dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) (11/09/87)
I'll be happy to moderate comp.binaries.ibm.pc.
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Rahul Dhesi UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee,uunet}!bsu-cs!dhesimason@polya.STANFORD.EDU (Tony Mason) (03/10/88)
There has been an amazingly high number of requests for a moderator, yet the
volunteer responses have been low. Well, I've considered it for quite some
time and haven't found anyone to talk me out of this fit of insanity.
To remedy this regrettable situation I will formally volunteer for this post.
I believe I have access to sufficient resources, as Stanford can be reached
by those lucky enough to be on the internet, and can also be reached within a
single step from many backbone sites.
Of course, if someone else wishes to take upon themselves this task, I'm
perfectly willing to oblige. So, barring such, I would tentatively propose
that any discussion, pro or con, be sent to me (personally) and I will atempt
to carry on a rational discussion. If there is no "significant" objection, I
would close discussion at the end of March and contact the appropriate admin
sites.
I would consider a significant objection to be one that provided a rational
argument that I would not be able to serve the needs of this newsgroup. If
there is a dispute as to significance, I'm perfectly willing to post and open
it to discussion.
Tony Mason
mason@polya.stanford.edu ({ucbvax,decwrl,labrea}!polya!mason)
Please do not send to any other account(s). That will help keep the
discussion "organized."gsk@khaki.SGI.COM (George S. Kong) (03/11/88)
over the last few weeks, i've seen at least 3 people
volunteer to moderate comp.binaries.ibm.pc.
my understanding is that readers of the group are to
choose the moderator by voting.
since i don't know any of the volunteers personally,
i would vote for the one who offers to perform the
most services. the following are some of the services
a moderator could provide:
- screening out non-binary postings
- re-packaging submissions into a standard format
- testing software on one or more kinds of hardware
- screening out pirated material
- checking for "trojan horse" and "virus" programs
- archiving
for those who have volunteered, it would be helpful for the
rest of us to know what you intend to do as moderator.
George S. Kong, Silicon Graphics, Inc., (415)962-3281
gsk@sgi.com
...{decwrl,allegra,sun,adobe,ucbvax,pyramid,ames}!sgi!gskjpn@teddy.UUCP (John P. Nelson) (03/12/88)
>for those who have volunteered, it would be helpful for the rest of us >to know what you intend to do as moderator [of comp.binaries.ibm.pc]. If elected moderator, I promise to: 1. Be rude to anyone attempting to post non-binaries. 2. Be rude to anyone posting binaries in a nonstandard format. 3. Be rude to anyone posting software with a Copyright notice in it. 4. Be rude to anyone asking for copies of previously posted software (I haven't got disk storage for archives). 5. Be ESPECIALLY rude to anyone posting a virus or trojan program that trashes my hard disk. I suppose that disqualifies me, huh? :-) - john nelson
davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr) (03/12/88)
I'm not sure that a moderator SHOULD keep all non-postings out of this
group, given that the is no .d group, and some site wouldn't carry it if
there were. What a moderator could do is to digestify the non-binary
posting, and send out periodic requests (preferably just a list, rather
than the text of the posting), bug lists with fixes, etc.
Things which have no relevance to the group, such as the discussion of
MEAN18, could be digested and posted anywhere else. After the one note
saying that it was a pirate copy, what more is directly pertinent. This
is as thrilling as the "shareware - bah humbug" discussion in bim.pc
group.
If a moderator did even the slightest work by posting things in even
reasonably good format, I would be happy. I don't care who does it, but
we have had our thumb in our fundaments for a long time.
PROPOSAL: let anyone who wants to be moderator send me his/her net
address and as much information as will fit on one screen about how the
job should be done, and anything else. I will post a message consisting
of all of the applications (if I get any) on March 25th, and accept
votes until April 8th, at which time I will post the results to the net.
After that I will wash my hands of the whole thing.
My major qualification for this is that no one else is doing anything
but complain. I'm not sure that this will help, but at least we can see
if anyone cares.
Send your resumes to my signature, please, return paths don't return.
