fulton@navion.dec.com (03/26/88)
Tim Iverson writes: >In article <23699@clyde.ATT.COM> feg@clyde.ATT.COM (Forrest Gehrke) writes: >> >>I vote for Rahul for moderator of BINARIES. >> >>I vote against his ZOO as the archiving program for two reasons,however. >> >>1) The SEA and PK versions of ARC are used by nearly every{BBS and >>most other nets in the country. 2) I, as many others, have dozens of >>floppies devoted to archives using SEA and PK ARC. > >Frankly, I don't see how this bears on the issue at hand: the choosing of an >archiver to be used as a standard in comp.binaries.ibm.pc. The fact is that >the great majority of people read news on machines for which zoo would be ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What statistics do you have to back this up? Remember, we're talking about comp.binaries.ibm.pc, not all newsgroups. >vastly superior to any form of arc. We are not talking about forming a >standard for BBS's (whom we don't care about anyway), we are talking about ^^ You must be using the royal "we," because I subscribe to comp.binaries.ibm.pc AND I care a LOT about BBS's! Exactly what is it about BBS's that disgusts you???? >forming a standard for *this* newsgroup. > >>ZOO is a fine idea, but unfortunately it is not a widespread standard. > >Again, so what? Were not talking about everywhere, just here. I see no >reason to allow people to whom this means nothing influence my decision on >this issue. > >>I understand that SEA's ARC has been ported to Unix and PK's ARC can >>turn off "squashing", so why not use ARC? > >You say it all in the next line: > >>Futhermore, there are probably many people on this net who don't >>even operate under Unix. > >Yes. Zoo is much, much more portable than arc. This is the reason >it should be the standard we choose. > >>Besides, the moderator should include in the posting a description >>of the program, what it is used for, and any special requirements >>(EGA, VGA, MS windows, utility to 123, etc.) With this information we >>can decide whether to download. > >Really? I almost invariably read the man page and readme files of >a posting to comp.sources.unix before grabbing the goods. Rich Salz >does a good job, but no moderator has the time to describe a package >in as great a detail as the author. The same would be the case here. > >>Forrest Gehrke > > >- Tim Iverson > iverson@cory.Berkeley.EDU > ucbvax!cory!iverson I work in an environment with the following OS's: MS-DOS, VMS, BSD Unix, and sys5 Unix. I know of nobody who uses ZOO on any of these systems. On MS-DOS, ARC (several different flavors) is used. On Unix and VMS (for compressed files that are targeted for MS-DOS machines) a utility is used that deARCs ARC files. I would think that MS-DOS, VMS, and Unix cover the vast majority of OS's that receive comp.binaries.ibm.pc (no, I don't have any stats, but I am hard pressed to imagine what other OS's would receive a significant portion of the usenet). I also happen to know that ARC runs on other machines as well: Amiga and Atari ST for two. So what's the reason behind the big push for ZOO? uucp: ...decwrl!comet.dec.com!fulton ARPA: fulton@comet.dec.com
mgardi@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (M.Gardi - ICR) (03/30/88)
I think one of the best things about Zoo is that it can be used by anyone (no charge). PKArc and Arc both involve a registration fee or is everyone ignoring it? Bruce Wilson ....watmath!watdcsu!mgardi
adonis@tahoe.unr.edu (Derrick Hamner) (04/05/88)
In article <4585@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> mgardi@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (M.Gardi - ICR) writes: >I think one of the best things about Zoo is that it can be used >by anyone (no charge). > >PKArc and Arc both involve a registration fee or is everyone ignoring >it? > >Bruce Wilson >....watmath!watdcsu!mgardi This isn't quite true. I have directly copied part of a page from the PKarc documentation. ---START QUOTE--- PKARC FAST! Archive Create/Update Utility Version 3.5 04-27-87 Page 19 License ------- Copyright (c) 1986,1987 PKWARE, Inc. All Rights Reserved. You are free to use, copy and distribute PKARC for noncommercial use IF: NO FEE IS CHARGED FOR USE, COPYING OR DISTRIBUTION. IT IS NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY. ---END QUOTE--- Therefore, no fee is required to use this package. However, the author does _request_ a contribution. ---START QUOTE--- If you find PKARC fast, easy, and convenient to use, a contribution of $20 would be appreciated. With each contribution of $45 or more you will be registered to receive a diskette with the next version of PKARC and PKXARC when available. Please state the current versions of PKARC and PKXARC that you have. Send contributions to: PKWARE, Inc. 7032 Ardara Avenue Glendale, WI 53209 ---END QUOTE--- -- A computer program does what you tell it to do, | Derrick Hamner not what you want it to do. | adonis@tahoe.unr.edu