[comp.sys.ibm.pc] Shareware legal at work

hardin@hpindda.HP.COM (John Hardin) (02/15/88)

Subject: use of PD and Shareware in a commercial environment

I've seen a lot of discussion of shareware and honesty on the net
recently, but I've been running into a problem that I have not
seen discussed that keeps money out of the hands of shareware
providers and keeps me from using their software.

My company has established rules for the use of software on PCs
that requires a master disc (i.e., the officially labeled
distribution discs that come with commercial software) for all
software on the PC.  I have been informed verbally that an
official registration number on something like company letterhead
stationary may suffice, but this is not in the written guidelines.
Any software that displays a copyright notice when run requires
such proof of legality.

PD software that prints a copyright is unusable at my site.  I have
noticed that it is not uncommon for PD software to be copyrighted by
the author, presumably for his/her own protection and to keep third
parties from turning it into their own commercial software.

Shareware that asks for a donation or that asks for the user to 
register, but returns no proof of registration, is also unusable.
Regardless of any money set to the author, the auditors will see
this as illegal/pirated software.

There are many more PCs used at work than at home.  If the policies
used where I work are (or become) widespread, then shareware
providers will have to get serious about their endeavor if they
want to realize significant returns.  Casting software onto the
waves in a bottle containing a request for money just won't do
it.  You'll have to provide master discs or some other proof of
registration to your customers and be prepared to deal with a
large company's purchasing department instead of the real user.

There are several shareware packages that I would register at work
next week if the author could satisfy our auditors.  As it is, 
I just can't use these packages at work.  

John Hardin
Hewlett Packard
Disclaimer:  I am representing myself here, not Hewlett Packard.
	     All opinions, mistakes, and misconceptions are my
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coulter@hpclisp.HP.COM (Michael Coulter) (02/17/88)

Try writing the authors of the shareware about your problem.  I suspect they
would be happy to send you suitable "proof of registration".  Most outfits
will also accept a stated amount of money and send you a disk.  This could
then be used as your "master" disk.

-- Michael Coulter, Hewlett-Packard, Computer Language Lab,   
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rgale@pnet01.cts.com (Ryan Gale) (02/17/88)

hardin@hpindda.HP.COM (John Hardin) writes:
> [stuff about corporate hassles with shareware deleted]

The authors I've dealt with have typically been most accommodating --
providing invoices, "officially labelled" diskettes, etc.  Granted that
my auditors may not be as nitty-gritty as John's, and granted that I've
made sure that checks (rather than POs) were issued -- even so, I've not
run into any hassles from either the authors or the accounting department.

Department _heads_, on the other hand...
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nwd@j.cc.purdue.edu (Daniel Lawrence) (02/17/88)

In article <4330033@hpindda.HP.COM> hardin@hpindda.HP.COM (John Hardin) writes:
>Subject: use of PD and Shareware in a commercial environment
>      .....
>There are several shareware packages that I would register at work
>next week if the author could satisfy our auditors.  As it is, 
>I just can't use these packages at work.  
>
I put a package which I restrict from comercial use.... and given the
proper registration from orginizations like yours I would happily send
along an official document sactioning it use. I don't see this as a
barrier to the use of software like this... you just need to get hold of
the package author. I think you will find most are happy to set you up.

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loafman@convexe.UUCP (02/18/88)

>My company has established rules for the use of software on PCs
>that requires a master disc (i.e., the officially labeled
>distribution discs that come with commercial software) for all
>software on the PC.  I have been informed verbally that an
>official registration number on something like company letterhead
>stationary may suffice, but this is not in the written guidelines.
>Any software that displays a copyright notice when run requires
>such proof of legality.

A great many Shareware authors will provide you with an official
looking disk, registration numbers, and so forth.  AutoMenu comes to
mind first on that list, followed by the ButtonWare products and
various other major players.  Every package I've registered so far has
at least provided me with a nicely labeled disk that looks quite
official, some with multi-colored logos, some just with printer
generated logos, none done by hand.  

With some shareware site licences the owner is provided with a set of
labels to make their own disks after customization is done.  Some of
the corporate accounts like to set up the various options in a
standard manner rather than letting each user do their own.

If that's not enough to satisfy the legal beagles then I suggest they
change the positioning of their head.  I've heard that such stretching
is hard on the back.

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hardin@hpindda.HP.COM (John Hardin) (02/20/88)

>I put a package which I restrict from comercial use.... and given the
>proper registration from orginizations like yours I would happily send
>along an official document sactioning it use. I don't see this as a
>barrier to the use of software like this... you just need to get hold of
>the package author. I think you will find most are happy to set you up.
>
>			Daniel Lawrence		
>----------

The above advice is certainly sound and I have, indeed, pursued some
shareware and PD software to this extent.  One of my insprirations
for the original posting, however, was a note from a shareware
author complaining that payback on shareware was poor.  The above
advice puts the burdon on me, the customer.  I must contact each
package author myself.  I'm not likely to do this for any but
the most mouth-watering packages.  After all, I just use the PC
as a workstation to aid my productivity in doing my own work.  I 
can't spend a lot of time setting up special arrangements with
shareware vendors.

I don't know how things are elsewhere, but the normal way I get
software at work is to: 

  1) Get informal permision from my boss for the order.
  2) Send electronic mail to our department secretary asking
     that a Purchase Order be sent to the Purchasing Dept.
     for the software.
  3) Wait for the software to arrive.

Ever tried to do anything unusual through a formal system like
this?  I get moans and groans every time I go to the secretary
with one of those upgrade offers requiring that top half of the
master disc or the title page from the manual be included with
the order.  I can order a $300 commercial package using only about
3 minutes of my time.  It can take an hour of explanations to
my secretary and Purchasing to pay for some $15 shareware, not
counting whatever time it takes me to set up special arrangments
with the author (no matter how well meaning and helpful that
author is).

The moral I am trying to convey is that if you want to distribute
shareware to the corporate environment, make it easy for your
potential customers.  Making it easy means making it look the
way commercial software looks to the the Purchasing Department.
Let me cut a P.O. and get back either a master disc or some
official looking paper with a registration number.

John Hardin
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