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bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa)
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"Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -mebobmon@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu ([bob, mon]) (03/12/88)
In article <4666@teddy.UUCP> jpn@teddy.UUCP (John P. Nelson) writes:
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- If elected moderator, I promise to:
What we need is a promise to remain in existence :-(guardian@laidbak.UUCP (Harry Skelton) (03/12/88)
The following is a message that was between me and another guy. I'd thought it would clear the air! ----- [Begin] Date: Mon, 1 Feb 88 17:32:07 PST From: laidbak!ihnp4!ucbvax!janus.berkeley.edu!davidg (David Gaertner) To: laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: where's the moderator?!? >Date: Sun, 24 Jan 88 22:29:14 CST >From: Harry Skelton(E) <ihnp4!laidbak!guardian@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> I remember that name from somewhere... >To: cbosgd!janus!davidg >Subject: Re: where's the moderator?!? >Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc >In-Reply-To: <22715@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> >Organization: LAI Chicago > >Basiclly Dave, I fell off the face of the earth. I was released from LAI >and now looking for better futures. I did post a moderation of the group but >most sites ignored my posting and ended up with lots of confusion. I got >tired of mailing everyone and his mother that I was trying to control the >group but NO...such a**holes of the Unix realm felt that I was being a bit >too controling, to the point that I would verify software and check for trojans >and do things like debug the code to see if it was hacked. For a group that >prides itself to be protective of the software it creates, and scorns anyone >that has a version of software less that .00000001 from the latest version, I >see a lot of spoiled children at computer terminals. (And stupid children who like to see their name in lights.) This is extremely true. Have you taken it up with the net admin people? Since you've been "at rest", there's been a couple of real old versions of programs posted that drew garbage complaint postings, a ton of "Please repost xxx" and "I downloaded the program, but it won't run. What is wrong with it?" postings, etc... That's what a moderator is there for... >This is not to flame you but I hoped to protect everyone from law suites and >problems with software before hand. I talked to AT&T, LAI and other Co.'s that >had problems with a moderator of 'PC' software that was to be transmitted over >AT&T computers and such, and the word from the mount was to be verry careful. >Both AT&T and LAI got me in meetings that lasted hours and explained to me that >USENET and Unix in general was not a PC BBS playground for hackers and they had >lawers explain problems with the way I would handle it. No flame was even detected by me. I understand the position you are in. I hate lawyers... (my parents are lawyers, but still...) >Basiclly I got fed up with the lot and said 'shutdown'. Let's see them handle >the UofX's and other PC hackers downloading software in mass quantities. Your strategy is working - there are many people that agree that you need to come back. Now try to take advantage of that. >In short this is what I will still offer if everyone would shut up and give me >a sporting chance: > >TOTALLY verified software! No trojans and if the software causes major >problems then I can pass the signed sheet to the co. that is suffering and >they can sue the living daylights out of the guy. What signed sheet? And why does AT&T have a problem with this? Shouldn't all PD software come with a "no warranty is expressed or implied"-type message? >Updates to the software. I will spend my $$$ to get updates that can be >posted and of course, verified. > >MS-DOS upgrades - I was working on a new version of Dos that would be like >a BSD system and would be MKS compatable. Due to my misfortune with LAI >I have to wait till I get settled before I continue it. BDos 2.0 (4.0 ms >equiv.). (1.0 is beta and my current version, still have problem with >progs that were running under 1.0 but I may scratch my code and say that >you must be 3.1 compat to run under my dos.) Sounds great! Can I help you out with writing or testing this one? I've not gotten used to the ksh in MKS. I want my csh! >Lots of other stuff. > >Again, keep in mind that I was being nice about the whole thing but MaBell >and LAI had massive attacks of the 'Software Arrest' and really put some >BIG presure on me to not moderatate the PC binaries. Fuck 'em. >I hope that no other moderator has as much problems