[net.general] Digital Equipment Service

bhilden@druxj.UUCP (HildenbrandBE) (02/01/85)

I have posted this article to net.general because I would like
feedback from users of DEC equipment worldwide.  If this
is an innapropriate newsgroup I apologize in advance.

Having the unenviable job as machine coordinator for 6 of the
VAX 11/780s at the Denver AT&T site, I have been extremely 
frustrated by the high amount of downtime our
machines have been experiencing.  One VAX has been up less
than 50% of the time over the last 3 months.  These machines
are not extremely loaded(I know, I was a student at University
of Wisconsin and shared a VAX 11/780 with ~300 students).

There are many facets to this problem.  Our on-site DEC
service personnel are good at fixing most problems
however, when something out of the ordinary pops up
the real trouble begins.  The most common responses I
hear from our DEC Service personnel is "well, you are
running UNIX not VMS, our diagnostics don't run very
well on UNIX"  or "when a machine crashes running UNIX
it wipes out all the important registers so we can't
tell what happened"  or  "we ran the machine under VMS
and it didn't crash -- we don't know what to do next"
or  "the machine wouldn't have crashed if it had been running
VMS"  etc., etc.

I can't understand why DEC doesn't have diagnostics which
run under UNIX and give meaningful results, after all a 
portion of the community does run UNIX on their VAXs.

Secondly, DEC seems to be slow to escalate the problem if
a solution is not readily apparent to the personnel
on site.  Being a hacker of sorts I understand the old
shotgun approach to problem solving however, this method
is totally innapproriate when you have customers
waiting to use their computer.  If the service rep
says that the problem is either the VLSI Monitor or the
Memory Power Supply then they should replace both
right then and there(provided one is not a 10 minute job
and the other is a 10 hour job) and test the two parts at
their regional office to see which one was the problem
for future reference.  However, DEC seems to be reluctant
to do this, I understand the economic factors but, IBM
replaces the modules without hesitation(did they make
more money than DEC last year?).

As you can tell, I am pretty upset about the inability
of DEC to repair our machines in a reasonable time.
What I would like to know is this:

Is this problem pretty widespread and if so are there any
reasonable solutions?

		Bruce Hildenbrand
		ihnp4!druxj!bhilden
p.s. - I am not trying to come down hard on our on site
personnel this problem seems to be more of poor management
of real trouble situations rather than of o single person's
inability to do their job.