[comp.sys.ibm.pc] Hands Off The Program?

bose@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (09/20/88)

There is a program advertized on the back of PCMag called:
"hands of the program".  It is a software based system that prevents
unauthorized access to the hard disk.  Does anyone have any experience with
this software?

johnl@ima.ima.isc.com (John R. Levine) (09/20/88)

In article <36300027@iuvax> bose@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu writes:
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>There is a program advertized on the back of PCMag called:
>"hands of the program".  It is a software based system that prevents
>unauthorized access to the hard disk.  Does anyone have any experience with
>this software?

I haven't seen this particular one, but programs like this for DOS are rarely
very useful. Some of them try to wrap code around various software interrupts
to disallow access to files that you aren't supposed to be able to change. If
you boot from your own floppy, though, you can wallop any file you want.
Sometimes they don't even wrap the low-level interrupts so a program like
Norton Utilities that uses the low level calls will bypass the protection.

Perhaps it fiddles the organization of the disk, or somehow scrambles or
encrypts data. In that case, as soon as the disk gets a little bit messed up
you lose, since neither chkdsk nor any of the disk doctor programs know
anything about the fiddled or scrambled format.

A good rule of thumb is that if a user has physical access to the data, he has
logical access. Generally, you have to depend on non-technical means to get
any meaningful protection. You can always use technical schemes to make it
hard to accidentally (or deliberately) tamper with data, but a determined user
with physical access to the hardware can defeat such schemes.
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mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow) (09/20/88)

Haven't used HandsOff, but have talked with them.  They said that an
unauthorized user could not boot from a floppy.

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spectre@cisunx.UUCP (Robert Sillett) (09/22/88)

In article <5364@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow) writes:
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>Haven't used HandsOff, but have talked with them.  They said that an
>unauthorized user could not boot from a floppy.
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A user can boot from a floppy, but can't access the hard disk.  It can
be broken by Norton Utilities and Norton Commander.