as I have with being >a moderator. Not from the point of the net flaming you but having your >boss and thensome take a stab at you. I hope so, too. >The message above is my own and does not reflect LAI or AT&T options in >anyway. I thank LAI for their support in this matter and thumb my nose >at AT&T. Good Luck, and keep me posted on how things are going with moderation and your BSD. David Gaertner ---- [end ] Now mind you, I was working for LAI, which was and still is a great company to work for. I feel LAI took a stand as they should have but I received A LOT of flack from employees of LAI (not management) and from AT&T in general. Now that I have a full blown UUPC (my version w/mailer, news, uucp, uuto, etc...) I can begin where I left off. The votes are up to you.... P.S. The address from which this is posted is about to change in about two days so e-mail may not work! @@@@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@ @@ @@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@@:::@@@ :@@@@@@@ :@@ :@@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@@ :@@@ :@@@@@@@ :@@ :@@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@@ ::: :@@@@@@@ :@@ :@@@@ Harry "Bear" Skelton :@@@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@@ @@@@@@ :@@@@@@@@@@@@ :@@@@ Dalton, Georgia, USA :@@@@@ :@@@@@ :@@@@@@:@@@@@@ :@@@@@@@:::@@ :@@@@ 30720 :@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :@@@@@@:::@@: :@@@@@@@ :@@ :@@@@ ...!ugh!bear ::@@@@@@@@@@@@ :@@@@@@ :@@ :@@@@@@@ :@@ :::: (no Toto...I'm not on ::@@@@@@@@:@@ :@@@@@@@@@ :@@@@@@@ :@@ @@@@ the maps yet.......) ::::::::: :: :::::::: :::::: :: ::::
pervect@bsu-cs.UUCP (Barrett Kreiner) (03/12/88)
In article <4666@teddy.UUCP>, jpn@teddy.UUCP (John P. Nelson) writes: !! stuff deleted!! >.. if elected moderator, I promise to.. > 3. Be rude to anyone posting software with a Copyright notice in it. Well, Um gee guy, that lets out ALL people who write with the Turbo family, and just about anyone who wants to say "that's my work". Now, while you could go with other compilers, lets just be on the safe side. Now, What have we got? No Turbo family No Compiled Programs No source code (who would post without copyrights in the source?) That leaves.. BASIC programs!! AUUGHH! Ich Pooh BLAH! Oh Please, Won't SOMEONE help us in our time of need??? |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Barrett Kreiner UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee,uunet}!bsu-cs!pervect | | software tech, (promotion)|-----------------------------------------------| | Ball State U. Muncie, IN | "I'll tell ya kid, the main problem with | |---------------------------| Pervish food is keeping the goo from crawling | | out of the bowl while you're eating it"| TOON: THE game for modern times | | CGA: Cute Greenback Accumulator EGA: ENHANCED Greenback Accumulator | | Disclamer: "I don't know them! I'm a student, nobody listens to ME!" | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
wnp@killer.UUCP (Wolf Paul) (03/12/88)
In article <4666@teddy.UUCP> jpn@teddy.UUCP (John P. Nelson) writes:
-> If elected moderator, I promise to:
->
-> 1. Be rude to anyone attempting to post non-binaries.
-> 2. Be rude to anyone posting binaries in a nonstandard format.
-> 3. Be rude to anyone posting software with a Copyright notice in it.
-> 4. Be rude to anyone asking for copies of previously posted software
-> (I haven't got disk storage for archives).
-> 5. Be ESPECIALLY rude to anyone posting a virus or trojan program
-> that trashes my hard disk.
->
-> I suppose that disqualifies me, huh? :-)
Actually, I think these promises indicate that you would be extremely well
qualified. You have my vote! :-)
Wolf Paul
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One Austrian's Opinion: Waldheim must go!walt@cooksys.UUCP (Walt Cooksey) (03/12/88)
VOTE NOT FOR MODERATOR. -- Walt Cooksey COOKSEY SYSTEMS, INC (404) 469-2321 gatech!dscatl!cooksys!walt CIS 76010,522 uunet!cooksys!walt
nather@ut-sally.UUCP (Ed Nather) (03/13/88)
I personally see no need for a moderator here. Everybody crabs about
including discussions in the group, but I assume they have an "n" key on
their keyboard. In my experience, moderating a group reduces its usefullness
(to me) by a large factor. On checking, I find that I have unsubscribed to
every group on which a moderator has been imposed. I expect to do so with
this group should it happen here.
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Ed Nather
Astronomy Dept, U of Texas @ Austin
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nather@astro.AS.UTEXAS.EDUrandy@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Randy Orrison) (03/14/88)
This is my vote for Harry Skelton for moderator of comp.binaries.ibm.pc.
