doug@isishq.UUCP (Doug Thompson) (04/14/88)
I'm looking for feedback from the readers of this newsgroup. As many of you know, software has been developed which allows news to be shared between FidoNet and Usenet. From the Usenet side, the exchange is nearly invisible, and the only ways you can tell that a message has originated from a Fido system are the "Organization:" line and the .sig. FidoNet uses a very different method of preventing dupes and controlling topology in news dissemination. The software produces several lines, at the end of a news posting, that look something like this: ------------------ (cut here) -------------- -- Confmail v. 3.2 * Origin: Such and So BBS Anywhere Planet Earth (Opus 2:999/999) SEENBY 999/400 300 200 240/348 632 ----------------- (cut here) --------------- Some people in Usenet have expressed annoyance at this "non-standard" message tail. Others have pointed out that its size is considerably less than that of most .sigs and that there is actually useful information contained in it. This message will not have the "Opus" sig, even though it is being writeen on an Opus BBS because of some modficiations I've made to the software. However, it is not currently possible to offer two-way links to other FidoNet BBS systems without adding the "SEENBY" lines. I would like to offer this two way link, so I am posting this msg to do a straw poll. What do you think? Does the FidoNet message tail represent a sufficient annoyance to you that you feel messages containing it should be prevented from entering Usenet, or do you feel that it does not present a problem? Of course this sample is "non-scientific", but I'm trying to get a feel for the general opinion in the net to start with. The opinion of any system administrators who happen on this message would be especially valued. Background: ~~~~~~~~~~~ For those interested in technicalities, "Confmail" is shareware news processing software, "Opus" is simply one of many FidoNet compatible BBS/mailer software packages in the public domain, and the SEENBY lines reveal the systems with which the Originating system shares this particular newsgroup. The purpose of the seen-by line is to prevent messages getting to the same system twice. Preserving it through Usenet might be of potential use to FidoNet in preventing the generation of dupes. Right now the gateways are few enough, and far enough apart, that overlapping feeds are not much of a problem. That may not last. Finally, FidoNet is a rapidly growing network quite similar to Usenet in overal function. In December it had 2,000 nodes, today it has over 3,000. It is based on IBM PC/XT/AT compatibles, most of which run public BBSs as well as mailers. Public Domain software is available to set up a FidoNet BBS and mailer on any IBM or compatible with a Hayes-compatible modem and a hard disk. Like Usenet, it has several hundred newsgroups which are shared by many systems on six continents. For several years various groups have been working on ways to get uucp mail and Usenet news running on IBM microcomputers. Recently, in FidoNet, the software has been brought to the stage where integration between the two networks is technically easy; an operator of a FidoNet BBS can (if s/he can get a feed) make a selection of newsgroups and uucp/Internet mail easily available to users and other BBSs linked to the network. This introduces a number of potential problems, and the "SEENBY" issue may not be the most significant. However, it is the most visible, so it's the one I'm pursuing right now. Please reply by net-mail. I will post a summary of responses in a couple of weeks. The internet address is most likely to work: doug@isishq.math.waterloo.edu thanks Doug Thompson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fido 1:221/162 -- 1:221/0 280 Phillip St., UUCP: !watmath!isishq!doug Unit B-3-11 Waterloo, Ontario Bitnet: fido@water Canada N2L 3X1 Internet: doug@isishq.math.waterloo.edu (519) 746-5022 ------------------------------------------------------------------------