car@pte.UUCP (Chris Rende) (07/29/88)
We have IBM PC compatibles which we use with our Unix System V release 2 system. We would like to find a terminal emulator package for the IBM PC which can work nicely with VI, curses, etc... The other important feature we need is for the emulator to display graphics from Unix programs. Perhaps a Tektronix emulator of sorts. (This may require 2 different emulators, one for use as a terminal, the other as a graphics display). Any information or experiences on products or source code would be greatly appreciated. car.
cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) (08/02/88)
I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia
University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?)
version appears to be v2.30, and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major com-
plaint) and TEK 4010 emulation. If you can create a VT102 termcap you should
be all set; personally I find that using the "standard" VT100 termcap with
v2.30 is a royal pain, and I prefer slightly EARLIER (v2.28 or before) versions
as they do the *best* VT100 emulation I've seen. They DON'T do graphics, how-
ever.
But what the heck, it seems to be FREE, at least no one has ever asked me to
pay for copies, in a University environment where such things are taken IN-
CREDIBLY seriously.
Good luck!
Chris Chiesa
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cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP sullivan@phyllis.math.binghamton.edu (fred sullivan) (08/02/88)
In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) writes: > >I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia >University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?) >version appears to be v2.30, and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major com- part 1 (of 9) of v2.31 appeared at this site today in comp/binaries.ibm.pc Fred Sullivan SUNY at Binghamton Dept. Math. Sciences Binghamton, NY 13903 sullivan@marge.math.binghamton.edu First you make a roux!
wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) (08/02/88)
In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) writes: > >I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia >University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?) >version appears to be v2.30, and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major com- ... I do have vt102 termcap and terminfo entries that work with both Kermit-MS v2.30 and my vt220 in vt102 mode. They even work on my UNIX-PC. If you want them I'll mail them to you. I also have entries for my CP/M Kaypro, if anyone is interested. Jeff Wieland wieland@ecn.purdue.edu
akk2@ur-tut (Atul Kacker) (08/02/88)
In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) writes: >I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia >University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?) >version appears to be v2.30, and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major com- >plaint) and TEK 4010 emulation. If you can create a VT102 termcap you should >be all set; personally I find that using the "standard" VT100 termcap with >v2.30 is a royal pain, and I prefer slightly EARLIER (v2.28 or before) versions >as they do the *best* VT100 emulation I've seen. They DON'T do graphics, how- >ever. I find it hard to believe that the VT100 emulation has deteriorated in the newer versions. How about some specific examples, Chris ? Why would you have a complaint about VT102 emulation ? Isn't VT102 a superset of VT100, with the added features of printer control ? I haven't had any problems using a VT100 termcap with Kermit 2.31 or 2.30 for that matter. Perhaps, your termcap isn't standard or complete ? Again, I'd really like to know just what VT100 feature has been dropped in going to the later versions. BTW, this is not intended to be a flame, just a loyal Kermit supporter who's curious. -- Atul Kacker | Internet: akk2@tut.cc.rochester.edu | UUCP: {ames,cmcl2,decvax,rutgers}!rochester!ur-tut!akk2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
len@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (Leonard P Levine) (08/03/88)
From article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP>, by cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa): > > I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia > University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?) > version appears to be v2.30, and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major com- > plaint) and TEK 4010 emulation. If you can create a VT102 termcap you should > be all set; personally I find that using the "standard" VT100 termcap with It is freeware, subject only to a small media charge. It is also currently being issued on the .bin board. Works real well too. + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | Leonard P. Levine e-mail len@evax.milw.wisc.edu | | Professor, Computer Science Office (414) 229-5170 | | University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Home (414) 962-4719 | | Milwaukee, WI 53201 U. S. A. Modem (414) 962-6228 | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) (08/03/88)
In article <1342@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu>, sullivan@phyllis.math.binghamton.edu (fred sullivan) writes: > In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) writes: > > > >I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia > >University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?) > >version appears to be v2.30, and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major com- > > part 1 (of 9) of v2.31 appeared at this site today in comp/binaries.ibm.pc > > Fred Sullivan SUNY at Binghamton > Dept. Math. Sciences Binghamton, NY 13903 > sullivan@marge.math.binghamton.edu Yes, I can confirm that - NOW; it's being sent from the very site at which I am located. I posted my original message about v2.30 early last evening, then later last night a friend here told me that our system administrator had received, and was posting to the Net in 9 parts (spaced eight hours apart), v2.31. The timing on this just wasn't what it should have been, I guess. -- UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee,uunet}!bsu-cs!cfchiesa cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP
spolsky@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Joel Spolsky) (08/03/88)