Long live the moderator!
(apologies for posting this here. If someone is counting votes and needs it
mailed to them, just let me know!)
-randy
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(Applications currently being taken: short text, for last line of .sig)dick@slvblc.UUCP (Dick Flanagan) (03/14/88)
In article <98@cooksys.UUCP> walt@cooksys.UUCP (Walt Cooksey) writes: > > VOTE NOT FOR MODERATOR. Okay, I won't. -- Dick Flanagan, W6OLD GEnie: FLANAGAN UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucscc!slvblc!dick Voice: +1 408 336 3481 Internet: slvblc!dick@ucscc.UCSC.EDU LORAN: N037 04.7 W122 04.6 USPO: PO Box 155, Ben Lomond, CA 95005 -- Dick Flanagan, W6OLD GEnie: FLANAGAN UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucscc!slvblc!dick Voice: +1 408 336 3481 Internet: slvblc!dick@ucscc.UCSC.EDU LORAN: N037 04.7 W122 04.6 USPO: PO Box 155, Ben Lomond, CA 95005
schung@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen the Greatest) (03/14/88)
In article <3662@killer.UUCP> wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf Paul) writes: > >Actually, I think these promises indicate that you would be extremely well >qualified. You have my vote! :-) > My vote too. The only thing that I dislike is the Copyright rule. I guess it is ok for the author to copyright his stuff. - Stephen
davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr) (03/15/88)
In article <4666@teddy.UUCP> jpn@teddy.UUCP (John P. Nelson) writes: >>for those who have volunteered, it would be helpful for the rest of us >>to know what you intend to do as moderator [of comp.binaries.ibm.pc]. > > If elected moderator, I promise to: > >1. Be rude to anyone attempting to post non-binaries. It certainly would be more effective to vector them to a binaries.d group if they are error reports or legitimate discussion of posting policies. Of course a useful moderator could mail or repost as needed when things get garbled, but it's not as fun as being rude. >2. Be rude to anyone posting binaries in a nonstandard format. I don't see that a standard beyond having a reasonable message telling what the program does and the binary is needed. I see no reason to disallow ARC, self unpacking ARC, ZOO, self unpacking ZOO, or PKARC, although using ARC or ZOO as a recomendation would be desirable, since those format can be unpack on UNIX so that the documentation can be listed/read. The object of the moderator is to protect against blatent abuses, not to eliminate postings of useful and legitimate programs which are not packaged to his liking. I don't feel that we really need explicit standards of what is "aesthetically pleasing." >3. Be rude to anyone posting software with a Copyright notice in it. Scratch things written in Turbo and older version of MSC. And heaven forbid that an author might want credit for the work he's making available to the public. >4. Be rude to anyone asking for copies of previously posted software > (I haven't got disk storage for archives). In my book that *totally* disqualifies you. >5. Be ESPECIALLY rude to anyone posting a virus or trojan program > that trashes my hard disk. No problem with that. ================ My opinion is that this person does not have the qualifications to be moderator. He can't offer archives, no repost or mailing, he won't allow copyrighted software, he has said nothing directly about pirated software, as long as it doesn't contain a copyright when he gets this. I see no past history of running a newsgroup or BBS, and I believe that item five indicates that he lacks a spare system for testing, and would have to risk his "live" disk to do so. That's bound to make anyone a little gunshy. I see no information about his net connections, save that he's on a node with little disk available (to him). I guess with all of the better qualified moderators out there I would say "thanks for the offer," but let someone better qualified do it. We don't need a moderator to be rude, without one we can get *lots* of rude postings, even to people who don't deserve it. It's a generous offer, but I have the feeling that it is made with inadequate resources and experience, and perhaps a more hostile attitude than is needed. -- bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa) {uunet | philabs | seismo}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
pcm@iwarpo3.intel.com (Phil C. Miller) (03/15/88)
If this is actually coming down to a vote, I vote YES, MODERATE. If I want to read somebody's idle chatter, I'll read comp.sys.ibm.pc, which incidentally, has become so cluttered with chatter that it's almost impossible to keep up with. In response to the comments that "n" will skip any article which is not of interest, it takes my system about 10 seconds or so to go on to the next article. This can eat up quite a bit of time. Phil Miller
