[comp.sys.ibm.pc] Magazine Distribution

keithe@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Keith Ericson) (09/20/88)

An article appeared detailing the problems with distributing the
equivalent of a magazine on floppy disk. I have no argument with the
points made therein.

But you might consider the potential of electronic distribution via
television or FM broadcast subcarrier.  You have your computer
connected to your FM or TV set which decodes the stuff, filters it
for you and has it stored, waiting for your perusal the next
morning. If you pay extra you can skip over the advertisements; on
the cheap you get ads included with the "useful" stuff.

This is not a new idea. The guy who started Dr. Dobbs'... presented
this - not for the first time - at the SOG in Bend last July (damned
if I can recall his name: but it will come to me as soon as I ship
this note off, I'm sure :-)).

I whould think newspaper publishers would be real nervous about this
if they're foresightful (huh?) enough to know about it.

keith

al@psivax.UUCP (Al Schwartz) (09/21/88)

In article <3961@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM> keithe@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Keith Ericson) writes:
>An article appeared detailing the problems with distributing the
>equivalent of a magazine on floppy disk. I have no argument with the
>points made therein.
>
>But you might consider the potential of electronic distribution via
>television or FM broadcast subcarrier.  You have your computer
>connected to your FM or TV set which decodes the stuff, filters it
>for you and has it stored, waiting for your perusal the next
>morning. If you pay extra you can skip over the advertisements; on
>the cheap you get ads included with the "useful" stuff.
>
>This is not a new idea. The guy who started Dr. Dobbs'... presented
>this - not for the first time - at the SOG in Bend last July (damned
>if I can recall his name: but it will come to me as soon as I ship
>this note off, I'm sure :-)).
>

His name is Jim Warren and his system is called "DataCast".

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wfp@dasys1.UUCP (William Phillips) (09/26/88)

In article <3961@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM> keithe@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Keith Ericson) writes:
|An article appeared detailing the problems with distributing the
|equivalent of a magazine on floppy disk. I have no argument with the
|points made therein.

|But you might consider the potential of electronic distribution via
|television or FM broadcast subcarrier.  You have your computer
|connected to your FM or TV set which decodes the stuff, filters it
|for you and has it stored, waiting for your perusal the next
|morning. If you pay extra you can skip over the advertisements; on
|the cheap you get ads included with the "useful" stuff.

|This is not a new idea. The guy who started Dr. Dobbs'... presented
|this - not for the first time - at the SOG in Bend last July (damned
|if I can recall his name: but it will come to me as soon as I ship
|this note off, I'm sure :-)).

|I whould think newspaper publishers would be real nervous about this
|if they're foresightful (huh?) enough to know about it.

I think this is essentially how Lotus Signal works, though I believe you
have to buy a special receiver as part of the package -- probably works
better than some haywire hookup to your FM set.  Signal is a stock
market quotation service.  I don't know what kind of coverage it has,
or even whether it still operates, but I didn't hear of any publishers
getting worried about it.  It would be interesting to know how much
data (text and graphics) such a system could move overnight.  Of course,
considering that many of us hackers are using our machines for other
things (like Usenet) till the wee hours, perhaps a daytime feed would be
more appropriate :-).  I wonder whether Signal operates 24 hours a day,
and if not, whether stations equipped to broadcast it would like to
generate some additional revenue by transmitting other stuff during off
hours.

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dorn@fabscal.UUCP (Alan Dorn Hetzel) (09/27/88)

I believe that Lotus Signal uses what is known as FM-Subcarrier transmission,
which means that their data is piggy-backed onto a broadcast FM stations
carrier in a means which prevents its interference with the audible (music)
portion of the signal.  This method results in fairly low baud rates, but
does give good coverage (roughly equal to the stations receivable area).

Some pagers also use this method, as well as a calculator sized radio based
stock ticker (sort the ultimate nerd-trader accessory)

Dorn

pozar@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Pozar) (09/27/88)

In article <6638@dasys1.UUCP> wfp@dasys1.UUCP (William Phillips) writes:
>In article <3961@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM> keithe@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Keith Ericson) writes:
>|But you might consider the potential of electronic distribution via
>|television or FM broadcast subcarrier.  You have your computer
>|connected to your FM or TV set which decodes the stuff, filters it
>|for you and has it stored, waiting for your perusal the next
>|morning. If you pay extra you can skip over the advertisements; on
>|the cheap you get ads included with the "useful" stuff.
>
>|This is not a new idea. The guy who started Dr. Dobbs'... presented
     Jim C. Warren Jr.??

>|this - not for the first time - at the SOG in Bend last July (damned
>|if I can recall his name: but it will come to me as soon as I ship
>|this note off, I'm sure :-)).
>
>|I whould think newspaper publishers would be real nervous about this
>|if they're foresightful (huh?) enough to know about it.
>
>I think this is essentially how Lotus Signal works, though I believe you
>have to buy a special receiver as part of the package -- probably works
>better than some haywire hookup to your FM set.  Signal is a stock
>market quotation service.  I don't know what kind of coverage it has,
>or even whether it still operates, but I didn't hear of any publishers
>getting worried about it.  It would be interesting to know how much
>data (text and graphics) such a system could move overnight.  Of course,
>considering that many of us hackers are using our machines for other
>things (like Usenet) till the wee hours, perhaps a daytime feed would be
>more appropriate :-).  I wonder whether Signal operates 24 hours a day,
>and if not, whether stations equipped to broadcast it would like to
>generate some additional revenue by transmitting other stuff during off
>hours.
>

    Signal is a FM subcarrier transmission system.  It has a
rougher time of getting clean data transmission than using the
Vertical Blanking Interval lines on a television station.  It
also has less coverage are (ussually).  The maxium b/s rates
that FM subcarriers will pass (per subcarrier) is ussally 9600
b/s.  I have seen 56,000 b/s transmission rates, but this method
takes up the whole subcarrier band.  
    Of what I've seen, Signal only runs while the New York Stock
Exchange is open.  It certainly could pass other data during the

"off" hours.  Signal has to pay monthly for subcarriers so the
meter is still running for them...
	   Tim

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