In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) writes: > >I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia >University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?) >version appears to be v2.30, 2.31 is out; it adds a great script language and some other improvements. >and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major complaint) and TEK 4010 >emulation. Don't complain. VT102 is a strict superset of VT100; the difference is that VT102 allows inserting and deleting characters in the middle of the line, which makes editors much easier to use at slow speeds. > If you can create a VT102 termcap you should >be all set; personally I find that using the "standard" VT100 termcap with >v2.30 is a royal pain, Use the "standard" vt200 termcap, which will allow enlightened programs to use the insert/delete character feature. I use kermit 2.31 with a vt200 termcap and emacs works perfectly. (emacs seems to know all about vt200's). Anyhow I don't know of anything VT200 supports that VT102 doesn't; maybe some arcane things like double-height half-letters and stuff but nobody uses those. >and I prefer slightly EARLIER (v2.28 or before) versions >as they do the *best* VT100 emulation I've seen. They DON'T do graphics, how- >ever. Thats weird. 2.28 didn't do VT100, only VT52 and Heath-19. I guess this goes to show that kermit is such a good program that its VT52 emulation beats other VT100 emulations :-) (But seriously, VT52 lacks highlighting, a serious limitation). > >But what the heck, it seems to be FREE, at least no one has ever asked me to >pay for copies, in a University environment where such things are taken IN- >CREDIBLY seriously. You can get it by ftping to cu20b.columbia.edu; write to me if you can't figure out how to do this. > Chris Chiesa Joel Spolsky Bell Communications Research spolsky@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ...!rutgers!bellcore!pyuxss!spolsky
pervect@bsu-cs.UUCP (Barrett Kreiner) (08/03/88)
HI!. I'm at least one of the friends Chris mentioned and would like to stick my nose in this one. In article <2358@ur-tut.UUCP>, akk2@ur-tut (Atul Kacker) writes: > In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs (Chris Chiesa) wrote > ** Stuff Chowed out ** > I find it hard to believe that the VT100 emulation has deteriorated in the > newer versions. How about some specific examples, Chris ? > > Why would you have a complaint about VT102 emulation ? Isn't VT102 a superset > of VT100, with the added features of printer control ? I haven't had any > problems using a VT100 termcap with Kermit 2.31 or 2.30 for that matter. > Perhaps, your termcap isn't standard or complete ? Again, I'd really like to > know just what VT100 feature has been dropped in going to the later versions. > > BTW, this is not intended to be a flame, just a loyal Kermit supporter who's > curious. No flame taken.. If Chris want's to argue, that's fine with me. I too am a loyal KERMIT user and Chris and I talked about this at some length the other night. I have had no problems with our termcaps and kermit on either of our systems, (VAX and Unix) but I don't use all of our editors/programs available, while Chris does. So if Chris said he found a problem, chances are it was real! If the NEW kermit hasn't corrected the problems, then I PERSONALLY think that the KERMIT 'development team' should listen to Chris! |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Barrett Kreiner UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee,uunet}!bsu-cs!pervect | |UN)official archiver IBM-PC|-----------------------------------------------| | Ball State U. Muncie, IN | "I'll tell ya kid, the main problem with | |---------------------------| Pervish food is keeping the goo from crawling | | out of the bowl while you're eating it"| TOON: THE game for modern times | | Disclamer: "I don't know them! I'm a student, nobody listens to ME!" | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
frotz@drivax.UUCP (Frotz) (08/04/88)
In article <2358@ur-tut.UUCP> akk2@tut.cc.rochester.edu.UUCP (Atul Kacker) writes: >Why would you have a complaint about VT102 emulation ? Isn't VT102 a superset >of VT100, with the added features of printer control ? I haven't had any >problems using a VT100 termcap with Kermit 2.31 or 2.30 for that matter. My experiences with vt102 emulation (on an QuadHPG in EGA mode) is that kermit sometimes switches into 43 line mode. (Thanks fine with me.) All attempts to clear the screen while in 43 line mode fail. >Perhaps, your termcap isn't standard or complete ? Again, I'd really like to >know just what VT100 feature has been dropped in going to the later versions. Since I connect to a 4.2BSD unix machine, I assume that my termcap is correct. Perhaps you could email/post a correct termcap to me/comp.sources.misc. >...just a loyal Kermit supporter... Me too. -- Frotz Digital Research, Incorporated amdahl!drivax!frotz 70 Garden Court, B10 (408) 649-3896 Monterey, California 93940 Ask for "John Fa'atuai"
brucer@gvgpsa.GVG.TEK.COM (Bruce Rayner) (08/04/88)
In article <2358@ur-tut.UUCP> akk2@tut.cc.rochester.edu.UUCP (Atul Kacker) writes: >In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) writes: >>v2.30 is a royal pain, and I prefer slightly EARLIER (v2.28 or before) versions >I find it hard to believe that the VT100 emulation has deteriorated in the >newer versions. How about some specific examples, Chris ? One thing that happened with the newer versions was a bug fix relating to highlighting and change of intensity. The older versions were nice and bright when you came out of reverse video. The newer ones correctly (but alas not as pleasing) go to "normal" video, which is rather dim. Hope this helps... Mitch hendrickson borrowing... brucer@gvgpsa
brown@nicmad.UUCP (Mr. Video) (08/05/88)
In article <3523@bsu-cs.UUCP> cfchiesa@bsu-cs.UUCP (Christopher Chiesa) writes:
<
<I suggest you look into the public-domain Kermit program(s) out of Columbia
<University (and widely available just about everywhere else). The current (?)
<version appears to be v2.30, and performs VT102 (NOT VT100; my major com-
<plaint) and TEK 4010 emulation. If you can create a VT102 termcap you should
<be all set; personally I find that using the "standard" VT100 termcap with
<v2.30 is a royal pain, and I prefer slightly EARLIER (v2.28 or before) versions
<as they do the *best* VT100 emulation I've seen. They DON'T do graphics, how-
<ever.
The VT102 termcap is nothing but a VT100 termcap with two new cursor motion
commands (for speed) added. So, if it supports VT102, it supports VT100.
By termcap, I also mean emulation. The reverse is true, ie, if you have a
terminal emulator that supports only VT100 and it gets one of the two VT102
cursor commands, you will have problems.
On my vax (4.3BSD) I was using the VT102 emulator as VT100 termcap, until
I fixed up the VT102 termcap entry, which was the VT100 with the two added
cursor commands.
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