syd@dsinc.UUCP (Syd Weinstein) (03/15/88)
In article <12576@sgi.SGI.COM>, gsk@khaki.SGI.COM (George S. Kong) writes: > > over the last few weeks, i've seen at least 3 people > volunteer to moderate comp.binaries.ibm.pc. > my understanding is that readers of the group are to > choose the moderator by voting. > > for those who have volunteered, it would be helpful for the > rest of us to know what you intend to do as moderator. I have submitted my abilities to philabs!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen as he requested in his message and I hope you will see it soon. Suffice it to say we are qualified and can provide all the services that were desired. I do feel moderation is necessary, if only to balance out the flow of items to prevent bunching and overflowing the disks of the smaller sites. As one of the early volunteers to moderate this group, I have been in discussion with the backbone on it and for a while I thought it was going to be setup. I hope after the vote we can get something setup relatively quickly. -- ===================================================================== Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP Datacomp Systems, Inc. Voice: (215) 947-9900 {allegra,bellcore,bpa,vu-vlsi}!dsinc!syd FAX: (215) 938-0235
tlhingan@unsvax.UUCP (Eugene Tramaglino) (03/15/88)
I vote for Rahul as moderator, if there is to be one. "Oh, don't ask why, oh, don't ask why."
wnp@killer.UUCP (Wolf Paul) (03/16/88)
In article <1493@pasteur.Berkeley.Edu> schung@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Stephen the Greatest) writes: >In article <3662@killer.UUCP> wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf Paul) writes: >>Actually, I think these promises indicate that you would be extremely well >>qualified. You have my vote! :-) > > My vote too. The only thing that I dislike is the Copyright > rule. I guess it is ok for the author to copyright his stuff. I understood this to mean "Copyright notices without free distribution provision", and of course, in reply to another poster, "Copyright notices not generated by a compiler or runtime library". I'm sure no-one intends to exclude Turbo-compiled or MS compiled programs just because they include the compiler copyright notice. I always try to interpret what people say or write in the light of what is reasonable, not in light of what the most extreme possible meaning could be. -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: ihnp4!killer!dcs!wnp ESL: 62832882 INTERNET: wnp@EESDES.DAS.NET or wnp@dcs.UUCP TLX: 910-280-0585 EES PLANO UD One Austrian's Opinion: Waldheim must go!
twb@hoqax.UUCP (BEATTIE) (03/16/88)
In article <2133@polya.STANFORD.EDU>, mason@polya.STANFORD.EDU (Tony Mason) writes: > There has been an amazingly high number of requests for a moderator, yet the > volunteer responses have been low. Well, I've considered it for quite some > time and haven't found anyone to talk me out of this fit of insanity. > Tony Mason > mason@polya.stanford.edu ({ucbvax,decwrl,labrea}!polya!mason) I have tried several different paths and no machines seem to recognize 'polya' If Tony Mason is going to be a Moderator we are going to have to find a path that works reliably. Tom Beattie ihnp4!hoqaa!twb
gerard@tscs.UUCP (Stephen M. Gerard) (03/16/88)
In article <10705@ut-sally.UUCP> nather@ut-sally.UUCP (Ed Nather) writes: > >I personally see no need for a moderator here. Everybody crabs about >including discussions in the group, but I assume they have an "n" key on >their keyboard. This is NOT the point! Granted, if you were simply reading articles you can use the 'n' key to skip to the next article. If you are a system administrator and wish to archive binary files so that others may benefit from their existance, it is a great pain to eliminate the discussion and other unrelated articles from your archive. Having to resort to using a command such as 'find . -type f -size -5 -exec /bin/rm {} \;' to reduce the clutter will eliminate most of the *noise* but also might eliminate important bug fixes. Ideally, there should be four related groups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc Binary postings and documentation. comp.sources.ibm.pc Source code and documentation. comp.bin-src.ibm.pc.d Discussion and announcements of future releases of software to either the binary or source newsgroups. comp.sys.ibm.pc Discussion of ibm pc hardware and commercially available software. This group should not contain software and should consist of discussion and other question and answer related discussion. If there is not enough support for both a