nelson) writes: | That message was posted to (pay attention, kids, you're about to learn | something) "COMP.BINARIES.IBM.PC". I even checked to make sure he hadn't | cross posted to here. That's not correct. At this site the message was in comp.sys.ibm.pc. It started with something like "this group will soon be moderated" followed by a set of ground rules. | > I don't understand... keep debate out of here but put it here? If this | > was April 1 I would understand. | Ok, now that it's been explained, do you understand? Good, then I won't | have to keep you after school today. Again, the message was worded "... keep discussion out of this group and send it to comp.sys.ibm.pc." There would have been no confusion if (a) the message was no cross posted, and (b) the group name was used instead of "this group." -- bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa) {uunet | philabs | seismo}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
leonard@bucket.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) (01/07/88)
In article <8350@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP> davidsen@crdos1.UUCP (bill davidsen) writes: <In article <1742@bsu-cs.UUCP> jtn3@bsu-cs.UUCP (Jim Nelson) writes: <| That message was posted to (pay attention, kids, you're about to learn <| something) "COMP.BINARIES.IBM.PC". I even checked to make sure he hadn't <| cross posted to here. < <That's not correct. At this site the message was in comp.sys.ibm.pc. It <started with something like "this group will soon be moderated" followed <by a set of ground rules. <........ <Again, the message was worded "... keep discussion out of this group and <send it to comp.sys.ibm.pc." There would have been no confusion if (a) <the message was no cross posted, and (b) the group name was used instead <of "this group." Bill, as far as _I_ can tell the msg was _not_ cross-posted. When I saw it in comp.sys.ibm.pc, I _specificly_ checked the header to see if the msg was cross-posted. It was not. What appears to have happened is that the new moderator posted _two_seperate_ messages. One to comp.binaries.ibm.pc and one to comp.sys.ibm.pc. Would someone at a site where the originals haven't expired please check the message numbers _from_the_originating_system_? Then we can settle this once and for all. -- Leonard Erickson ...!tektronix!reed!percival!bucket!leonard CIS: [70465,203] "I used to be a hacker. Now I'm a 'microcomputer specialist'. You know... I'd rather be a hacker."
mdella@polyslo.UUCP (Marcos R. Della) (01/09/88)
What I have noticed and what I believe is that someone out there in net land managed to alias his comp.binaries.ibm.pc file over to comp.sys.ibm.pc as the moderator was taken out. From there, the message managed to propogate outland again in another news group. I have seen this happen before, but do not know if this is the case in this specific instance... Just something for someone else with time to go out and look for... -- ....!csustan ->!polyslo!caus-dp!marcos | marcos@caus-dp | Whatever I said doesn't ....!sdsu ---/ Lt. Marcos R. Della | mdella@polyslo | mean diddly as I forgot ....!csun --/ Smail:PO Box 8104 SLO,CA 93403-8104 / it even before finishing ....!dmsd -/ Tele: (805) 544-4900 / typing it all out!!! :-)
wnp@killer.UUCP (Wolf Paul) (01/10/88)
In article <981@polyslo.UUCP> mdella@polyslo.UUCP (Marcos Della) writes: >What I have noticed and what I believe is that someone out there in net >land managed to alias his comp.binaries.ibm.pc file over to comp.sys.ibm.pc >as the moderator was taken out. From there, the message managed to propogate >outland again in another news group. Since this sort of thing is possible, it is very advisable for everybody to go slow on their flames ... One of the things I have noticed in the two years that I have now been pariticipating in USENET is that everybody is so darn quick to flame whenever they disagree with something -- can't we disagree in a civil and polite manner, especially in an environment where you can never be sure that what you perceive is actually what the originator intended? Wolf Paul ihnp4!killer!wnp