[comp.sys.ibm.pc] Fidonet <=> Usenet Gateways

doug@isishq.UUCP (Doug Thompson) (04/14/88)

 
 
I'm looking for feedback from the readers of this newsgroup. 
 
As many of you know, software has been developed which allows news to be 
shared between FidoNet and Usenet. From the Usenet side, the exchange is 
nearly invisible, and the only ways you can tell that a message  has 
originated from a Fido system are the "Organization:" line and the .sig. 
 
FidoNet uses a very different method of preventing dupes and controlling 
topology in news dissemination.  The software produces several lines, at 
the end of a news posting, that look something like this: 
 
------------------ (cut here) -------------- 
 
-- Confmail v. 3.2 
* Origin: Such and So BBS Anywhere Planet Earth (Opus 2:999/999) 
SEENBY 999/400 300 200 240/348 632 
  
 
----------------- (cut here) --------------- 
 
Some people in Usenet have expressed annoyance at this "non-standard" 
message tail. Others have pointed out that its size is considerably less 
than that of most .sigs and that there is actually useful information 
contained in it. 
 
This message will not have the "Opus" sig, even though it is being 
writeen on an Opus BBS because of some modficiations I've made to the 
software.  However, it is not currently possible to offer two-way links 
to other FidoNet BBS systems without adding the "SEENBY" lines.  I would 
like to offer this two way link, so I am posting this msg to do a straw 
poll.  What do you think? Does the FidoNet message tail represent a 
sufficient annoyance to you that you feel messages containing it should 
be prevented from entering Usenet, or do you feel that it does not 
present a problem? 
 
Of course this sample is "non-scientific", but I'm trying to get a feel 
for the general opinion in the net to start with. The opinion of any 
system administrators who happen on this message would be especially 
valued.  
 
Background: 
~~~~~~~~~~~ 
For those interested in technicalities, "Confmail" is shareware news 
processing software, "Opus" is simply one of many FidoNet compatible 
BBS/mailer software packages in the public domain, and the SEENBY lines 
reveal the systems with which the Originating system shares this 
particular newsgroup. The purpose of the seen-by line is to prevent 
messages getting to the same system twice. Preserving it through Usenet 
might be of potential use to FidoNet in preventing the generation of 
dupes. Right now the gateways are few enough, and far enough apart, that 
overlapping feeds are not much of a problem. That may not last. 
 
Finally, FidoNet is a rapidly growing network quite similar to Usenet in 
overal function. In December it had 2,000 nodes, today it has over 
3,000. It is based on IBM PC/XT/AT compatibles, most of which run public 
BBSs as well as mailers. Public Domain software is available to set up a 
FidoNet BBS and mailer on any IBM or compatible with a Hayes-compatible 
modem and a hard disk. Like Usenet, it has several hundred newsgroups 
which are shared by many systems on six continents. 
 
For several years various groups have been working on  ways to get uucp 
mail and Usenet news running on IBM microcomputers. Recently, in 
FidoNet, the software has been brought to the stage where integration 
between the two networks is technically easy; an operator of a 
FidoNet BBS can (if s/he can get a feed) make a selection of newsgroups 
and uucp/Internet mail easily available to users and other BBSs linked 
to the network.  
 
This introduces a number of potential problems, and the "SEENBY" issue 
may not be the most significant. However, it is the most visible, so 
it's the one I'm pursuing right now. 
 
Please reply by net-mail. I will post a summary of responses in a couple 
of weeks. The internet address is most likely to work: 
 
 doug@isishq.math.waterloo.edu 
 
thanks 
Doug Thompson 
 
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