binary and source newsgroup, then the two could coexist in 'comp.binaries.ibm.pc'. Others have stated that the moderator should eliminate 'virus' software. I say that this is IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! Nobody without going to extreme amounts of work could possibly even come close to eliminating the danger of a 'virus'. There is no possible way that a moderator of any group could possibly test each and every piece of software that is mailed to him/her. The idea that the person who would be doing this *favor* for us out there would have to continually back-up and restore their machine is absurd. Then of course, if someone did volunteer for such a task, it would become a contest between the hacker and the moderator to see who could outsmart who. The real reason to have a moderator, in my opinion, is as follows: + Insure only binary or source postings + Offer a standardized format for such postings + Eliminate numerous repostings + Eliminate obvious Copyright infringements As I stated in a previous posting, a good header with useful information in a standardized format would be a great improvement. Computers, if nothing else are organized. Why should we toss software into a newsgroup in the same manner that we toss our socks into a drawer? :-) Let's get this thing going. For those seriously interested in becoming the moderator of this group. Post a message detailing your reasons for wanting to become the moderator. Please include how long you feel that you will be able to hold the position as well as the amount of time you are willing to donate to the cause. It also might be useful to include the name of the person or persons with the say so to approve you as moderator so that we may forward our wishes to the appropriate person(s). I will help in any way that I can, short of being the moderator, I just don't have that much time..... One last point. Does the discussion of a moderator belong in 'comp.binaries .ibm.pc'? I think for the moment it does. There are people who always read all of the articles in the binary group but do not always have time te read all of the articles in 'comp.sys.ibm.pc' before there machine expires them. I sometimes fall into this catagory, and I bet I'm not the only one. After all, we are talking about the future of this group, it only seems fair that it should be in this group as long as the group remains unmoderated. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen Gerard - Total Support Computer Systems - Tampa - (813) 876-5990 UUCP: ...{codas, gatech}!usfvax2!tscs!gerard US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida 33684-5395
vg55611@ihuxy.ATT.COM (Gopal) (03/16/88)
Moderation of comp.binaries.ibm.pc may stop some non-binary postings there, but won't it add a lot of postings to comp.sys.ibm.pc asking how to post to this group, who/where is the moderator etc. ? And won't some people go ahead and post binaries to comp.sys.ibm.pc instead of going to the trouble of posting to the moderator ? Just a question. Venu P Gopal ihnp4!ihuxy!vg55611
eggers@ndmath.UUCP (Mark Eggers) (03/16/88)
Folks,
At the risk of beating a dead horse . . . . .
I subscribe to comp.binaries.ibm.pc to obtain programs for PCs. Hopefully
some of these programs are useful not only to myself, but to the users
that I help.
I do not enjoy seeing the list taken over by discussions.
'nuff said.
/mde/dick@slvblc.UUCP (Dick Flanagan) (03/18/88)
In article <211@unsvax.UUCP> tlhingan@unsvax.UUCP (Eugene Tramaglino) writes: > I vote for Rahul as moderator, if there is to be one. Add my vote, too. Without moderation, comp.binaries.ibm.pc will soon become an unsubscribed orphan as more and more sites stop carrying it because of undesciplined and unorganized postings. Let's get it moderated so we can get back to business as usual. Rahul will do a good job. Follow-ups to comp.sys.ibm.pc, please. Dick -- Dick Flanagan, W6OLD GEnie: FLANAGAN UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucscc!slvblc!dick Voice: +1 408 336 3481 Internet: slvblc!dick@ucscc.UCSC.EDU LORAN: N037 04.7 W122 04.6 USPO: PO Box 155, Ben Lomond, CA 95005
simcha@humming.UUCP (Simcha Lerner) (03/23/88)
I too am concerned that moderation would remove too much from the timeliness of this newsgroup. I doubt that most moderators would have the time to do the amount of work needed just to check and route the average volume that comes through here, let alone do any of the truly ambitious tasks of checking for piracy, viruses, etc. What we DO need desperately is a comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d group to unclutter postings (like this one) that aren't binaries! simcha lerner my views are only my own, and sometimes not even that!