jgray@toad.pilchuck.Data-IO.COM (Jerry Late Nite Gray) (07/02/88)
In article <3355@bsu-cs.UUCP>, pervect@bsu-cs.UUCP (Barrett Kreiner) writes: > > All I do is watch these groups (and comp.sys.ibm.pc) and collect the > binaries. But I want to put my $.02 worth in. Binaries are MINOR net hogs. > I don't argue this. I personally get upset when things like PICNIX (and > update) get dumped on the system often. It makes more work for me, and the > last version came across our site with a corruption. > > BUT before you go condemning binaries as a group, look at a couple of facts. > ... Many words on waste elsewhere deleted > > All I'm saying is that the gripers should be looking in ALL places for > waste, not just (apparently) trying to single out comp.binaries. I'd like to give this man a pat on the back. Seems to me that far too many people are tend to loose their perspective on things like this. Though I aggree with some points made against shareware I don't aggree with slamming the binaries groups because of net bandwidth. I took a snapshot of the stuff on our system news directories which I will include for the sake of those who have spouted an opinion without bothering to look at thier own net traffic. I will qualify this stuff with the general question of whether or not other people on the net see similar levels of traffic. By the way, I understand that articles under the "comp" topics have a longer lifetime on our system than the other newsgroups. This info was generated with the "du" command and many of the really tiny non-"comp" group stuff was deleted. Kbytes Kbytes 2050 soc 278 comp/binaries/ibm 1280 sci 44 comp/binaries/apple2 1750 talk 2517 comp/binaries 1365 misc 454 comp/protocols 98 comp/misc 6 comp/compilers 586 comp/sys/ibm 93 comp/risks 10 comp/sys/nsc 3 comp/newprod 200 comp/sys/atari 9 comp/doc 52 comp/sys/hp 10 comp/society 232 comp/sys/apple 21 comp/fonts 714 comp/sys/amiga 104 comp/software-eng 802 comp/sys/mac 1 comp/theory 230 comp/sys/att 1 comp/ivideodisc 3 comp/sys/ti 71 comp/parallel 19 comp/sys/misc 20 comp/simulation 24 comp/sys/cbm 14982 comp 14 comp/sys/m6809 34 rec/misc 13 comp/sys/tandy 411 rec/autos 11 comp/sys/m68k 971 rec/music 11 comp/sys/intel 2106 rec/arts 66 comp/sys/dec 752 rec/games 1 comp/sys/masscomp 205 rec/audio 1 comp/sys/sequent 313 rec/ham-radio 1 comp/sys/workstations 511 rec/humor 27 comp/sys/apollo 47 rec/photo 70 comp/sys/sun 15 rec/puzzles 5 comp/sys/pyramid 642 rec/sport 2 comp/sys/ridge 105 rec/video 1 comp/sys/celerity 102 rec/motorcycles 17 comp/sys/transputer 204 rec/food 40 comp/sys/zenith 15 rec/nude 3 comp/sys/xerox 406 rec/aviation 14 comp/sys/proteon 112 rec/bicycles 3 comp/sys/encore 183 rec/travel 16 comp/sys/sgi 2 rec/skydiving 1 comp/sys/tahoe 63 rec/pets 3180 comp/sys 19 rec/woodworking 1360 comp/unix 12 rec/birds 444 comp/ai 22 rec/boats 11 comp/cog-eng 31 rec/gardens 237 comp/text 19 rec/scuba 261 comp/arch 17 rec/railroad 709 comp/lang 1 rec/mag 209 comp/graphics 67 rec/guns 45 comp/os/cpm 6 rec/equestrian 451 comp/os/minix 43 rec/models 837 comp/os/vms 31 rec/folk-dancing 1363 comp/os 7464 rec 746 comp/mail 1410 news 1921 comp/sources 34199 . 227 comp/emacs 48 comp/databases 31 comp/bugs 211 comp/dcom 40 comp/org 56 comp/periphs 73 comp/std 2 comp/lsi 14 comp/edu 423 comp/windows 723 comp/binaries/atari/st 723 comp/binaries/atari 822 comp/binaries/amiga 650 comp/binaries/mac 132 comp/binaries/ibm/pc/d 278 comp/binaries/ibm/pc A few things worth noting. All of the binaries make up about 7.4% of the total with only about 10% of that (0.7% of the total) for the IBM-PC. Note that the dreaded MacIntosh binaries are twice the size of the PC and the Amiga is even larger still (strange considering the size of the relative computer populations). Everything NOT under "news/comp/*" ammounts to about 56% of all network traffic. I propose that if we wan't to eliminate all of the useless (i.e. not contributing to advancement of school or work) traffic, we get rid of all of the non-computer related newsgroups. I submit for your approval that to rant an rave about net bandwidth wasted on potentially usefull binaries while saying nothing about postings on jokes, politics and religion indicates a rather preverse set of priorities. Flame me...... I don't care. I will just chuckle over the thought of someone wasting yet more bandwidth to refute this. I've a notion that the truely intelligent will remain silent anyway. --------------- Jerrold L. Gray UUCP:{ihnp4|caip|tektronix|ucbvax}!uw-beaver!tikal!pilchuck!jgray USNAIL: 10525 Willows Road N.E. /C-46 Redmond, Wa. 98052 (206) 881 - 6444 x470 Telex: 15-2167
diblanch@sdrc.UUCP (Jeff Blanchet) (07/07/88)
> that (0.7% of the total) for the IBM-PC. Note that the dreaded MacIntosh > binaries are twice the size of the PC and the Amiga is even larger still > (strange considering the size of the relative computer populations). > > Everything NOT under "news/comp/*" ammounts to about 56% of all network > traffic. > > I propose that if we wan't to eliminate all of the useless (i.e. not > contributing to advancement of school or work) traffic, we get rid of > all of the non-computer related newsgroups. I submit for your approval that > to rant an rave about net bandwidth wasted on potentially usefull binaries > while saying nothing about postings on jokes, politics and religion indicates > a rather preverse set of priorities. > > Flame me...... I don't care. I will just chuckle over the thought of someone > wasting yet more bandwidth to refute this. I've a notion that the truely > intelligent will remain silent anyway. > I agree 100% with the above!!!! It is ridiculous that everyone is complaining so much about this. We could start saving alot of space by not arguing over this. Let's just leave things the way the are. If a site doesn't want binaries then don't get it!!! You do not have to get everything!! I hope that all of this stupid arguing ends soon. I am tired of wading through so many articles to get to the ones I want to read. Didn't we just do this not too long ago with binaries?? What will be next?? Jeff Blanchet SDRC Cincinnati Ohio UUCP: uunet!sdrc!diblanch